I don't understand Canada

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Old Dec 15th 2003, 7:51 pm
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I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.

One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or a college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use to be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour work job here.

So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new immigrants every year ?

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Thats quite right. Immigration gives sense of security for a more cilised society to lot of people from 3rd World countries. Other than that economy in Canada was always slow and relative to other nations its not the most promising choice for someone who wants to make it big. Remember everything I am saying is comparative and relative to something else.

OOOOO Canada..!!





Originally posted by FAFA
I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.

One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or a college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use to be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour work job here.

So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new immigrants every year ?
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Old Dec 15th 2003, 8:22 pm
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    > So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    > immigrants every year ?

That is quite clear
1) Government get 200000 x application fee yeach year (actually more because
lots of people are rejected)
2) Army of immigration consultants rip off applicants and pay taxes.
Otherwise they will all have to go
for unemployment





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Old Dec 15th 2003, 8:26 pm
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"FAFA" --

Jobs are not the sole basis for an immigration decision.
There are several other factors that you take into account when deciding
where you want to live for the rest of your life, and raise a family too.
Things like quality of life, cultural values, ethical and political values,
and so on.
Canadian economy has always been (and probably will be for the foreseable
future) subservient to the US economy.
It is heavily dependent on the US economy and is affected by the slightest
hint of slowdown.

Also, whenever you move from one country to the other (especially across the
world), you always need to start from scratch.
You cannot expect that you will pick-up in a new country where you leave off
in your old country.
It is not like changing jobs within your own country.

Hope this answers your questions.

"FAFA" <member17720@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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    > I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.
    > One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in
    > Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or
    > a college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use
    > to be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour
    > work job here.
    > So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    > immigrants every year ?
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Dec 15th 2003, 8:31 pm
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A very negative outlook, my friend.
I don't think it is right to blame the govt. for everything.

"Thehelper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > >
    > > So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    > > immigrants every year ?
    > That is quite clear
    > 1) Government get 200000 x application fee yeach year (actually more
because
    > lots of people are rejected)
    > 2) Army of immigration consultants rip off applicants and pay taxes.
    > Otherwise they will all have to go
    > for unemployment
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Dec 15th 2003, 8:33 pm
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"Marshall P. Knutt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > A very negative outlook, my friend.
    > I don't think it is right to blame the govt. for everything.

I don't blame government. People who do go to canada have to realize what is
happening

    > "Thehelper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    > > > immigrants every year ?
    > >
    > > That is quite clear
    > > 1) Government get 200000 x application fee yeach year (actually more
    > because
    > > lots of people are rejected)
    > > 2) Army of immigration consultants rip off applicants and pay taxes.
    > > Otherwise they will all have to go
    > > for unemployment
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >
    > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    > >
    > >
 
Old Dec 15th 2003, 9:07 pm
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WebCrawler is quite right here.

If you are after better job and better pay then don't emigrate permanently
from your home country - find job and get work permit in Canada or another
country instead. Permanent immigration is for people who's motives are quite
different than just better job. Permanent immigration is not for migrate
workers who look all the time for "greener pasture" - immigration is for
people who want to make their new permanent home in another country and are
willing to sacrifice everything to succeed, to suffer financial losses and
to take quite few years to adapt to new country, to change their profession
and gain new skills that will allow them to integrate in new community.

Those who are immigrating to Canada because they want a "better job" or
better pay will be terribly disappointed.

Please read "Diary of new immigrant" (series of 4 articles - links below)
from Province newspaper and you'll see what are some of quite logical
reasons for immigration to Canada:

http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...6-517f401c4eca

http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...4-31d057098c12

http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...8-88ec4bffc71e

http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...2-417849de7c86


--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"WebCrawler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "FAFA" --
    > Jobs are not the sole basis for an immigration decision.
    > There are several other factors that you take into account when deciding
    > where you want to live for the rest of your life, and raise a family too.
    > Things like quality of life, cultural values, ethical and political
values,
    > and so on.
    > Canadian economy has always been (and probably will be for the foreseable
    > future) subservient to the US economy.
    > It is heavily dependent on the US economy and is affected by the slightest
    > hint of slowdown.
    > Also, whenever you move from one country to the other (especially across
the
    > world), you always need to start from scratch.
    > You cannot expect that you will pick-up in a new country where you leave
off
    > in your old country.
    > It is not like changing jobs within your own country.
    > Hope this answers your questions.
    > "FAFA" <member17720@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in
    > > Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or
    > > a college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use
    > > to be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour
    > > work job here.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    > > immigrants every year ?
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
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Originally posted by FAFA
I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.

One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or a college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use to be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour work job here.

So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new immigrants every year ?
In my opinion this has nothing to do with the government feeling good about all the "3rd world" people who want to come to canada, or the revenue generated by fees etc,

The problem is that to practice as a professional engineer, or doctor or whatever you need the approval of the provincial engineering / medical board, and it is not in the interest of these bodies to allow a flood of newly qualified practishioners, as this will reduce the demand for their existing members services, and less demand equals less pay. This protectionism is to be expected, as these bodies are funded by their members for precisely this reason, to protect the members interests.

The federal government looks at the big picture and says, hey, we are short of doctors, engineers, whatever, lets let x thousand new immigrants in as skilled workers. But they seem to have no control over the governing bodies to allow these new immigrants to practice in their chosen fields, hence the need for new immigrants to do low level work, or internships or whatever in order to satisfy the provincial licensing body that they have canadian experience. What would make the system fairer is for the Feds to persuade the licensing bodies to be more open minded when it comes to equivalent experience or qualifications.

It is all very frustrating for experienced professionals whose experience is considered worthless because it is not in Canada. Canada is a great country, but experience here is not so very different to experience elsewhere.

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Old Dec 15th 2003, 9:52 pm
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very good articles. thanks

Originally posted by Andrew Miller
WebCrawler is quite right here.

If you are after better job and better pay then don't emigrate permanently
from your home country - find job and get work permit in Canada or another
country instead. Permanent immigration is for people who's motives are quite
different than just better job. Permanent immigration is not for migrate
workers who look all the time for "greener pasture" - immigration is for
people who want to make their new permanent home in another country and are
willing to sacrifice everything to succeed, to suffer financial losses and
to take quite few years to adapt to new country, to change their profession
and gain new skills that will allow them to integrate in new community.

Those who are immigrating to Canada because they want a "better job" or
better pay will be terribly disappointed.

Please read "Diary of new immigrant" (series of 4 articles - links below)
from Province newspaper and you'll see what are some of quite logical
reasons for immigration to Canada:

http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...6-517f401c4eca

http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...4-31d057098c12

http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...8-88ec4bffc71e

http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...2-417849de7c86


--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"WebCrawler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "FAFA" --
    > Jobs are not the sole basis for an immigration decision.
    > There are several other factors that you take into account when deciding
    > where you want to live for the rest of your life, and raise a family too.
    > Things like quality of life, cultural values, ethical and political
values,
    > and so on.
    > Canadian economy has always been (and probably will be for the foreseable
    > future) subservient to the US economy.
    > It is heavily dependent on the US economy and is affected by the slightest
    > hint of slowdown.
    > Also, whenever you move from one country to the other (especially across
the
    > world), you always need to start from scratch.
    > You cannot expect that you will pick-up in a new country where you leave
off
    > in your old country.
    > It is not like changing jobs within your own country.
    > Hope this answers your questions.
    > "FAFA" <member17720@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in
    > > Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or
    > > a college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use
    > > to be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour
    > > work job here.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    > > immigrants every year ?
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
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Old Dec 15th 2003, 9:56 pm
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Techlover, here are some further reasons other than $$ to consider coming to
Canada:

1). Overall outstanding human rights record (see Amnesty International's
website for detailed report).
2). Great post-secondary educational opportunities
3). Excellent recreational opportunities
4). Vibrant, diverse cities w/ cosmopolitan character & culture.

Just some food for thought...

Jerry



"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ugqDb.81193$bC.16603@clgrps13...
    > WebCrawler is quite right here.
    > If you are after better job and better pay then don't emigrate permanently
    > from your home country - find job and get work permit in Canada or another
    > country instead. Permanent immigration is for people who's motives are
quite
    > different than just better job. Permanent immigration is not for migrate
    > workers who look all the time for "greener pasture" - immigration is for
    > people who want to make their new permanent home in another country and
are
    > willing to sacrifice everything to succeed, to suffer financial losses and
    > to take quite few years to adapt to new country, to change their
profession
    > and gain new skills that will allow them to integrate in new community.
    > Those who are immigrating to Canada because they want a "better job" or
    > better pay will be terribly disappointed.
    > Please read "Diary of new immigrant" (series of 4 articles - links below)
    > from Province newspaper and you'll see what are some of quite logical
    > reasons for immigration to Canada:
http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...6-517f401c4eca
http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...4-31d057098c12
http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...8-88ec4bffc71e
http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...2-417849de7c86
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "WebCrawler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "FAFA" --
    > >
    > > Jobs are not the sole basis for an immigration decision.
    > > There are several other factors that you take into account when deciding
    > > where you want to live for the rest of your life, and raise a family
too.
    > > Things like quality of life, cultural values, ethical and political
    > values,
    > > and so on.
    > > Canadian economy has always been (and probably will be for the
foreseable
    > > future) subservient to the US economy.
    > > It is heavily dependent on the US economy and is affected by the
slightest
    > > hint of slowdown.
    > >
    > > Also, whenever you move from one country to the other (especially across
    > the
    > > world), you always need to start from scratch.
    > > You cannot expect that you will pick-up in a new country where you leave
    > off
    > > in your old country.
    > > It is not like changing jobs within your own country.
    > >
    > > Hope this answers your questions.
    > >
    > > "FAFA" <member17720@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in
    > > > Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or
    > > > a college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use
    > > > to be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour
    > > > work job here.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    > > > immigrants every year ?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    > >
    > >
 
Old Dec 15th 2003, 11:21 pm
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Andrew Miller wrote: "immigration is for people who want to make their new
permanent home in another country and are willing to sacrifice everything to
succeed, to suffer financial losses and to take quite few years to adapt to
new country, to change their profession and gain new skills that will allow
them to integrate in new community"

Thanks for posting that today, Mr. Miller, as well as for posting the links
to the articles that I will read later when I have time. I've been letting
myself fall prey to my frustrations in the past month more than I should be,
when I also have a lot of blessings in my new life here in Canada that are
infinitely more important.

I needed a good reminder that I'm stronger than any waiting period. I never
forget that the love I have in my life now is worth all the adjustments to a
new community and job market, not to mention the financial drain in the
beginning. Even when I seethe every time CIC increases their inland
estimates, I wouldn't give my new life up for *anything*.

Renee

--
Inland Spouse Timeline so far (U.S. Citizen):
19 Feb 2003: Moved to Calgary from U.S. on 6 month TRV
12 May 2003: Did medicals in Calgary
20 June 2003: Applied for TRV extension
5 July 2003: Wedding Date
17 July 2003: CIC received inland spouse PR application
15 Aug 2003: Received 6 month TRV extension
20 Aug 2003: CIC request for work history dates (which were sent with
application)
21 Aug 2003: CIC received work history reply by overnight post
4 Sept 2003: CIC e-Client finally shows "in process"


"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ugqDb.81193$bC.16603@clgrps13...
    > WebCrawler is quite right here.
    > If you are after better job and better pay then don't emigrate permanently
    > from your home country - find job and get work permit in Canada or another
    > country instead. Permanent immigration is for people who's motives are
quite
    > different than just better job. Permanent immigration is not for migrate
    > workers who look all the time for "greener pasture" - immigration is for
    > people who want to make their new permanent home in another country and
are
    > willing to sacrifice everything to succeed, to suffer financial losses and
    > to take quite few years to adapt to new country, to change their
profession
    > and gain new skills that will allow them to integrate in new community.
    > Those who are immigrating to Canada because they want a "better job" or
    > better pay will be terribly disappointed.
    > Please read "Diary of new immigrant" (series of 4 articles - links below)
    > from Province newspaper and you'll see what are some of quite logical
    > reasons for immigration to Canada:
http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...6-517f401c4eca
http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...4-31d057098c12
http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...8-88ec4bffc71e
http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...2-417849de7c86
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "WebCrawler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "FAFA" --
    > >
    > > Jobs are not the sole basis for an immigration decision.
    > > There are several other factors that you take into account when deciding
    > > where you want to live for the rest of your life, and raise a family
too.
    > > Things like quality of life, cultural values, ethical and political
    > values,
    > > and so on.
    > > Canadian economy has always been (and probably will be for the
foreseable
    > > future) subservient to the US economy.
    > > It is heavily dependent on the US economy and is affected by the
slightest
    > > hint of slowdown.
    > >
    > > Also, whenever you move from one country to the other (especially across
    > the
    > > world), you always need to start from scratch.
    > > You cannot expect that you will pick-up in a new country where you leave
    > off
    > > in your old country.
    > > It is not like changing jobs within your own country.
    > >
    > > Hope this answers your questions.
    > >
    > > "FAFA" <member17720@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in
    > > > Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or
    > > > a college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use
    > > > to be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour
    > > > work job here.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    > > > immigrants every year ?
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    > >
    > >
 
Old Dec 15th 2003, 11:51 pm
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Hang in there, Renee, and good luck!

Jerry

"Renee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5esDb.718762$pl3.637788@pd7tw3no...
    > Andrew Miller wrote: "immigration is for people who want to make their
new
    > permanent home in another country and are willing to sacrifice everything
to
    > succeed, to suffer financial losses and to take quite few years to adapt
to
    > new country, to change their profession and gain new skills that will
allow
    > them to integrate in new community"
    > Thanks for posting that today, Mr. Miller, as well as for posting the
links
    > to the articles that I will read later when I have time. I've been
letting
    > myself fall prey to my frustrations in the past month more than I should
be,
    > when I also have a lot of blessings in my new life here in Canada that are
    > infinitely more important.
    > I needed a good reminder that I'm stronger than any waiting period. I
never
    > forget that the love I have in my life now is worth all the adjustments to
a
    > new community and job market, not to mention the financial drain in the
    > beginning. Even when I seethe every time CIC increases their inland
    > estimates, I wouldn't give my new life up for *anything*.
    > Renee
    > --
    > Inland Spouse Timeline so far (U.S. Citizen):
    > 19 Feb 2003: Moved to Calgary from U.S. on 6 month TRV
    > 12 May 2003: Did medicals in Calgary
    > 20 June 2003: Applied for TRV extension
    > 5 July 2003: Wedding Date
    > 17 July 2003: CIC received inland spouse PR application
    > 15 Aug 2003: Received 6 month TRV extension
    > 20 Aug 2003: CIC request for work history dates (which were sent with
    > application)
    > 21 Aug 2003: CIC received work history reply by overnight post
    > 4 Sept 2003: CIC e-Client finally shows "in process"
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:ugqDb.81193$bC.16603@clgrps13...
    > > WebCrawler is quite right here.
    > >
    > > If you are after better job and better pay then don't emigrate
permanently
    > > from your home country - find job and get work permit in Canada or
another
    > > country instead. Permanent immigration is for people who's motives are
    > quite
    > > different than just better job. Permanent immigration is not for migrate
    > > workers who look all the time for "greener pasture" - immigration is for
    > > people who want to make their new permanent home in another country and
    > are
    > > willing to sacrifice everything to succeed, to suffer financial losses
and
    > > to take quite few years to adapt to new country, to change their
    > profession
    > > and gain new skills that will allow them to integrate in new community.
    > >
    > > Those who are immigrating to Canada because they want a "better job" or
    > > better pay will be terribly disappointed.
    > >
    > > Please read "Diary of new immigrant" (series of 4 articles - links
below)
    > > from Province newspaper and you'll see what are some of quite logical
    > > reasons for immigration to Canada:
    > >
    > >
http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...6-517f401c4eca
    > >
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http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...4-31d057098c12
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http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...8-88ec4bffc71e
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http://www.canada.com/search/story.a...2-417849de7c86
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    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
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    > > "WebCrawler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > "FAFA" --
    > > >
    > > > Jobs are not the sole basis for an immigration decision.
    > > > There are several other factors that you take into account when
deciding
    > > > where you want to live for the rest of your life, and raise a family
    > too.
    > > > Things like quality of life, cultural values, ethical and political
    > > values,
    > > > and so on.
    > > > Canadian economy has always been (and probably will be for the
    > foreseable
    > > > future) subservient to the US economy.
    > > > It is heavily dependent on the US economy and is affected by the
    > slightest
    > > > hint of slowdown.
    > > >
    > > > Also, whenever you move from one country to the other (especially
across
    > > the
    > > > world), you always need to start from scratch.
    > > > You cannot expect that you will pick-up in a new country where you
leave
    > > off
    > > > in your old country.
    > > > It is not like changing jobs within your own country.
    > > >
    > > > Hope this answers your questions.
    > > >
    > > > "FAFA" <member17720@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > >
    > > > > I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in
    > > > > Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or
    > > > > a college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use
    > > > > to be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour
    > > > > work job here.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    > > > > immigrants every year ?
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > --
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Old Dec 16th 2003, 12:17 am
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Default Re: I don't understand Canada

Originally posted by FAFA

Also, you have to pay high tax in Canada, and people who are out of jobs in Canada can get some decent money from gov ( I heard) . That's no good, bad for economy. people will get no motivation to work hard.

May be I am wrong since I have never been to Canada before.

No offence to Canada, just want to discuss with you guys.
I am getting really sick of the Canada = High Taxes thing.

OK, Canada has higher personal taxes than the US, but I do not have to pay medical insurance premiums, or pay to send my kids to a half decent school. The roads here even get resurfaced occasionally.

At the end of the day, to a large extent you get what you pay for, and you are correct about the quality of life factor. I would much rather my taxes were spent on healthcare and education than on billion dollar military aircraft. Part of the reason the US gets away with low taxation is that it runs at a huge (and growing) deficit, which in the long run is no good for anyone.

I think that the effect of an entire stata of society living below the poverty line with no welfare safety net is equally bad , if not worse for an economy, and is a big driving force behind some of the more unsavioury aspects to life in the US. Until you have lost your job through no fault of your own, you really do not appreciate how good it is to have a backup system.

The welfare system in Canada is a step up from food stamps and soup kitchens, but remember that there are two tiers. When you have a job, you pay into an Employment Insurance fund (EI), the more you earn, the more you pay, and the more it pays out if you lose your job( up to ~$1700 per month for a limited time). As its name indicates, it is insurance (albeit mandatory), and helps soften the blow till you get back on your feet. It is nowhere near the income you were earning before, so trust me, you have plenty of motivation to get another job.

Below this are welfare payments, which offer very limited funds and assistance with housing costs, and to say this encourages people not to work is an insult to all those who are desperate to work but cannot get a break. I am sure that many of these people are also extremely grateful for free healthcare and drug plans as well, despite the shortcomings in the system.

My experience has been that unlike the UK, in Canada qualifications can only get you so far, and to land a job you have to make a network of contacts, cold call employers, and basically sell yourself, which is difficult for some people to do, especially if you are used to your qualifications and CV speaking for you, in some cultures this would be considered downright pushy and rude. It is very much a case of who you know and not what you know. I was very lucky that my particular skills and experience were not available in Canada, so they came looking for me.

Compared to the UK, where i came from, I pay lower taxes, get paid more for the same job, have much lower living expenses, I also spend less time in traffic, and enjoy a much better quality of life. Wild horses would not drag me back now.

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Old Dec 16th 2003, 12:49 am
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I agree about the professional issue. I tihnk it is a form of self
protectionism, every professional body thinks it's people are the best
and anyone from outside is inferior. I think it is most evident in the
medical profession where no matter how good a doctor you are you are
pretty much screwed if you didn't go through the system in the country
you are residing in. I know there is a huge problem in the UK as well
with foreign professionals and medical professionals who can't practice
because the in house professional bodies won't license them.


On the economy side one thing I think people often fail to realise is
the reality of Canada as a nation. It may be the 2nd biggest nation on
earth in terms of physical size but it only has a population of 30
million people, and that population is heavily localised around only a
few metropolitan centres and all near the US border. Compare that to the
UK where the population is 60 million, twice as many as in Canada, and
yet the country is smaller than most Canadian provinces. Compare it to
the US to the south which may be slightly smaller in physical size yet
has a population of over 290 million people. That's 10 times the
population of Canada in a similar sized country. So is it any wonder
that the US economy is so much bigger. If Canada has an unemployment
rate of say 7% then that's about 2.1 million unemployed people. If the
US has an unemployment rate of say 6% then that is about 20 million
unemplyed people, so that's like most of the population of Canada being
unemployed. So if you see the amount of jobs the US economy would have
to create to move down to say 5% is a lot more than Canada would to move
down to say 6%. So sure Canada has a higher unemployment rate (for now
but I am sure Bush can beat it if he (doesn't) try hard enough) but
that's still a lot less unempkoyed people to support. It is no wonder
the US doesn't want too big a social welfare system given the amount of
people it would have to support, and I believe that is probably one of
the attractions of Canada over the US, and the same with the attraction
of the UK. If you thought you might end up an unemplyed immigrant where
would you rather be? In Canada where you get at least some social
assistance and healthcare etc or in the US with pretty much nothing?


iaink wrote:

    > Originally posted by FAFA
    >
    >
    >>I was surfing the web and reading the news/articles about Canada.
    >
    >
    >
    >>One thing looks strange to me is that the unemployeement rate in
    >>Canada is high, and a lot of new immigrantes can not find a job or a
    >>college major related job, And a lot of new immigrants who use to
    >>be preffesionals in their own countries have to find a labour work
    >>job here.
    >
    >
    >
    >>So with all this, why Canada is still trying to get about 200K new
    >>immigrants every year ?
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > In my opinion this has nothing to do with the government feeling good
    > about all the "3rd world" people who want to come to canada, or the
    > revenue generated by fees etc,
    >
    >
    >
    > The problem is that to practice as a professional engineer, or doctor or
    > whatever you need the approval of the provincial engineering / medical
    > board, and it is not in the interest of these bodies to allow a flood of
    > newly qualified practishioners, as this will reduce the demand for their
    > existing members services, and less demand equals less pay. This
    > protectionism is to be expected, as these bodies are funded by their
    > members for precisely this reason, to protect the members interests.
    >
    >
    >
    > The federal government looks at the big picture and says, hey, we are
    > short of doctors, engineers, whatever, lets let x thousand new
    > immigrants in as skilled workers. But they seem to have no control
    > over the governing bodies to allow these new immigrants to practice in
    > their chosen fields, hence the need for new immigrants to do low level
    > work, or internships or whatever in order to satisfy the provincial
    > licensing body that they have canadian experience. What would make the
    > system fairer is for the Feds to persuade the licensing bodies to be
    > more open minded when it comes to equivalent experience or
    > qualifications.
    >
    >
    >
    > It is all very frustrating for experienced professionals whose
    > experience is considered worthless because it is not in Canada. Canada
    > is a great country, but experience here is not so very different to
    > experience elsewhere.
    >
    >
    >
    > Iain
    >
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Old Dec 16th 2003, 1:02 am
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Default Re: I don't understand Canada

FAFA <member17720@british_expats.com> wrote:


    >Also, you have to pay high tax in Canada, and people who are out of jobs
    >in Canada can get some decent money from gov ( I heard) . That's no
    >good, bad for economy. people will get no motivation to work hard.

Haha. You will not make a very good Canadian socialist, with this
good insight.



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