iaink

1. The government makes no money from the application fees. CIC is not allowed to operate at a surplus, all fees pay for background checks, and the necessary army of beaurocrats, so all that money just pays for the service offered.

2. Most people do not use immigration consultants. If you do use a consultant, at least have the sense to use an accredited consultant, so you dont get "ripped off".

3. OK, the government taxes the consultants, but I am sure they make a lot more revenue from taxing the income on immigrants who do "make it" and earn a half decent salary...I know I am doing my bit to swell the coffers!

4. Yes, it will cost you at first, but in the long run, why would the government want you to fail and be on welfare, so it has to pump more resources into you? In the end there is a net drain on the economy. Surely it is more in the governments interest for immigrants to succeed, so that more tax can be raised. Isnt the whole point of most of the CIC process to try and select those most likely to make a go of it in Canada?

Self-esteem is not dished out by the government, so do not go taring all immigrants with the same brush.

Iain

Virtual King

"Andrew Miller" worte:

    > If you are after better job and better pay then don't emigrate permanently
    > from your home country.

I totally agree with you Mr. Miller. Yeah, wise advices comes after
you make mistakes. I already made a mistake.

    > Those who are immigrating to Canada because they want a "better job" or
    > better pay will be terribly disappointed.

Better job, better pay ... Yeah, being a professional engineer, i am
selling cellular phones.

Thanx O o Canada. I Love You !!!!!!!!!

Chorbalan

iaink wrote:

    >
    > OK, Canada has higher personal taxes than the US, but I do not have to
    > pay medical insurance premiums,

I pay $200 monthly, both dental & medical, for a family of three. It is
not nearly as bad as you want it to be.

    >.. or pay to send my kids to a half decent
    > school.

I hear schools in Canada are not any better and it does make sense
since Canada is the little sister copy cat of the US..

    > Part of the reason the US gets away with low
    > taxation is that it runs at a huge (and growing) deficit, which in the
    > long run is no good for anyone.

The world works for the US, that is the reason..

    > I think that the effect of an entire stata of society living below the
    > poverty line with no welfare safety net is equally bad , if not worse
    > for an economy, and is a big driving force behind some of the more
    > unsavioury aspects to life in the US.

Last May in Vancouver I was astounded to see so many beggers I felt like
in San Francisco..

    > Until you have lost your job
    > through no fault of your own, you really do not appreciate how good it
    > is to have a backup system.

One should always have a backup..


    > ......... When you have a job,
    > you pay into an Employment Insurance fund (EI), the more you earn, the
    > more you pay, and the more it pays out if you lose your job( up to
    > ~$1700 per month for a limited time). As its name indicates, it is
    > insurance (albeit mandatory), and helps soften the blow till you get
    > back on your feet.

Same in the USA..



    > Compared to the UK, where i came from, I pay lower taxes, get paid more
    > for the same job, have much lower living expenses, I also spend less
    > time in traffic, and enjoy a much better quality of life. Wild horses
    > would not drag me back now.

Than what the hell are you doing in Canada ?

Slymaple

Austin <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > FAFA wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > The "quality of life" in Canada is very good, I know for the past few
    > > years, Canada has been rated as the best place to live on earth.
    >
    >
    > You are right to have put it in quotes, because it's a joke. How can
    > live have quality if there are no jobs for life ? The reality is that

Jobs for life? - Only the communist and socialist gov't gives you a
job for life (wage is another matter though). Even in the US hi-tech
jobs are not safe and being outsource offshore...

    > it takes a year to get a permanent big-mac type of job in Canada and
    > no way to get a qualified one - they keep them for canadian Canadians

-- Again depends on the kind of skills you have. Maybe I'm lucky that
I'm in the IT industry and still finds the same job here in toronto...
And I'm not a Canadian ....yet

    > only, if available at all.. And all this bill-shit - "it is not for
    > the money, it is for the country, you have to take the shit because
    > it is worth" etc... is nonsense..
    > I wonder how could they have possibly rated Canada as one of the best -
    > were they blind or retarded. One should be deaf to have a life in the
    > particle board shacks they call houses there, and the city layout is
    > almost as shitty as the US one - in fact most do not fit the notion
    > of "city" for us.. and no jobs at all - not good jobs, but any !

-- Either you are so picky of the job... The way you are whining
now... I could sense the bitternest in your post. If you feel that
your life is better before in your home country than now, why don't
you go back to where you came from? After all the city here do not
seem to pass your living standard... The houses are bad for you... You
cannot get a job (for life)...


    > Immigrants should consider Canada if they want to retire there - to
    > have a career in Canada is so difficult it is not worth to try it.
    > May be a good choice if you come from a shit-hole country that any
    > place else is better..

-- I moved from the US.

FAFA

Hi Slymaple

Is .Net hot in Canada ?
Thanks

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R Obert

iaink <member16059@british_expats.com> wrote:

    >Quite what the war in Iraq has to do with candadian immigration is
    >beyond me. Dont tell me that this war in Iraq is my battle, I want
    >nothing to do with it. While on the subject I dont see any WMDs being
    >found or any links to Al Qaeda (unlike Saudi Arabia) but at least the

Because you're terribly naive, and easily duped.


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R Obert

[email protected] (Virtual King) wrote:

    >> Those who are immigrating to Canada because they want a "better job" or
    >> better pay will be terribly disappointed.
    >Better job, better pay ... Yeah, being a professional engineer, i am
    >selling cellular phones.
    >Thanx O o Canada. I Love You !!!!!!!!!

You're being cynical, right? Lol.

You came over as an engineer, and want to do that in Canada, but
cannot find work in the area?

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www.numbersusa.com
www.americanpatrol.com

iaink

Right back at you, you really think this is about WMDs???

Iain

Mr Lee

Unfortunately Iain, R Edneck R Obert probably still does. Another poor American hoodwinked by the lies of Bush and Blair, spoonfed propaganda by the right wing media that gently lull his countrymates into a false sense of insecurity.
As the late, great Bill Hicks once said "GO BACK TO SLEEP AMERICA..."

What gets me, is that somebody like NOB-ert comes on this forum purely to slag off Canada and the people who want to move there. All his (or her - could be a woman) views seem to reflect those of what much of the world has come to think of as the stereotypical American.
Loud, ignorant, opinionated, ill-informed and, let's not beat around the Bush here (pun intended), pretty ****ing stupid.
He/she seems to spend his/her time making smart-arsed comments about the naivety and selfishness of others whilst showing him/herself up to be poorly educated and incredibly blinkered in his/her outpourings.
In a way, I pity poor R Edneck, sitting hunched over a PC, perhaps surrounded by militaria and porn, a Fox owned TV channel flickering in the background, having nothing better to do in life than berate a country that more civilised Americans - and there are plenty of them - wish theirs' was like. He/she should really get out more or perhaps visit some different websites.
I could suggest www.whatreallyhappened.com for one.
Unless he/she has something helpful and constructive to add to a discussion for and about those wishing to emigrate to Canada and let's face it - he or she hasn't so far - then I suggest he/she keeps their petty-minded opinions to themselves.
And yes, I know by posting this I'm not adhering to those criteria but I feel that somebody had to make the point.
Thank you and goodnight...

Austin

slymaple wrote:

    >> You are right to have put it in quotes, because it's a joke. How can
    >> live have quality if there are no jobs for life ? The reality is that
    >
    > Jobs for life? - Only the communist and socialist gov't gives you a
    > job for life (wage is another matter though). Even in the US hi-tech
    > jobs are not safe and being outsource offshore...

What I meant is "jobs to support one's living", not jobs for a life time..
As for the US hi-tech jobs - yeah, I should know - I got fired once..
But looking for a job here is nowhere as shitty as in Canada, where
they have this attitude of being the best and most special on Earth
and as ignorant as they might be they count on Canadian only experience..


    >........ Maybe I'm lucky that
    > I'm in the IT industry and still finds the same job here in toronto...
    > And I'm not a Canadian ....yet

No shit ! Given the job market conditions all over the US and your
statement one have to conclude there were never many IT jobs in Toronto..


    > -- Either you are so picky of the job... The way you are whining
    > now... I could sense the bitternest in your post.

Bitterness - yes. Canada ADVERTISES on the TV in my country how it
dearly needs people with degrees and skills, but that is actually a
lie ! I spent time and money just to find out it was only a way to
trick you out and take your money. Now I am in the US, working happily,
got my EAD and GC is coming in 3-4 more months etc...

    >......The houses are bad for you... You

Oh yeah - great houses, great technology ! Gimme a break !
Unfortunately here in the US people live in shacks too...

iaink

If you believe every advert you see on TV, you had better be carefull! The US is a much larger country, obviously with more jobs to go after, but then there are also more people going after them too. I am glad that things are working out for you there. How long were you in Canada? Where were you trying to make home? How long did you spend trying to get a crappy internship type position to get the necessary "canadian experience"? The more specific information you feel you can give, the more helpful it is to others weighing up coming to Canada. Just slaming the place does not really add to the debate.

At the end of the day having a job that interests you and pays enough to live comfortably is a large part of settling happily, and the Canadian government could certainly do more to force the governing bodies to recognise other experience and qualifications, but there are many other reasons to settle in canada other than strictly economic ones, and they have been described in this forum many times.

You say you are working hapilly in the states. Does this mean you are settled and would call the place home or that you are going to stay a while to earn some good money and then leave?

I guess it is up to every individual to weigh up the pros and cons and make a well informed decision, that is why these forums are so helpfull, as they give some insight into real peoples experiences. Canada is not the US, for some that is part of the attraction, for others it is part of the problem. I'm glad you are happy now.

Good Luck

Iain

Thehelper

    > 1. The government makes no money from the application fees. CIC is not
    > allowed to operate at a surplus, all fees pay for background checks,
    > and the necessary army of beaurocrats, so all that money just pays
    > for the service offered.

well, government bureacrats are getting nice salary. it does not matter

    > 2. Most people do not use immigration consultants. If you do use a
    > consultant, at least have the sense to use an accredited consultant,
    > so you dont get "ripped off".

you think if you use accredited consultant, you will not bet "ripped off"?

    > 3. OK, the government taxes the consultants, but I am sure they make a
    > lot more revenue from taxing the income on immigrants who do "make
    > it" and earn a half decent salary...I know I am doing my bit to swell
    > the coffers!

????. do is really matter?

    > 4. Yes, it will cost you at first, but in the long run, why would the
    > government want you to fail and be on welfare, so it has to pump
    > more resources into you? In the end there is a net drain on the
    > economy. Surely it is more in the governments interest for

that is the good question. so, why is canadian government doing that?

Thehelper

"Mr Lee" <member17362@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Originally posted by iaink
    > > Right back at you, you really think this is about WMDs???
    > >
    > > Iain
    > Unfortunately Iain, R Edneck R Obert probably still does. Another poor
    > American hoodwinked by the lies of Bush and Blair, spoonfed propaganda
    > by the right wing media that gently lull his countrymates into a false
    > sense of insecurity.
    > As the late, great Bill Hicks once said "GO BACK TO SLEEP AMERICA..."
    > What gets me, is that somebody like NOB-ert comes on this forum purely
    > to slag off Canada and the people who want to move there. All his (or
    > her - could be a woman) views seem to reflect those of what much of the
    > world has come to think of as the stereotypical American.
    > Loud, ignorant, opinionated, ill-informed and, let's not beat around the
    > Bush here (pun intended), pretty ****ing stupid.


    > He/she seems to spend his/her time making smart-arsed comments about the
    > naivety and selfishness of others whilst showing him/herself up to be
    > poorly educated and incredibly blinkered in his/her outpourings.
    > In a way, I pity poor N O B-less, sitting hunched over a PC, perhaps in
    > semen-spattered trousers, surrounded by militaria and porn, a Fox owned
    > TV channel flickering in the background, having nothing better to do in
    > life than berate a country that more civilised Americans - and there are
    > plenty of them - wish theirs' was like. He/she should really get out
    > more. Perhaps visit some different websites.

wow, you really know the subject about "semen-spattered trousers". may
be you can tell us more about your jerking off habits? when you are
"surrounded by porn".
real jerk off pro seen in this message

iaink

If it "does not matter" why bring it up in the first palce?

The aim of the process is for canada as a whole (including all the immigrants) to grow stronger. Unfortunately the canadian government is not able to guarantee that everyone who comes here will make a great sucess of their new life, some people through no fault of their own do not thrive here, but many do.

If you feel "the arriving person is just worthless dirty doormat, who nobody be thinking twice to throw in the garbage" I doubt if it has anything to do with Canada in particular. In my experience Canadians as a whole do not judge you by your job or how much you earn or where you are from or what car you drive, In my experience they judge you by how you behave and what kind of person you are, this is one of the reasons I like Canada so much.

Iain

PS Yes, I really do think that if you feel the need for help with your application, if you use an accredited consultant, bother to check their references etc, then you will not get ripped off, I am equally sure that there are plenty of Sharks out there as well, so "Buyer Beware"

Slymaple

Funny you ask that. Just yesterday there was a spirited debate in our
engineering group whether they use Java or .Net in re-designing our
product line. Honestly I don't know. I work mostly on back-end systems
so it does not matter much to me how the apps are designed. ...

FAFA <member17720@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Hi Slymaple
    >
    >
    >
    > Is .Net hot in Canada ?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >
    >
    > Originally posted by Slymaple
    >
    > > Austin <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > > > FAFA wrote:
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > > > The "quality of life" in Canada is very good, I know for the
    > > past few
    >
    > > > > years, Canada has been rated as the best place to live on
    > > earth.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > You are right to have put it in quotes, because it's a joke. How
    > > can
    >
    > > > live have quality if there are no jobs for life ? The reality is
    > > that
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Jobs for life? - Only the communist and socialist gov't gives you a
    >
    > > job for life (wage is another matter though). Even in the US hi-tech
    >
    > > jobs are not safe and being outsource offshore...
    >
    > >
    >
    > > > it takes a year to get a permanent big-mac type of job in Canada
    > > and
    >
    > > > no way to get a qualified one - they keep them for canadian
    > > Canadians
    >
    > >
    >
    > > -- Again depends on the kind of skills you have. Maybe I'm lucky that
    >
    > > I'm in the IT industry and still finds the same job here in toronto...
    >
    > > And I'm not a Canadian ....yet
    >
    > >
    >
    > > > only, if available at all.. And all this bill-shit - "it is not
    > > for
    >
    > > > the money, it is for the country, you have to take the shit
    > > because
    >
    > > > it is worth" etc... is nonsense..
    >
    > > > I wonder how could they have possibly rated Canada as one of the
    > > best -
    >
    > > > were they blind or retarded. One should be deaf to have a life
    > > in the
    >
    > > > particle board shacks they call houses there, and the city
    > > layout is
    >
    > > > almost as shitty as the US one - in fact most do not fit the
    > > notion
    >
    > > > of "city" for us.. and no jobs at all - not good jobs, but any
    > > !
    >
    > >
    >
    > > -- Either you are so picky of the job... The way you are whining
    >
    > > now... I could sense the bitternest in your post. If you feel that
    >
    > > your life is better before in your home country than now, why don't
    >
    > > you go back to where you came from? After all the city here do not
    >
    > > seem to pass your living standard... The houses are bad for you... You
    >
    > > cannot get a job (for life)...
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    >
    > > > Immigrants should consider Canada if they want to retire there -
    > > to
    >
    > > > have a career in Canada is so difficult it is not worth to try
    > > it.
    >
    > > > May be a good choice if you come from a shit-hole country that
    > > any
    >
    > > > place else is better..
    >
    > >
    >
    > -- I moved from the US.