Also Italy. Probably other countries too, anywhere with a national service obligation.

Correct. I had to apply to come to Canada and wait several months to be approved along with millions of others. Canada has a fairly generous Immigration system compared to others. While I understand the FOM may have gone for you if for example you wanted to up sticks and move from Hungary to Germany there are ways to probably do it.
I would possibly like to move to the USA for more than the 183 days currently allowed but I cant unless I married a US citizen.
It is what it is. The UK could choose to rejoin the EU if it wished but that remains to be seen if it will happen or not. Allegedly slavery was legal at one time so how come I cant have one now? Ah they changed the rules much like the UK did with being a member of the EU.
​​​​​​⠀‹I am certainly not defending Brexit but things change and we adapt much like we are doing with the Covid pandemic.

Possibly but I was looking at it from a perspective of a lot of these BE posters living in the EU being somewhat older and therefore unlikely to be conscripted/obligation to serve. There again a stint in the armed Forces might toughen them up and make them realize that it is not all about them.

The covid pandemic would only be equivalent to Brexit if someone deliberately infected you with covid so they could somehow advance their political career. If the implication is that Johnson is a shit equivalent to DeSantis or Cruz then fair enough.

Understand your points and broadly agree with your post. You missed Germany off the list - unless they very recently made a u-turn vis-a-vis dual citizenship.

Also appreciate that you guys took your own plunges when you decided to go west and have since adapted, so Brexit has had much less of an impact than it does on us lot over here.

On a personal note, I'm not really that bothered, basically as I don't have enough dosh to buy a holiday home in France or Greece; but the principal of losing FOM sucks to me.

And the ability to buy proper beer, ffs.

Germany is mentioned in that link with rather unique situations. I do read the Daily UK rags and dependent which one you read you get a predictable slant on certain stories. When you point out that it is just not the UK suffering from a shortage of HGV drivers it's the usual Brexit caused it. So what caused the shortage in North America? How about shit wages and working conditions much like they had in the UK. How many Brits never registered in the EU country they moved/retired to and have now found out that it wasn't a smart thing to do. was that the fault of Brexit or their own doing by not registering. It matters not if the UK was somewhat lapse in having EU citizens register in the UK.

Alas, for Brexiteers, they never could accept this - they only wanted to go back to how things were, before freedom to travel, work, live, study, retire to any EU country. To a time where we needed different driving licences, to a time where we didn't use funny metric measures at the market... don't mention Brexiteers and "accepting change" in the same sentence please.

Some of those situations are almost as "quaint" as the Brits.
You're bang on there, that's just what remains of the "lefty" Brit media having a pop at brexit.

Shock, horror, a shortage of LGV drivers has been noted in the EU, but we have a larger fishpond.

Wages are becoming an issue on both sides of the channel.
This seems to be a big factor stoking the fires in the UK gutter press, the sub-radar dwellers being outed.

No sympathy whatsoever from my end; live where you live, sign up, abide by the rules, don't take the piss. Or else.

What did Brexiteers want?

If there are any out there I'd like to know?

Because taxes just went up to bail out the NHS.

I see labour and food shortages.

What is it that has actually been gained?

It is just a matter of time now before the UK government will have to relax immigration again and all the process will have achieved is an absence of trade deals, higher costs and less inward investment.

It makes Canada an attractive option- for the children at least.

My observations in red. Couldn't vote in the referendum and wouldn't have done even if eligible.

The difference being that Brexit exacerbated it in a way that didn't happen in other countries. The Hauliers have said that the UK lost 60,000 drivers. Nearly a quarter of those were Europeans who don't have the right to work in the UK now.

The businesses have been trying to get the government to class the job as skilled so they can come back and work.

A heightened sense of sovereignty and a swelling of national pride. Also an enhanced probability of being rid of those Celts.

OK so apart from the big word where you could have simplified the meaning you gave an answer to the 1st part of the question.
So these EU workers who can no longer work in the UK where they being paid the 57K a year salaries that UK companies are now offering drivers?

https://www.chargedretail.co.uk/2021...substantially/

If not why not? Were employers taking advantage of a large pool of workers willing to work for less but earning more in the UK than they would in their own countries? Isn't this type of race to the bottom paying wages/benefits evident in most countries. I don't expect you to know why North America has a shortage of HGV drivers as we don't have FOM but it couldn't possibly have to do with them being paid shit wages/benefits and unsociable hours? Canada doesn't class a HGV driver as skilled work according to our standards but we can still bring them in under other programmes which we are in the thousands. Glad to see some of these drivers from tropical climates have previous experience of driving in snow/ice conditions with temps of minus 20C for about 4 months a year.

Probably time somebody started a thread about truck driver shortages in the US, because it's sod all to do with Brexit.

I have no idea. It has no relevance to your question asking why some people mention Brexit in the context of a UK driver shortage. The answer is because Brexit made the driver shortage worse than it would otherwise have been. It didn't do that anywhere else.