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Oink Apr 24th 2011 7:45 am

Re: Back from the UK
 

Originally Posted by YoshiPal2010 (Post 9323773)
The average house in, say, Halifax appears to be around C$25000). At today's exchange rate, this works around 155000 Pounds Sterling. Methinks the original poster is either very rich, in which case why would he want to move to Canada -- he could probably find a nice lifestyle in the UK -- or he is living in a dream-world. I don't imagine a ordinary person coming from the UK at this time, and probably under 40 years of age, would have that much money in house equity (he could, as mentioned, be indepentely wealthy, but )like I said, WHY?) For the kids, perhaps?

I think the common dream is to provide the kids with better opportunities for skiing.

Alan2005 Apr 24th 2011 7:50 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 9323696)
I'm not sure what you think the reason for cheap housing here is but I'm willing to bet it would be based on the usual misconceptions.

Your problem (as usual) is that you see the world through your own set of relatively unique circumstances and refuse to acknowledge that it might be different for others. It's blah blah, i've got 2 houses and I live on next to nothing, blah, blah.

Don't matter what I think the reasons are for the cheaper housing are. Ultimately it's going to be because hardly anyone wants to live there - if there was more demand, they would cost more. Obvious init.

BristolUK Apr 24th 2011 9:02 am

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Originally Posted by YoshiPal2010 (Post 9323773)
The average house in, say, Halifax appears to be around C$25000).

But why does it have to be in Halifax. Don't most BE people in NS not live in Halifax?


Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9323784)
Your problem (as usual) is that you see the world through your own set of relatively unique circumstances and refuse to acknowledge that it might be different for others. It's blah blah, i've got 2 houses and I live on next to nothing, blah, blah.

And this is relevant to property being cheap how?


Don't matter what I think the reasons are for the cheaper housing are. Ultimately it's going to be because hardly anyone wants to live there - if there was more demand, they would cost more. Obvious init.
Well that would be obvious with factors like reducing population, fewer jobs available, houses not being built, shopping centres not being built, companies and major retail stores not moving into the area.

The thing is, the opposite of those things has been happening year on year. But you wouldn't see that would you. ;)

Oink Apr 24th 2011 9:07 am

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To paraphrase the great Carl Menger, property prices are higher in nice areas than they are in shit-holes because people don't like living in shit-holes.

BristolUK Apr 24th 2011 9:22 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9323838)
To paraphrase the great Carl Menger, property prices are higher in nice areas than they are in shit-holes because people don't like living in shit-holes.

And obviously there's a lot of truth in that, particularly when speaking about, say, within a city.

It's a lot less true and probably complete bunkum when looking at an entire province.

I'm sure we've all seen run down places come up while once desirable places have gone to the dogs.

Moncton and Fredericton..all the benefits of city living at a fraction of the prices asked for in other places.

If people refuse to acknowledge that, or even entertain the idea despite all the evidence available, more fool them.

ExKiwilass Apr 24th 2011 9:55 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9323784)
Your problem (as usual) is that you see the world through your own set of relatively unique circumstances and refuse to acknowledge that it might be different for others. It's blah blah, i've got 2 houses and I live on next to nothing, blah, blah.

Don't matter what I think the reasons are for the cheaper housing are. Ultimately it's going to be because hardly anyone wants to live there - if there was more demand, they would cost more. Obvious init.

Yup.

Novocastrian Apr 24th 2011 10:00 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 9323852)
Moncton and Fredericton..all the benefits of city living at a fraction of the prices asked for in other places.

Now I've only been to Bristol a few times and not for decades, but you lived there, right?

How on earth can you claim that Fredericton and Moncton have "all the benefits of city living" and expect people to take you seriously?

ExKiwilass Apr 24th 2011 10:03 am

Re: Back from the UK
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 9323852)
And obviously there's a lot of truth in that, particularly when speaking about, say, within a city.

It's a lot less true and probably complete bunkum when looking at an entire province.

I'm sure we've all seen run down places come up while once desirable places have gone to the dogs.

Moncton and Fredericton..all the benefits of city living at a fraction of the prices asked for in other places.

If people refuse to acknowledge that, or even entertain the idea despite all the evidence available, more fool them.

No offence, but I really doubt living in Moncton or Fredericton is anything like living in Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary or Montreal.

If you're talking province-wide, there are lots of much cheaper places to live in BC. They're cheaper because a. the weather's shit b. there's far fewer jobs c. isolated etc. etc.

While it's true areas go up and down in desirability, a shit shack in east van will still set you back around 600k because Vancouver is a sought after place to live and for many, even living in a crapshack is worth it. Is this the same in Moncton? I doubt it somehow.

If someone wants to live in Van, they're not going to move to Moncton to do it. So I'm really lost as to what your point is to be honest, since the sheer demand for real estate in Vancouver is so much higher than where you are, you'd think the inference would be obvious - i.e. that more people want to live in Van.

If you're trying to say Moncton or Fredericton are cities with just as many amenities, jobs, climate, diversity, scenery etc. as Vancouver and Toronto, well honestly, I think that's delusional.

YoshiPal2010 Apr 24th 2011 10:12 am

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[QUOTE=BristolUK;9323832]But why does it have to be in Halifax. Don't most BE people in NS not live in Halifax?


No they don't! Halifax was chosen to illustrate the prices in a relatively low-cost area for property. Of course, the rest of Canada (at least the parts where there is plenty of work) are going to be much dearer. There seem to be a lot of prospective newcomers from the UK who still think they can offload their three-bedroom semi in Maidstone, and buy half of Nova Scotia. If they have paid-off their UK mortgage, they perhaps can, but I can't imagine that too many people have made large six-figure sums in equity over the past ten years (house prices dropped in the UK, too, you know?)

BristolUK Apr 24th 2011 10:24 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9323896)
Now I've only been to Bristol a few times and not for decades, but you lived there, right?

How on earth can you claim that Fredericton and Moncton have "all the benefits of city living" and expect people to take you seriously?

Well, I'm speaking in a Canadian context.

It's quite funny. I read many posts from people saying what they can't get in Canada. It's available here.

Some people complain about crappy internet speeds and even dial up because high speed isn't available. It is here. :)


Originally Posted by Kiwilass (Post 9323902)
No offence, but I really doubt living in Moncton or Fredericton is anything like living in Vancouver, Toronto, Calgary or Montreal.

No offence taken, but somewhere that isn't Vancouver, Calgary or Toronto doesn't make it the back of beyond, a shithole or anything else that so many seem to think this part of Canada is.


If someone wants to live in Van, they're not going to move to Moncton to do it. So I'm really lost as to what your point is to be honest, since the sheer demand for real estate in Vancouver is so much higher than where you are, you'd think the inference would be obvious - i.e. that more people want to live in Van.
I'm not denying that. I simply referred to the benefits of city living whereas many posters appear to think it's the back of beyond. In my time here Fredericton has been named as best place to retire to (of course that could make it seem less desirable:rofl:) and both Moncton and Fredericton come up in the top best places to live in Canada, year after year.

Of course those surveys take into account affordability but many other things too. Doctor/population ratio for example.


If you're trying to say Moncton or Fredericton are fabulous cities with just as many amenities, jobs, climate, diversity, scenery etc. as Vancouver and Toronto, well honestly, I think that's delusional.
I've not even said anything close to that. Benefits of city living was what I said...are you trying to say that if it's not Vancouver and Toronto don't bother? Of course you're not. So why assume I'm saying something as daft as Moncton is as good as Vancouver?

BristolUK Apr 24th 2011 10:32 am

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But why does it have to be in Halifax. Don't most BE people in NS not live in Halifax?


Originally Posted by YoshiPal2010 (Post 9323908)
No they don't! Halifax was chosen to illustrate the prices in a relatively low-cost area for property

So it's not really relevant then is it? If it's a relatively low cost area then an illustration of that should come from somewhere low cost.

Houses in places not too far to commute are much less.

If I considered moving to Quebec, prices in Montreal wouldn't be a good guide unless that was where I was moving.

Novocastrian Apr 24th 2011 10:38 am

Re: Back from the UK
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 9323924)
Well, I'm speaking in a Canadian context.

It's quite funny. I read many posts from people saying what they can't get in Canada. It's available here.

Some people complain about crappy internet speeds and even dial up because high speed isn't available. It is here. :)

Even in a Canadian context the places you are referring to rank alongside (or below) places like Barrie, North Bay, Windsor, (let's see, who else can I annoy? Ah, yes...) and Guelph.

They may all have high speed internet but you can't possibly believe that any offer "all the benefits of a city", can you?

BristolUK Apr 24th 2011 11:00 am

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Athens, Seoul, Lisbon, Sydney, Annecy, Beijing, Barcelona and.....Moncton.
Hosts of the World Junior Athletics Championships. :)

Rolling Stones biggest North American concert. Moncton.

U2 bringing their full show to where? Moncton. Are they playing all the other big Canadian cities?;)

I'm not interested in Country music but I do know that two of the biggest Country shows held in Canada of the last few years were in....Moncton.

Elton John played here a couple of years ago. Plenty of curent bands - Simple Plan, Sum 41 play here too.

Canada's national hockey championships were here (as well as World Curling :rofl:). Moncton has hosted a major "road" game for CFL and the CFL people were impressed enough by support and profits to be bringing another one.

And plenty of other stuff mentioned before.

Barrie, North Bay, Windsor, (let's see, who else can I annoy? Ah, yes...) and Guelph.
Can those places and others offer similar?;)


In a Canadian context, Moncton is really not far behind the major cities. Much closer than many would appear to think.


Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9323935)
They may all have high speed internet but you can't possibly believe that any offer "all the benefits of a city", can you?

Do all the big cities offer all the benefits of City living or do one or two places have something the others don't and vice versa?

fledermaus Apr 24th 2011 11:42 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 9323960)
Athens, Seoul, Lisbon, Sydney, Annecy, Beijing, Barcelona and.....Moncton.
Hosts of the World Junior Athletics Championships. :)

Rolling Stones biggest North American concert. Moncton.

U2 bringing their full show to where? Moncton. Are they playing all the other big Canadian cities?;)

I'm not interested in Country music but I do know that two of the biggest Country shows held in Canada of the last few years were in....Moncton.

Elton John played here a couple of years ago. Plenty of curent bands - Simple Plan, Sum 41 play here too.

Canada's national hockey championships were here (as well as World Curling :rofl:). Moncton has hosted a major "road" game for CFL and the CFL people were impressed enough by support and profits to be bringing another one.

And plenty of other stuff mentioned before. Can those places and others offer similar?;)


In a Canadian context, Moncton is really not far behind the major cities. Much closer than many would appear to think.

Do all the big cities offer all the benefits of City living or do one or two places have something the others don't and vice versa?

Art galleries? Museums? Opera? Symphony Hall?

ExKiwilass Apr 24th 2011 11:54 am

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Am I the only one who is giggling right now?

I can't believe we're having this discussion.


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