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Canada and Quebec? and the future
Canada and Quebec?
Presuming that nobody who chooses Canada to be his/her new home, nobody is interested in any independence debates of Quebec? Will there be a 3rd referendum? http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...ty-crisis-3-0/ |
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There will be an endless string of referenda.
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Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11159844)
There will be an endless string of referenda.
What bothers me personally is that as a naturalized Canadian who has chosen Canada as "his country" and "new home", these issues about separatism and uncertainty always start to come up. I never really liked the PQ, and am wondering who in his sound mind would ever vote for them. Independence for Quebec simply doesn't work since Quebec gets more than 3 times as much out of the equalization fund and Quebec's economy is weak. |
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Originally Posted by Cabbagetown
(Post 11159853)
I never really liked the PQ, and am wondering who in his sound mind would ever vote for them. |
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Why do people quote the National Post? If we were in the UK no one would start a political thread with a quote from the Beano.
"That means the tectonic plates underlying Canadian politics may be about to move, rather dramatically, after two decades of relative calm." "Let’s assume Marois wins big, jolting a bolt of electricity through the embalmed corpse of the independence movement, and setting in motion the mechanics of another referendum." It's gibberish. Random strings of text. Using the National Post as a source trivialises the issue intended to be the subject of the thread. |
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Originally Posted by Cabbagetown
(Post 11159853)
Yes, it's a not a referendum, it's a 'neverendum' nothing else.
What bothers me personally is that as a naturalized Canadian who has chosen Canada as "his country" and "new home", these issues about separatism and uncertainty always start to come up. I never really liked the PQ, and am wondering who in his sound mind would ever vote for them. Independence for Quebec simply doesn't work since Quebec gets more than 3 times as much out of the equalization fund and Quebec's economy is weak. |
Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
Originally Posted by Cabbagetown
(Post 11159853)
Yes, it's a not a referendum, it's a 'neverendum' nothing else.
What bothers me personally is that as a naturalized Canadian who has chosen Canada as "his country" and "new home", these issues about separatism and uncertainty always start to come up. I never really liked the PQ, and am wondering who in his sound mind would ever vote for them. Independence for Quebec simply doesn't work since Quebec gets more than 3 times as much out of the equalization fund and Quebec's economy is weak. |
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It's time to call Quebec's bluff. If they did separate they'd be bankrupt within a year.
Ever since i've been in Canada, the Quebec standard in politics has been modelled on the oliver twist "please can I have some more" attitude and it has to stop. If they went independant most of the businesses located there would probably decamp to other provinces(most have distribution but little/no manufacturing there). They'd lose billions in equalization payments and unemploment would shoot up as the federal Govt. offices closed. I think I read a stat some where that 40% of the QC working population has a govt related job. if 25% is Federal that would be a 10% rise in unemployment if all federal offices closed |
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Im still waiting for a PQ candidate to run in my area as Id vote for them but apparently they don't run candidates outside of Quebec.
We could rename this thread if Quebec goes do you care and it would get probably the same answers as the If the Scots go do you care thread. After listening to this for the last 26 years I DONT CARE. Actually if the PQ ran a candidate in Alberta I think they would win as most Albertans I think want Quebec gone so we don't have to keep dealing with this issue. Sign on to this Job Action Plan Quebec and we will give you another 155 million. |
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 11159987)
We could rename this thread if Quebec goes do you care and it would get probably the same answers as the If the Scots go do you care thread.
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Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11159870)
It doesn't much matter what we think. We've all arrived since the uncertainty hung over the Quebec issue so, whatever the Canadians decide to do with their country should come as no surprise to us. It's not really any of our business.
I am not happy with the rhetoric and that endless demagoguery by the PQ, let alone that a solid business plan is missing. Most of it is probably rhetoric and winning the masses for the PQ's gain, however, Quebec should focus more about the economy and jobs than anything else. The fact that a Quebec under PQ rule is always "asking" and not "contributing" would make them almost certainly bankrupt within one year, if they were an independent country. Furthermore the number of employees in the federal public sector seems to be higher, these jobs will also go, once independent. In my opinion, independence doesn't work. |
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Originally Posted by Cabbagetown
(Post 11160172)
In my opinion, independence doesn't work.
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Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11159870)
It doesn't much matter what we think. We've all arrived since the uncertainty hung over the Quebec issue so, whatever the Canadians decide to do with their country should come as no surprise to us. It's not really any of our business.
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 11159987)
We could rename this thread if Quebec goes do you care and it would get probably the same answers as the If the Scots go do you care thread.
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 11160195)
+1 to dbd33's point. To FL: yes but wouldn't it be fairer if the "do you care" question was posted in the British forum on polishexpats.com?
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 11160205)
Not really as polishexpats.com doesn't exist doing a google search :lol:
By the way, did you google in Polish? Try Polskibylipatriotami.pl |
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don't care
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Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 11160212)
That's not exactly relevant to ...
Never mind. Have sussed it (with a bit of BE assistance). Bob "over-rated" Dylan is the word. |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11160263)
What's with the new signature line quotation? Who made that up?
Never mind. Have sussed it (with a bit of BE assistance). Bob "over-rated" Dylan is the word. As I said on the BE-assited thread you may have read, it just seemed appropriate given the nonsense better-dead-than-red crap going on at the moment. I think I'll change it to something else when I have a moment. |
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See: Re Secession of Quebec [1993]
Unlike Scotland, the Supremes in Canada have confirmed that due to the Constitution, Quebec cannot unilaterally (legally) separate from the federation of Canada, so its all a moot point. Someone should remind the noisemakers. |
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Originally Posted by FirstRatofftheShipUK
(Post 11160472)
See: Re Secession of Quebec [1993]
Unlike Scotland, the Supremes in Canada have confirmed that due to the Constitution, Quebec cannot unilaterally (legally) separate from the federation of Canada, so its all a moot point. Someone should remind the noisemakers. |
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Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 11161025)
Quebec didn't sign the Constitution.
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Originally Posted by orly
(Post 11161055)
They weren't required to.
In an ideal world, we'll end up with another minority government, which means that nobody can do anything dramatic. |
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I dont care what Quebec does, stay or go, either way is fine with me.
Never been there, but have had the pleasure of dealing with companies there through work, and its never been a pleasant experience. |
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 11160429)
God. You guys have no background in Dylan-ness. The man was the poet laureate of the Days Of My Youf and should in addition get the Nobel Literature Prize one day soon.
As I said on the BE-assited thread you may have read, it just seemed appropriate given the nonsense better-dead-than-red crap going on at the moment. I think I'll change it to something else when I have a moment. |
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 11161213)
I dont care what Quebec does, stay or go, either way is fine with me.
Never been there, but have had the pleasure of dealing with companies there through work, and its never been a pleasant experience. Professionally, they're professional or not to the same degree as people everywhere else I've worked. |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11161227)
I deal with people who are in Quebec most days. Sometimes I visit them there or they come here. Compared with the cradles here I'd say the men are thinner and better dressed though a little close to metrosexuality for my tastes. The women have multiple hairstyles, well not on the same head, but in a room with multiple women it's discernable that some have long hair, some short; they don't all have the generic haircut standard on the cradle women of Ontario. They're all either bilingual or competent in written English to a standard adequate to write for the National Post; just a few degrees below fluent.
Professionally, they're professional or not to the same degree as people everywhere else I've worked. |
Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 11161213)
I dont care what Quebec does, stay or go, either way is fine with me.
Never been there, but have had the pleasure of dealing with companies there through work, and its never been a pleasant experience. |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11161232)
Nope, no idea on the signature.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11161237)
I've joined the celebration of America's Greatest Living Lyricist.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11161227)
I deal with people who are in Quebec most days. Sometimes I visit them there or they come here. Compared with the cradles here I'd say the men are thinner and better dressed though a little close to metrosexuality for my tastes. The women have multiple hairstyles, well not on the same head, but in a room with multiple women it's discernable that some have long hair, some short; they don't all have the generic haircut standard on the cradle women of Ontario. They're all either bilingual or competent in written English to a standard adequate to write for the National Post; just a few degrees below fluent.
Professionally, they're professional or not to the same degree as people everywhere else I've worked. |
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Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 11161265)
You forgot about the hips. Unlike their Ontarian counterparts, Quebec girls generally don't look like they are wearing jodhpurs.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11161272)
I don't look at them below the shoulders, I've retired from all of that.
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11161237)
I've joined the celebration of America's Greatest Living Lyricist.
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11161435)
Oh him again. Fail to see his greatness. Any really good examples? I know Steve Jobs was a big fan of Dylan so I don't totally doubt his reputation, it's just that I can't think of anything he's written which is poetic.
How many roads must a man walk down Before you call him a man? How many seas must a white dove sail Before she sleeps in the sand? Yes, how many times must the cannon balls fly Before they're forever banned? The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind The answer is blowin' in the wind. |
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If that's a little saccharine, there's this:
Go lightly from the ledge, babe Go lightly on the ground I'm not the one you want, babe I will only let your down You say you're lookin' for someone Who will promise never to part Someone to close his eyes for you Someone to close his heart Someone who will die for you an' more But it ain't me, babe No, no, no, it ain't me babe It ain't me you're lookin' for, babe. |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11161462)
When I want an authority on poetry I too turn to dead computer salesmen.
How many roads must a man walk down Before you call him a man? How many seas must a white dove sail Before she sleeps in the sand? Yes, how many times must the cannon balls fly Before they're forever banned? The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind The answer is blowin' in the wind. Besides, nothing wrong with being dead. That's not a bad little ditty, though hardly poetry. |
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One of my favourites:
Shadows are falling and I’ve been here all day It’s too hot to sleep, time is running away Feel like my soul has turned into steel I’ve still got the scars that the sun didn’t heal There’s not even room enough to be anywhere It’s not dark yet, but it’s getting there Well, my sense of humanity has gone down the drain Behind every beautiful thing there’s been some kind of pain She wrote me a letter and she wrote it so kind She put down in writing what was in her mind I just don’t see why I should even care It’s not dark yet, but it’s getting there Well, I’ve been to London and I’ve been to gay Paree I’ve followed the river and I got to the sea I’ve been down on the bottom of a world full of lies I ain’t looking for nothing in anyone’s eyes Sometimes my burden seems more than I can bear It’s not dark yet, but it’s getting there I was born here and I’ll die here against my will I know it looks like I’m moving, but I’m standing still Every nerve in my body is so vacant and numb I can’t even remember what it was I came here to get away from Don’t even hear a murmur of a prayer It’s not dark yet, but it’s getting there |
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In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand at the mongrel dogs who teach,
Fearing not that I'd become my enemy in the instant that I preach, My pathway led by confusion boats, mutiny from stern to bow. |
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Cubism in lyric writing:
Early one morning the sun was shining I was laying in bed Wond'ring if she'd changed it all If her hair was still red Her folks they said our lives together Sure was gonna be rough They never did like Mama's homemade dress Papa's bankbook wasn't big enough And I was standing on the side of the road Rain falling on my shoes Heading out for the East Coast Lord knows I've paid some dues getting through Tangled up in blue. She was married when we first meet Soon to be divorced I helped her out of a jam I guess But I used a little too much force We drove that car as far as we could Abandoned it out West Split it up on a dark sad night Both agreeing it was best She turned around to look at me As I was walking away I heard her say over my shoulder "We'll meet again someday on the avenue" Tangled up in blue. I had a job in the great north woods Working as a cook for a spell But I never did like it all that much And one day the ax just fell So I drifted down to New Orleans Where I happened to be employed Working for a while on a fishing boat Right outside of Delacroix But all the while I was alone The past was close behind I seen a lot of women But she never escaped my mind and I just grew Tangled up in blue. She was working in a topless place And I stopped in for a beer I just kept looking at her side of her face In the spotlight so clear And later on as the crowd thinned out I's just about to do the same She was standing there in back of my chair Said to me "Don't I know your name ?" I muttered something underneath my breath She studied the lines on my face I must admit I felt a little uneasy When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe Tangled up in blue. She lit a burner on the stove and offered me a pipe "I thought you'd never say hello" she said "You look like the silent type" Then she opened up a book of poems And handed it to me Written by an Italian poet From the thirteenth century And every one of them words rang true And glowed like burning coal Pouring off of every page Like it was written in my soul from me to you Tangled up in blue I lived with them on Montague Street In a basement down the stairs There was music in the caf,s at night And revolution in the air Then he started into dealing with slaves And something inside of him died She had to sell everything she owned And froze up inside And when finally the bottom fell out I became withdrawn The only thing I knew how to do Was to keep on keeping on like a bird that flew Tangled up in blue. So now I'm going back again I got to get her somehow All the people we used to know They're an illusion to me now Some are mathematicians Some are carpenter's wives Don't know how it all got started I don't what they're doing with their lives But me I'm still on the road Heading for another joint We always did feel the same We just saw it from a different point of view Tangled up in blue. |
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My fave top 5 in no order of preference:
1. With God On Our Side 2. Isis 3. Like a Rolling Stone 4. Shelter From The Storm 5. Oh, Sister |
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