2231-79 (ACS code)- Merged threads
Jul 8th 2010, 4:02 pm
#46
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
Alienfeet,
This is why they have given ASCO to ANZSCO classification, check your existing ASCO code (2231-79) in schedule 4 of the new SOL, its already mapped with the new ANZSCO code (261399)
This is why they have given ASCO to ANZSCO classification, check your existing ASCO code (2231-79) in schedule 4 of the new SOL, its already mapped with the new ANZSCO code (261399)
Jul 8th 2010, 4:27 pm
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
Yes indeed you are right.
But my intention is to head for Sydney and as 261399 is not on Schedule 3 this means state sponsor is my only option and NSW are not sponsoring 261399. I think I'm right in saying this??
But my intention is to head for Sydney and as 261399 is not on Schedule 3 this means state sponsor is my only option and NSW are not sponsoring 261399. I think I'm right in saying this??
Jul 8th 2010, 5:03 pm
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
Jul 9th 2010, 6:53 am
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Re: Reassesment
Hi Freinds,
Can some one clarify my Doubts? My friend got assessed recently 2231-79 assessment Recently. But he has forgotten to mention c++ on his application. so he can't get a state sponsor.
My questions are
1. Can he apply for 175 with this old code if so how long it will take to gain a PR as it is on low priority?
2.What is the procedure for applying Reassessment? which form he has to use and does he need to pay the fees again. Where should he mention the specialization.(c++ )
your answers would give him a breath
Cheers
Dham
Can some one clarify my Doubts? My friend got assessed recently 2231-79 assessment Recently. But he has forgotten to mention c++ on his application. so he can't get a state sponsor.
My questions are
1. Can he apply for 175 with this old code if so how long it will take to gain a PR as it is on low priority?
2.What is the procedure for applying Reassessment? which form he has to use and does he need to pay the fees again. Where should he mention the specialization.(c++ )
your answers would give him a breath
Cheers
Dham
Jul 9th 2010, 7:41 am
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
I wish to apply for "Skilled Sponsored (Migrant) Visa (Subclass 176)" using eligible relative living in Australia sponsorship. And I have a successful assessment of my qualifications against ASCO code 2231-79 (.Net) issued on May 28, 2010. Can I use this assessment against the correlated ANZSCO code as mentioned on (http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/gener...tracted below:
I’ve already obtained my skills assessment in an ASCO occupation but have not lodged an application yet − is my skills assessment still valid?
Yes. If you apply for a GSM visa after 1 July 2010 you can still use your ASCO skills assessment obtained prior to 1 July 2010, provided that your ASCO skills assessment is still valid.
To allow for this, the department has correlated all ASCO occupations currently acceptable for skilled visa program purposes to their acceptable corresponding ANZSCO occupation(s). These correlations will be used to determine whether your valid ASCO skills assessment is an acceptable correlation for your ANZSCO nominated occupation. As the two occupation standards contain several differences, in some cases this may mean that one ASCO occupation correlates to several ANZSCO occupations and, conversely, that one ANZSCO occupation correlates to several ASCO occupations.
A list of the endorsed ASCO to ANZSCO correlations for skilled visa program purposes is available on the department’s website.
See: www.immi.gov.au/employers/anzsco/
I’ve already obtained my skills assessment in an ASCO occupation but have not lodged an application yet − is my skills assessment still valid?
Yes. If you apply for a GSM visa after 1 July 2010 you can still use your ASCO skills assessment obtained prior to 1 July 2010, provided that your ASCO skills assessment is still valid.
To allow for this, the department has correlated all ASCO occupations currently acceptable for skilled visa program purposes to their acceptable corresponding ANZSCO occupation(s). These correlations will be used to determine whether your valid ASCO skills assessment is an acceptable correlation for your ANZSCO nominated occupation. As the two occupation standards contain several differences, in some cases this may mean that one ASCO occupation correlates to several ANZSCO occupations and, conversely, that one ANZSCO occupation correlates to several ASCO occupations.
A list of the endorsed ASCO to ANZSCO correlations for skilled visa program purposes is available on the department’s website.
See: www.immi.gov.au/employers/anzsco/
Jul 9th 2010, 8:46 am
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
I think reassessment and getting a NEW assessment are two different things.
Some of you can reassess your ASCO code for free, but guys who got ASCO before suspension of visas and don't qualify for free reassessment may apply for a new assessment. In this situation you hold still valid ASCO, because it maps to ANZSCO which is on SOL or ENSOL (eg 2231-79 maps to Software Developer NEC 261399) and after you send a NEW application for assessment (you pay fee and do everything from scratch) you get a new assessment with new reference number and new position (say Developer Programmer 261312).
The question is if you can still use Software Developer NEC (or the new one, inrterchangeably) after you get a new code. So, for example people send for SS using 261399, but before they get SS or lodge visa ACS gives them 261312. Does it mean 261399 is not valid anymore?
Correct me if I'm wrong - maybe those who have assessment either in valid ASCO or ANZSCO cannot get a new (different) skills assessment and there is ONLY option of reassessment=review?
Jul 9th 2010, 9:01 am
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
I think so too, if you reassess, the skill is overwritten.
I think reassessment and getting a NEW assessment are two different things.
Some of you can reassess your ASCO code for free, but guys who got ASCO before suspension of visas and don't qualify for free reassessment may apply for a new assessment. In this situation you hold still valid ASCO, because it maps to ANZSCO which is on SOL or ENSOL (eg 2231-79 maps to Software Developer NEC 261399) and after you send a NEW application for assessment (you pay fee and do everything from scratch) you get a new assessment with new reference number and new position (say Developer Programmer 261312).
The question is if you can still use Software Developer NEC (or the new one, inrterchangeably) after you get a new code. So, for example people send for SS using 261399, but before they get SS or lodge visa ACS gives them 261312. Does it mean 261399 is not valid anymore?
Correct me if I'm wrong - maybe those who have assessment either in valid ASCO or ANZSCO cannot get a new (different) skills assessment and there is ONLY option of reassessment=review?
I think reassessment and getting a NEW assessment are two different things.
Some of you can reassess your ASCO code for free, but guys who got ASCO before suspension of visas and don't qualify for free reassessment may apply for a new assessment. In this situation you hold still valid ASCO, because it maps to ANZSCO which is on SOL or ENSOL (eg 2231-79 maps to Software Developer NEC 261399) and after you send a NEW application for assessment (you pay fee and do everything from scratch) you get a new assessment with new reference number and new position (say Developer Programmer 261312).
The question is if you can still use Software Developer NEC (or the new one, inrterchangeably) after you get a new code. So, for example people send for SS using 261399, but before they get SS or lodge visa ACS gives them 261312. Does it mean 261399 is not valid anymore?
Correct me if I'm wrong - maybe those who have assessment either in valid ASCO or ANZSCO cannot get a new (different) skills assessment and there is ONLY option of reassessment=review?
Me too confused about the fact you emphasized, sometimes I feel re-assessment is only for those who not in any of those schedules but still hold an occupation closely relative to one listed. In this case many people in trouble, I think there are many members out there having 2231-79(specialization) because before DIAC stop the migration program temporarily everybody was fighting to get into the CSL by nominating a specialization. It seems you cannot do much with 261399 at the moment even though its on SOL , I wish i could re-assess & get 261313 or 261312
Jul 9th 2010, 9:33 am
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
living_legend - Don't worry, if you have 2231-79, it's very close to 261312 or 261313.
Actually I don't understand why they mapped well specialised programmers to NEC category which is not on SOL. People from CSL got like two levels lover - to ENSOL.
Another weird thing is SMP - they can use SOL and ENSOL, but for example NSW wants Java people with code for Software Engineer 261313. What about people with Java but with 261399. It's so ridiculous. This way another state may want Java specialists but with 261312 code.
IT people have a lot of trouble because of the new codes. More competition too, because ANZSCO is not very specific. Unbelievable, how lucky we felt in April when my boyfriend got .Net 2231-79... Now it seems to be useless and after all the waiting we still don't know what to do with it.
Actually I don't understand why they mapped well specialised programmers to NEC category which is not on SOL. People from CSL got like two levels lover - to ENSOL.
Another weird thing is SMP - they can use SOL and ENSOL, but for example NSW wants Java people with code for Software Engineer 261313. What about people with Java but with 261399. It's so ridiculous. This way another state may want Java specialists but with 261312 code.
IT people have a lot of trouble because of the new codes. More competition too, because ANZSCO is not very specific. Unbelievable, how lucky we felt in April when my boyfriend got .Net 2231-79... Now it seems to be useless and after all the waiting we still don't know what to do with it.
Jul 9th 2010, 9:46 am
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
Lena one more confusion
As within schedule 3 there are following IT categories
As well within schedule 4 there is one category which has equivalent ASCO code 2231-79
Software and Applications
Programmers nec 261399
If you go to see the responsibilites you will not find any differences for the
schedule 3 Analyst programmer 261311 ,Developer programmer 261312,Software engineer 261313 and schedule 4 Software and Applications Programmers nec responsibilities.
Wonder why there is discrimination with Software and Applications programmers nec 261399 in schedule 4,Why it is not in schedule 3 while the same (261311,261312,261313) having identical responsibilities to 261399 are on schedule 3?
As within schedule 3 there are following IT categories
Analyst programmer 261311
Developer programmer 261312
Software engineer 261313
Developer programmer 261312
Software engineer 261313
Software and Applications
Programmers nec 261399
If you go to see the responsibilites you will not find any differences for the
schedule 3 Analyst programmer 261311 ,Developer programmer 261312,Software engineer 261313 and schedule 4 Software and Applications Programmers nec responsibilities.
Wonder why there is discrimination with Software and Applications programmers nec 261399 in schedule 4,Why it is not in schedule 3 while the same (261311,261312,261313) having identical responsibilities to 261399 are on schedule 3?
Last edited by sufyan_victoria; Jul 9th 2010 at 9:48 am.
Jul 9th 2010, 10:19 am
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
Lena one more confusion
As within schedule 3 there are following IT categories
As well within schedule 4 there is one category which has equivalent ASCO code 2231-79
Software and Applications
Programmers nec 261399
If you go to see the responsibilites you will not find any differences for the
schedule 3 Analyst programmer 261311 ,Developer programmer 261312,Software engineer 261313 and schedule 4 Software and Applications Programmers nec responsibilities.
Wonder why there is discrimination with Software and Applications programmers nec 261399 in schedule 4,Why it is not in schedule 3 while the same (261311,261312,261313) having identical responsibilities to 261399 are on schedule 3?
As within schedule 3 there are following IT categories
As well within schedule 4 there is one category which has equivalent ASCO code 2231-79
Software and Applications
Programmers nec 261399
If you go to see the responsibilites you will not find any differences for the
schedule 3 Analyst programmer 261311 ,Developer programmer 261312,Software engineer 261313 and schedule 4 Software and Applications Programmers nec responsibilities.
Wonder why there is discrimination with Software and Applications programmers nec 261399 in schedule 4,Why it is not in schedule 3 while the same (261311,261312,261313) having identical responsibilities to 261399 are on schedule 3?
I saw on one forum people were wondering if it wasn't a mistake that Software and Applications programmers NEC 261399 are on schedule 4.
Another possibility is that code 2231-79 was so popular, that to slow down immigration they moved its equivalent (261399) to schedule 4...
Actually, why specialised and experienced software developers were classified as NEC is also a bit weird. They definitely ARE Developer Programmers. If they didn't have 2231-79 code and sent for a skill assessment with exactly same job description I believe they would be classified for one of Schedule 4 jobs, most likely Developer programmer 261312.But, well...
Last edited by Lena L; Jul 9th 2010 at 10:31 am. Reason: adding info
Jul 9th 2010, 10:21 am
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
You're right, I knew they were very similar and most responsibilities overlap.
I saw on one forum people were wondering if it wasn't a mistake that Software and Applications programmers NEC 261399 are on schedule 4.
Another possibility is that code 2231-79 was so popular, that to slow down immigration they moved its equivalent (261399) to schedule 4...
I saw on one forum people were wondering if it wasn't a mistake that Software and Applications programmers NEC 261399 are on schedule 4.
Another possibility is that code 2231-79 was so popular, that to slow down immigration they moved its equivalent (261399) to schedule 4...
Regarding software engineer vs developer programmer - you can see professions like software designer were mapped to that - pay attention to asco definition of software engineer - i think it will be more difficult to prove you are such than proving your are a "devleoper programmer' - in my case, this is ridiculous as I did lots of design tasks (high level and detailed) but also coded alot - mainly in java, and yet - they say that the alternative title for "software engineer" is "architect" which i am not, as i did not write architecture documents or described the overall architecture of a system - so i know i wont qualify for NSW, but I think I will go for "developer programmer" - what do u think about all of this guys?
Jul 9th 2010, 10:50 am
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
Regarding software engineer vs developer programmer - you can see professions like software designer were mapped to that - pay attention to asco definition of software engineer - i think it will be more difficult to prove you are such than proving your are a "devleoper programmer' - in my case, this is ridiculous as I did lots of design tasks (high level and detailed) but also coded alot - mainly in java, and yet - they say that the alternative title for "software engineer" is "architect" which i am not, as i did not write architecture documents or described the overall architecture of a system - so i know i wont qualify for NSW, but I think I will go for "developer programmer" - what do u think about all of this guys?
In my skill assessment, they have given me 2231-79(J2EE), this is because in my letter I mentioned couple of projects to demonstrate the experience in J2EE and at that time my objective was to get into the CSL ASAP. Somehow I got the assessment letter in 9-June-2010 with above results. Then after that all these changes and bla bla....kind of shattered my hopes
But I feel 1 have some valid point with re-assesing my skills because my designation goes as Senior software Engineer and my JD also included in the letter appart from those Java experience.
Waiting to see some light at the other side of the tunnel!
Jul 9th 2010, 11:42 am
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2231-79 ( network security )
Dear All,
Kindly guide ma about the following query.
I have received my ACS letter on 16 Feb 2010 for ASCO code 2231-79 (network security). Now tell me whether i should go for a re-assessment or apply another new assessment for Telecom / network engineer according to ANZSCO????
Is their any relevant match for ASCO code 2231-79 ( network security ) in all 4 schedules (new SOL).
Please all senior member and migration agents reply with a clear and valid answer.
Regards
Kindly guide ma about the following query.
I have received my ACS letter on 16 Feb 2010 for ASCO code 2231-79 (network security). Now tell me whether i should go for a re-assessment or apply another new assessment for Telecom / network engineer according to ANZSCO????
Is their any relevant match for ASCO code 2231-79 ( network security ) in all 4 schedules (new SOL).
Please all senior member and migration agents reply with a clear and valid answer.
Regards
Jul 9th 2010, 11:53 am
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Re: DIAC told me 2231-79 (Oracle Spec) does NOT require reassessment
Oracle Database Administrator
Oct – 2008 Current
Oracle Database Administrator
Oct – 2007 Sep– 2008
Software Developer
Dec– 2006 Oct – 2007
Programmer / Analyst
Feb– 2002 Nov– 2006
above is my career path,i have already got 2231-79 (Oracle Specialist) which is not in new SOL schedule 3 but in schedule 4.One way for me to get new assesment (reassessed) , for new assesment (reassessment) i will have to show that i am working as a software developer or developer programmer.Though, currently i am doing as a software developer/implementer as well as as a database administrator , same i showed in my previous ACS assesment , i showed the current responsibilities in declaration stamp paper for my current job , bold ones are related to software development.
MAIN DUTIES (ORACLE):
•Regularly perform database systems management duties that include database installation, upgrades, patch implementation, configuration, and access security management, proactive monitoring and reporting, troubleshooting, and develop database control scripts and specialized software (APIs) to assist in the management of transaction processing environment.
•Created SLA (System Level Agreement) for database backup and recovery risk analysis.
•Implement, maintained and validate online database backup using oracle RMAN (Recovery Manager) tool as an incremental level backup according to SLA for the production and UAT environment.
•Planning and implementation for Oracle Data Guard with physical standby database within maximum protection mode according to SLA.
•Configured IBM Blade Server with SAN (Storage Area Network) using IBM deployment server for the platform Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS5 and AS4.
•Planned and configuring SAN to Logical Volume for Oracle database and cluster ware configuration for the Oracle RAC environment for the two node.
•Created ATI MEDiTOP physical database in oracle with consideration of HA (High Availability).
•ATI MEDiTOP Application installation/upgrade/configuration in Oracle Application Server with ATI MEDiTOP physical database.
•Managing Database Performance & Tuning.
•Implemented and maintain database security (users’ roles and privileges) at back end oracle database.
•Implemented application security (user creation, assigning, revoking, responsibilities to users) using ATI MEDiTOP module security and control.
•Planned growth and changes (capacity Planning) for the oracle database
OTHER DUTIES:
•Planning and implementation the RAC with two node for database node.
•Planning and implementation of Dataguard.
•Responsible for 24x7 production environment and provided on call and day to day support.
•Planned and implemented the backup and recovery solution for 24x7 Production environment.
•Take care of the Database design and implementation
•Implement and maintain database security (create and maintain users and roles, assign privileges) as well application security creating, assigning, revoking
•Responsibilities to users.
oDo application tuning and performance monitoring
oSetup and maintain documentation and standards
oDo general technical trouble shooting and give consultation to development
•Understanding ATI MEDiTOP ERP with its Business Logic by reviewing Oracle Developer based Development and creating PL/SQL (DML & Query).
•Developed Unix shell scripts to upload & download data into/from Database using SQL* Loader.
•Continuous Reviewing ATI MEDiTOP ERP modules for successful implementation which adhere me to Enhanced ATI MEDiTOP ERP modules by adding Corporate Functionality
I have expertise on the following programming tools and languages:
• Oracle PL/SQL Developer
• Toad
• Oracle 10g
• Oracle Developer 6i
• Erwin
I have worked on the following projects:
• Human Resource
• Material Management
• Security & Control
• Oracle RAC implementation
• Oracle Data Guard
Above is my current responsibilities which i showed the same in my previous ACS assesment,can I get new assesment as few of them in the above bolded responsibilities which i mentioned in my previous ACS assesment for 2231-79 (Oracle Specialist). I mean to say to be reassessed under a different code like Analyst programmer (261311),Developer programmer (261312),Software engineer (261313) for my case will not conflict to the accesor as i have already provided him in my previous assesment for the above bolded responsibilities.
Oct – 2008 Current
Oracle Database Administrator
Oct – 2007 Sep– 2008
Software Developer
Dec– 2006 Oct – 2007
Programmer / Analyst
Feb– 2002 Nov– 2006
above is my career path,i have already got 2231-79 (Oracle Specialist) which is not in new SOL schedule 3 but in schedule 4.One way for me to get new assesment (reassessed) , for new assesment (reassessment) i will have to show that i am working as a software developer or developer programmer.Though, currently i am doing as a software developer/implementer as well as as a database administrator , same i showed in my previous ACS assesment , i showed the current responsibilities in declaration stamp paper for my current job , bold ones are related to software development.
MAIN DUTIES (ORACLE):
•Regularly perform database systems management duties that include database installation, upgrades, patch implementation, configuration, and access security management, proactive monitoring and reporting, troubleshooting, and develop database control scripts and specialized software (APIs) to assist in the management of transaction processing environment.
•Created SLA (System Level Agreement) for database backup and recovery risk analysis.
•Implement, maintained and validate online database backup using oracle RMAN (Recovery Manager) tool as an incremental level backup according to SLA for the production and UAT environment.
•Planning and implementation for Oracle Data Guard with physical standby database within maximum protection mode according to SLA.
•Configured IBM Blade Server with SAN (Storage Area Network) using IBM deployment server for the platform Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS5 and AS4.
•Planned and configuring SAN to Logical Volume for Oracle database and cluster ware configuration for the Oracle RAC environment for the two node.
•Created ATI MEDiTOP physical database in oracle with consideration of HA (High Availability).
•ATI MEDiTOP Application installation/upgrade/configuration in Oracle Application Server with ATI MEDiTOP physical database.
•Managing Database Performance & Tuning.
•Implemented and maintain database security (users’ roles and privileges) at back end oracle database.
•Implemented application security (user creation, assigning, revoking, responsibilities to users) using ATI MEDiTOP module security and control.
•Planned growth and changes (capacity Planning) for the oracle database
OTHER DUTIES:
•Planning and implementation the RAC with two node for database node.
•Planning and implementation of Dataguard.
•Responsible for 24x7 production environment and provided on call and day to day support.
•Planned and implemented the backup and recovery solution for 24x7 Production environment.
•Take care of the Database design and implementation
•Implement and maintain database security (create and maintain users and roles, assign privileges) as well application security creating, assigning, revoking
•Responsibilities to users.
oDo application tuning and performance monitoring
oSetup and maintain documentation and standards
oDo general technical trouble shooting and give consultation to development
•Understanding ATI MEDiTOP ERP with its Business Logic by reviewing Oracle Developer based Development and creating PL/SQL (DML & Query).
•Developed Unix shell scripts to upload & download data into/from Database using SQL* Loader.
•Continuous Reviewing ATI MEDiTOP ERP modules for successful implementation which adhere me to Enhanced ATI MEDiTOP ERP modules by adding Corporate Functionality
I have expertise on the following programming tools and languages:
• Oracle PL/SQL Developer
• Toad
• Oracle 10g
• Oracle Developer 6i
• Erwin
I have worked on the following projects:
• Human Resource
• Material Management
• Security & Control
• Oracle RAC implementation
• Oracle Data Guard
Above is my current responsibilities which i showed the same in my previous ACS assesment,can I get new assesment as few of them in the above bolded responsibilities which i mentioned in my previous ACS assesment for 2231-79 (Oracle Specialist). I mean to say to be reassessed under a different code like Analyst programmer (261311),Developer programmer (261312),Software engineer (261313) for my case will not conflict to the accesor as i have already provided him in my previous assesment for the above bolded responsibilities.
Jul 10th 2010, 3:37 am
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Posts: 119
Re: 2231-79 ( network security )
Dear All,
Kindly guide ma about the following query.
I have received my ACS letter on 16 Feb 2010 for ASCO code 2231-79 (network security). Now tell me whether i should go for a re-assessment or apply another new assessment for Telecom / network engineer according to ANZSCO????
Is their any relevant match for ASCO code 2231-79 ( network security ) in all 4 schedules (new SOL).
Please all senior member and migration agents reply with a clear and valid answer.
Regards
Kindly guide ma about the following query.
I have received my ACS letter on 16 Feb 2010 for ASCO code 2231-79 (network security). Now tell me whether i should go for a re-assessment or apply another new assessment for Telecom / network engineer according to ANZSCO????
Is their any relevant match for ASCO code 2231-79 ( network security ) in all 4 schedules (new SOL).
Please all senior member and migration agents reply with a clear and valid answer.
Regards
