Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

Here we go again. The figures in Alberta show that more vaccinated than unvaccinated have tested positive and are in hospital. The reference I made to skewing was to show that I acknowledge that those, like you, that wish to avoid this fact, will likely make reference to the % of vaccinated versus the % of unvaccinated. I don't dispute that. You can do whatever you want to with the facts to support whatever argument you wish to make, but the facts are the facts. On pure numbers, the vaccinated are placing more of a burden upon the health system than the unvaccinated.



So what? If my auntie had bollocks she would be my uncle. The numbers clearly show that, in jurisdictions referred to above, there are more vaccinated than unvaccinated in hospital and, if my understanding is correct, it is those in hospital that are causing the burden upon healthcare.

Originally Posted by Shard

Great analogy

Originally Posted by Mordko

He is repeating post #5872.

Originally Posted by BristolUK

And on pure numbers sober drivers cause more car accidents than drunk drivers. Would you go round telling people that sober drivers place more of a burden on the emergency services than drunk ones?

Originally Posted by Shard

The "pure numbers" argument is irrelevant and refusing to look past unanalyzed data leads to uninformed opinions. For example, say the Alberta vaccination proportion was reversed, and the vast bulk of Albertans were unvaccinated, who do you think would be placing the burden on AHS? Hint: it would be the bulk of the population (not only because they are unvaccinated, but BECAUSE they are the bulk of the population). By using relative measures (percentages) we can better understand where the problem lies.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

Well, if the accidents involving sober drivers caused more people to require the emergency services than those involving drunk drivers, yes, as it would be factually correct, if I was so inclined to care about such matters. That doesn't mean that I believe that driving while drunk is a good thing, just as I believe that I am better off being vaccinated.

Originally Posted by BristolUK

Nice lawyer type answer.

So you can see that something that's factually correct but in overall context suggests a different picture- that driving drunk is not actually a good idea.

So when you keep banging on about numbers when there's an identical context in the drunk driving analogy, all you're doing is blaming the wrong group.

And as I said to you before, some people will seize upon that snippet of information (just as initially they seized on that bloke in the videos you posted) and start spreading 'the real truth' that getting vaccinated doesn't protect you - in fact it means you're more of a burden on the health services - and then the "just a hoax" crowd thrives even more.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

If you believe your drunk driving analogy works; I am pleased for you. However, that doesn't really deal with the arguments above, nor have I ever argued that driving drunk is a good thing.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

It is not irrelevant. Had any jurisdiction wished to argue for such a tax earlier in the pandemic, the numbers would have supported their argument that the unvaccinated are the ones placing a burden upon the health system. Unfortunately for their argument, that is not the case now so their argument fails, IMVHO.

In any case, our opinion really doesn't matter and any law that Quebec wishes to impose will have to be constitutional failing which it will, likely, be subject to legal challenge. I accept that, as Quebec tends to do, it will likely use the notwithstanding clause to bolster its position. However, for the reasons stated above, I can't see the justification for lumping all members of one group together. I accept that you may have a different view

Originally Posted by Mordko

There is a lack of understanding of some very basic mathematical concepts, such as probability. Like talking different languages.

It's a generic problem with the British schools system: they streamline too early and often produce mathematicians who cannot read or humanitarians who cannot count.

Originally Posted by Mordko

There is a lack of understanding of some very basic mathematical concepts, such as probability. Like talking different languages.

It's a generic problem with the British schools system: they streamline too early and often produce mathematicians who cannot read or humanitarians who cannot count.

Originally Posted by Shard

Omicron: not out of the woods yet.

​​​​​​https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...crons-severity