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Old Aug 11th 2011 | 6:24 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
Apply that school of thought to doctors, that would cure world over population in a week..
As usual, it's only the pictures in your post that I understand. If you're in a state where it's customary for the client to pay the doctor and you don't pay, the doctor won't treat you next time or, at best, will treat you grudgingly. This will have no bearing on the number of people in the world.
 
Old Aug 11th 2011 | 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33
As usual, it's only the pictures in your post that I understand. If you're in a state where it's customary for the client to pay the doctor and you don't pay, the doctor won't treat you next time or, at best, will treat you grudgingly. This will have no bearing on the number of people in the world.
If the doctor expects a tip and you dont give one, next time he might not treat you,.. You got it now Einstein

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Old Aug 11th 2011 | 6:44 am
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My nan's adage is tip accordingly to those who can do you the most damage.

From My Old Man's a Dustman.

"Some folks give tips at Christmas
And some of them forget
So when he [Lonnie Donegan's father] picks their bins up
He spills some on the steps
Now one old man got nasty
And to the council wrote
Next time my old man went 'round there
He punched him up the throat."

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Old Aug 11th 2011 | 6:49 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
If the doctor expects a tip and you dont give one, next time he might not treat you,.. You got it now Einsein
The analogy fails because doctors aren't paid by tips. The reference to intelligence fails because there was no famously clever man called Einsein. So, in a nutshell, no, I don't really know what you're on about. I do thank you though for the relative lack of graphics in that offering.
 
Old Aug 11th 2011 | 6:56 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33
The analogy fails because doctors aren't paid by tips. The reference to intelligence fails because there was no famously clever man called Einsein. So, in a nutshell, no, I don't really know what you're on about. I do thank you though for the relative lack of graphics in that offering.
Nor are servers, they get an hourly wage which they expect to be supplemented with tips, regardless of whether they deserve one or not. Und es tuet mir leid Herr kluegscheisse das ich habe das T vergessen in Einstein genueg fur euch
 
Old Aug 11th 2011 | 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
Nor are servers, they get an hourly wage which they expect to be supplemented with tips, regardless of whether they deserve one or not. Und es tuet mir leid Herr kluegscheisse das ich habe das T vergessen in Einstein genueg fur euch
I'm afraid an analysis of your German, if German it be, will have to wait for Novo's return. That, or a sharp eyed moderators application of the rule against that sort of thing.

The income of someone who waits on tables in Canada is made up of tips to such an extent that the deemed income from tips is taxable whether received or not. It's not the case that the income from tips is a supplement, as it is in the UK, rather it's a basic part of the remuneration for the job. Knowing this, someone who eats in a restaurant and doesn't tip, or doesn't tip adequately, is effectively stealing from the staff.
 
Old Aug 11th 2011 | 7:19 am
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Originally Posted by reggiedh
How is it when didning out or in a bar when you pay the waiter/waitress actually ask "do you want change?" when you pay? My usual response is yes and them leave them nothing. I mean what a nerve!! Or am I over reacting?
1/ You are over reacting.

2/ You are tight.

3/ You'd be pissed off if your bill was 21 and you'd put down 40 and they didn't bring you change. They don't necessarily count out the money right in front of you etc..........
 
Old Aug 11th 2011 | 7:20 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33
I'm afraid an analysis of your German, if German it be, will have to wait for Novo's return. That, or a sharp eyed moderators application of the rule against that sort of thing.

The income of someone who waits on tables in Canada is made up of tips to such an extent that the deemed income from tips is taxable whether received or not. It's not the case that the income from tips is a supplement, as it is in the UK, rather it's a basic part of the remuneration for the job. Knowing this, someone who eats in a restaurant and doesn't tip, or doesn't tip adequately, is effectively stealing from the staff.
If you tip just adhoc the service will never improve from what it is today Shite, and I dont pay for Shite, if the foods bad it goes back if the service is Shite no tip. Its not my concern that restaurant staff cant handle out a proper wage from their employers.

Und es tuet mir leid Herr kluegscheisse das ich habe das T vergessen in Einstein genueg fur euch
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I am very sorry Mister Clever Clogs that I missed the "T" in Einsteinthis enough ( refering to the # of pictures)
 
Old Aug 11th 2011 | 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
If the doctor expects a tip and you dont give one, next time he might not treat you,.. You got it now Einstein
There are two people you always pay:

Your bartender and your dentist- both equally adept at alleviating pain.

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Old Aug 11th 2011 | 7:26 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33
I'm afraid an analysis of your German, if German it be, will have to wait for Novo's return. That, or a sharp eyed moderators application of the rule against that sort of thing.

The income of someone who waits on tables in Canada is made up of tips to such an extent that the deemed income from tips is taxable whether received or not. It's not the case that the income from tips is a supplement, as it is in the UK, rather it's a basic part of the remuneration for the job. Knowing this, someone who eats in a restaurant and doesn't tip, or doesn't tip adequately, is effectively stealing from the staff.
There is other factors.

A former associate of mine was a server in downtown. Out of his daily revenue he had to pay 5% to kitchen staff and the busser- people who are not customer facing.

So if he wasn't tipped sufficiently he effectively served a table at a loss.

When large Chinese groups would come in. Not only would they run up a hefty bill of which 5% was noticeable but they would never tip.

It used to drive all the servers nuts when this happened and it was always the short straw.
 
Old Aug 11th 2011 | 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
Funny my wife thinks the same. I am used to very good service from Switzerland, so the " Hi Guys I'm Suzy your server tonight" non culture does not wash with me, and until I find a waiter/ess that has a basic grasp of the rudimentary art of their job I wont tip. ie automaticaly refill all the wine glasses, not serve from what ever side they happen to be standing, not clearing the table until the last person has finished ,not giving the bill until its requested, sitting down in our booth for a chat and to rest her feet ???? ( this happened at The Keg.
Time to get off that high horse of yours, Gremmie.

You live in Manitoba, if I recall correctly. I don't know exactly how many Michelin-starred restaurants there are in Manitoba, nor how many training schools there are for waiting staff, but I'd think not too many.

Don't you think - as a sophisticated European gourmand - that it's a little shabby of you to expect Geneva standards of service from a waitress at Humpty's in the back of beyond, Manitoba?
 
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
If you tip just adhoc the service will never improve from what it is today Shite, and I dont pay for Shite, if the foods bad it goes back if the service is Shite no tip. Its not my concern that restaurant staff cant handle out a proper wage from their employers.
Maybe your service is shite because they know you don't tip.

Look it's that tight grumpy English bugger who always starts complaining when his glass is half empty. Let's give him crap service again and some special source on his burger........

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Old Aug 11th 2011 | 7:46 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
Funny my wife thinks the same. I am used to very good service from Switzerland, so the " Hi Guys I'm Suzy your server tonight" non culture does not wash with me, and until I find a waiter/ess that has a basic grasp of the rudimentary art of their job I wont tip. ie automaticaly refill all the wine glasses, not serve from what ever side they happen to be standing, not clearing the table until the last person has finished ,not giving the bill until its requested, sitting down in our booth for a chat and to rest her feet ???? ( this happened at The Keg.


I'm somewhat of a de facto authority on The Keg and I can tell you that it is sometimes company policy, at the discretion of the manager, to have the servers sit down and have a little chat. And given that most of the waiting staff are attractive women in their twenties, I don't think its a policy that most people would find displeasing.
 
Old Aug 11th 2011 | 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by JamesM
There is other factors.

A former associate of mine was a server in downtown. Out of his daily revenue he had to pay 5% to kitchen staff and the busser- people who are not customer facing.

So if he wasn't tipped sufficiently he effectively served a table at a loss.

When large Chinese groups would come in. Not only would they run up a hefty bill of which 5% was noticeable but they would never tip.

It used to drive all the servers nuts when this happened and it was always the short straw.
Again this is the restaurant staffs fault for not demanding a proper wage not the customer's. It has nothing to do with location/ city or expecting any thing unreasonable. Why should just this trade expect to be treated any better than any other, does any one tip the kid that stuffs your grocery bag at Costco ??? Do you tip the woman at the post office for licking the stamp and putting it on the envelope ?? When was the last time any of you went up to the truck driver and gave him a tip for delivering every thing you own. Never.
 
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
Again this is the restaurant staffs fault for not demanding a proper wage not the customer's. It has nothing to do with location/ city or expecting any thing unreasonable. Why should just this trade expect to be treated any better than any other, does any one tip the kid that stuffs your grocery bag at Costco ??? Do you tip the woman at the post office for licking the stamp and putting it on the envelope ?? When was the last time any of you went up to the truck driver and gave him a tip for delivering every thing you own. Never.
Think of it as sales commission for brokering the deal between yourself and the chef and you'll be able to calm down a little.
 


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