Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
 

Who is this Dylan you all speak of? Wasn't he the rabbit on the Magic Roundabout? Some talented rabbit then.

Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
 

Subterranean Homesick Blues - The pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handles.

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Apparently some chap who can play guitar a bit, make some not very tuneful noises on a harmonica, some even less tuneful noises with his voice, and seems to have had an uncanny ability to pen a good line in folk lyrics and pass it off as profound poetry.

The Welshman whose name he took, and whose centenary falls this year - now, there was a proper poet.

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'The constitution of Canada, like that of the United States makes no provision for secession."
John Diefenbaker

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I'm pleased to see so many on here who appreciate Mr. Z.

My choice for the best line he ever wrote in bold below...

In the empty lot where the ladies play blindman's bluff with the key chain
And the all-night girls they whisper of escapades out on the D-train
We can hear the night watchman click his flashlight
Ask himself if it's him or them it's insane
Louise she's all right she's just near
She's delicate and seems like veneer
But she just makes it all too concise and too clear
That Johanna's not here
The ghost of electricity howls in the bones of her face
Where these visions of Johanna have now taken my place.

Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
 

Ah, now we're getting somewhere on Mr D. The longer lyrics are intriguing. Will have to explore further.

Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
 

In keeping with the prevailing thread swerve ;),

"The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind ..."
:D

SB - (accidental Quebecoise by adoption)

Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
 

Although a technical point, no one 'signs' the Constitution.
Also, I think you actually meant that Quebec did not adopt the Charter of Rights.

Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
 

No. He means that Quebec didn't sign on to the Constitution.

Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
 

Quebec as a part founder of Canada at 1867, the Federation, is part and parcel of the Constitution itself.

I will grant you that, yes, by the 1982 round, there were political abstentions, including surrounding the non-adoption of the Charter, the same imbedded in the 1982 Constitution Act.

Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
 

what you refer to is the latest piece of nonsense from the separatists, not to be confused with the constitution of canada

http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/...969/story.html

Re: Canada and Quebec? and the future
 

I assure you that I am all too aware of the difference between:

The Constitution of Canada;
The 1982 Constitution Act;
The Canadian Charter of Rights; and
Quebec's Charter

Although its apparently all Poutin to some.

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She wants me to grow a moustache on my face
She's insane:(

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Now, the man on the stand he wants my vote
He's a-runnin' for office on the ballot note
He's out there preachin' in front of the steeple
Tellin' me he loves all kinds-a people
(He's eatin' bagels
He's eatin' pizza
He's eatin' chitlins).

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I am actually not very happy about Pauline and her political rhetoric, and let's hope it's just blindness rhetoric. Everything good will stay in Quebec, anything bad will go to the rest of Canada.

She seems to think that Quebec won't have any borders or tolls, however the rest of Canada could impose just that. And what about all these Canadian federal jobs in Quebec? Does she think they'll stay there once Quebec gets independent? Same as immigration! In the event of Quebec getting independence, anybody from Quebec would quite possibly be subject to Canadian Immigration legislation, like any other immigrant wanting to settle in Canada.

If Quebec would actually be a new country one day, how much "land" would she get? Would it be only about the southern third of Quebec that was part of "New France" and later on became the British Province of Quebec at the Treaty of Paris in 1763? Back then, the French didn't own land up north of that and the area around Hudson's Bay was "Rupert's land" and was actually a British territory back then.

After the "Treaty of Paris" which was in 1763, "New France" became British territory, the British Province of Quebec and the Crown's land now the Canadian Crown's land. Can French speaking Quebec separatists take land that doesn't belong to them but belongs to Canada and the Crown?

Who exactly would actually keep the land, like national parks and Indian reserves? As far as I know, in Quebec this land is under the jurisdiction of the Canadian federal government (the big Crown) according to the Canadian Constitution?

Next time, please your brain and try to think, Pauline.

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In this respect at least, Marois' rhetoric seems very similar to the sort of half-truths and unfounded claims that Salmond is making in Scotland. Oh yes, we'll have free movement across borders and share a currency, don't worry about federal jobs, don't worry about private businesses leaving the country. She doesn't seem to appreciate that many of these are not actually her, or Quebec's, decisions to make...

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Who would go to war against the First Nations in Quebec to try and take their land? The reserves along the US border could probably beat the SQ by themselves right now if they had to.

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And the natives in Quebec always say they wish to remain part of Canada if Quebec goes so how does that get dealt with?

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The last time the natives got really stroppy, it took more than the SQ to sort it out. Try Googling Oka Crisis.

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Don't have to; it's still fresh in my mind. One arms cache the police discovered contained LAWS rockets. They were totally justified in shutting down the mayor's plan to put in another nine holes of golf course on top of their graveyard, afaic. There were rallies in support and rotating highway and rail barricades all across the country.

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My BIL was one of the troops called out on that one.