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Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7798418)
Mac, you are are 118 posts too late.... isn't that largely the whole point of this thread.:confused:
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Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7798418)
Mac, you are are 118 posts too late.... isn't that largely the whole point of this thread.:confused:
Butch PLEAAAAAASSSSSEEEEE, DONT LEAVE US, WE LOVE YOU AND WILL MISS YOU. DOOOOONNNNNTTTTT GGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! There, happy now? Didnt think so.:zzz: |
Re: Advice please
I guess I'll chip in here.
Long before I joined this discussion board a couple of years back, I would read the various threads and would see Butch's comments. There would be lots of inoffensive banter, a significant number of posts where he would contribute helpfully to threads where folk were looking for an opinion and a number of posts that were a bit close to or maybe over the mark (in my view anyway - given that interpretation of the rules has a degree of subjectivity attached - part of what makes being a mod such a thankless task perhaps). I don't think too much has changed in that respect, although granted, I don't spend as much time here as I once did and I respect Christmasoompa's view that we don't get to see some posts as the mods get there first to delete them. I do still see lots of inoffensive banter from Butch, threads where he contributes helpfully and some where I think "ouch!" Maybe it's not Butch that has changed significantly. Perhaps this is more an evolution of general (and mod) perceptions about what is acceptable and what is not under the rules. Like one or two others on this thread, I have met Butch and he is a good person. He is articulate and intelligent and there is no doubt he understands the rules, although his interpretation of what is acceptable and what is not would seem to vary from that of the mods sometimes. Personally, I would like to see him remain on the discussion boards as there is a wealth of knowledge and experience there that he can share. After so many thousands of posts, (the vast majority of which will not have breached anyone's interpretations of the rules), I rather doubt Butch is going to change his posting style a great deal so, although I didn't bother to vote, it seems to me (having read this thread) that the most likely outcome is that he will post as he feels and accept the consequences. Eamonn. |
Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by Getting There
(Post 7798498)
I guess I'll chip in here.
Long before I joined this discussion board a couple of years back, I would read the various threads and would see Butch's comments. There would be lots of inoffensive banter, a significant number of posts where he would contribute helpfully to threads where folk were looking for an opinion and a number of posts that were a bit close to or maybe over the mark (in my view anyway - given that interpretation of the rules has a degree of subjectivity attached - part of what makes being a mod such a thankless task perhaps). I don't think too much has changed in that respect, although granted, I don't spend as much time here as I once did and I respect Christmasoompa's view that we don't get to see some posts as the mods get there first to delete them. I do still see lots of inoffensive banter from Butch, threads where he contributes helpfully and some where I think "ouch!" Maybe it's not Butch that has changed significantly. Perhaps this is more an evolution of general (and mod) perceptions about what is acceptable and what is not under the rules. Like one or two others on this thread, I have met Butch and he is a good person. He is articulate and intelligent and there is no doubt he understands the rules, although his interpretation of what is acceptable and what is not would seem to vary from that of the mods sometimes. Personally, I would like to see him remain on the discussion boards as there is a wealth of knowledge and experience there that he can share. After so many thousands of posts, (the vast majority of which will not have breached anyone's interpretations of the rules), I rather doubt Butch is going to change his posting style a great deal so, although I didn't bother to vote, it seems to me (having read this thread) that the most likely outcome is that he will post as he feels and accept the consequences. Eamonn. Thank you I think. May I just say you appear to be the sole voice of reason in the desert (and NOT just because you appear to be 'supporting' me). ;) |
Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by Brownstar
(Post 7798464)
What happened to impartiality?
We still have opinions, we still post as if we were regular forum members, which of course we did long before being asked to mod . In fact, when I was invited to mod, my only question was whether I would be expected to modify my posting, and the answer was a clear no. Maybe your experience on other fora is different, but then this isn't other fora. If you have a problem with my opinions, fine, that's your right, argue against them in a civilised way if you wish. If you have a problem with how we moderate, fine, take it up with "The powers that be", in private, although Sue seems to have made her opinions pretty clear here. If any of you dont like the way it is, well, dont let the door hit you on the way out, because its not going to get any more easy going. The rules remain the same and they will be applied impartially as best we can as occasionally flawed human beings. |
Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7798511)
We apply the rules impartially, but you seem to that the mods here will be devoid of opinions and refrain from posting on topics just as regular members do.
We still have opinions, we still post as if we were regular forum members, which of course we did long before being asked to mod. In fact, when I was invited to mod, my only question was whether I would be expected to modify my posting, and the answer was a clear no. Maybe your experience on other fora is different, but then this isn't other fora. If you have a problem with my opinions, fine, that's your right, argue against them in a civilised way if you wish. If you have a problem with how we moderate, fine, take it up with "The powers that be", in private, although Sue seems to have made her opinions pretty clear here. If any of you dont like the way it is, well, dont let the door hit you on the way out, because its not going to get any more easy going. The rules remain the same and they will be applied impartially as best we can as occasionally flawed human beings. One of which is that judgement can become clouded when you become involved in discussion.............not that I'm saying that anyone acts like that on here, I'm just saying its human nature. |
Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by Brownstar
(Post 7798522)
One of which is that judgement can become clouded when you become involved in discussion.............not that I'm saying that anyone acts like that on here, I'm just saying its human nature.
I would estimate that maybe 90% of the time moderator action is triggered by others reporting posts anyway, but of course if we happen to see something first that's clearly out of order we will head that off at the pass. If its any consolation the mods do discuss many issues in private in the background, and that includes mods from outside the Canada fora who are not involved personally. Its not like we operate entirely in a vacuum. And the funny thing is, most of the other mods express surprise at our tolerance level. |
Re: Advice please
Gosh is this still going - I had assumed Butch was drunk.
If this flouncing is genuine then it's a stellar performance, I especially like the fact that it's spread across multiple threads (nice touch butch). It's the flounciest flounce I've ever seen that's for sure. |
Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7798584)
I dont think getting involved in a discussion is going to impare a mods judgement of whether rules are broken or not. The rules are not super complicated, we dont require the supreme court to interpret them. What you do need is a thick skin to ignore all the cliques and little social clubs and the like here. I hear we are discussed on Facebook? Seriously, people have nothing better to do?
I would estimate that maybe 90% of the time moderator action is triggered by others reporting posts anyway, but of course if we happen to see something first that's clearly out of order we will head that off at the pass. If its any consolation the mods do discuss many issues in private in the background, and that includes mods from outside the Canada fora who are not involved personally. Its not like we operate entirely in a vacuum. And the funny thing is, most of the other mods express surprise at our tolerance level. Iaink on most of the decent forums I’ve been on the Moderators don't need to defend their actions, they ban the irritations before they become a problem IMHO this place requires a clean up |
Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 7798584)
If its any consolation the mods do discuss many issues in private in the background, and that includes mods from outside the Canada fora who are not involved personally. Its not like we operate entirely in a vacuum. And the funny thing is, most of the other mods express surprise at our tolerance level. |
Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 7798607)
dam it
Iaink on most of the decent forums I’ve been on the Moderators don't need to defend their actions, they ban the irritations before they become a problem IMHO this place requires a clean up |
Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by Flogger
(Post 7798612)
I am surprised by this,as you both come across as overzealous in your reactions to potential misdemeanors.
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Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by Kate2112
(Post 7798618)
Name some? Its easy to accuse anyone of being overzealous but without evidence to support this its just an unfounded accusation. I would be interested in your interpretation of overzealous.
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Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7798615)
I agree, are you going to leave then?
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Re: Advice please
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 7798607)
IMHO this place requires a clean up ......................................YOU won't be missed :lol: |
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