canadian advantage
Apr 20th 2003, 3:53 am
#1
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Re: canadian advantage
Anyway, if the original poster wants some idea of the disadvantages of
renouncing his Canadian citizenship, it's basically losing all the
rights of being a Canadian. Including the following:
- he can no longer live, work or study freely in Canada
- he can no longer use a Canadian passport
- he can no longer vote in Canada, hold public office there, or be
employed by the Canadian government.
- he can no longer pass on Canadian citizenship to children born
outside Canada
- he can no longer sponsor spouses or other relatives to live in
Canada.
There are probably a few other disadvantages as well.
To cap it all, if he does renounce Canadian citizenship, he *cannot*
get it back later on if he changes his mind. He would have to
re-qualify for Canadian permanent residence like any other foreigner
and subsequently apply for naturalisation in Canada. The only
concession Canada makes to former Canadian citizens is reducing the
naturalisation residence period from three years to one. However, the
requirement to qualify for PR from scratch makes this an
insurmountable obstacle for most former Canadians.
If the original poster's employer is really insisting that he formally
renounces his Canadian citizenship, and is legally entitled to request
this (eg if there is a security clearance issue), the person concerned
should seriously consider finding alternative employment and keeping
his Canadian citizenship intact.
Even if he does renounce his Canadian citizenship, he could still be
denied security clearance on other grounds, eg having foreign (ie
Canadian) spouse or children, having friends and social ties to
Canada, owning property in Canada etc.
Jeremy
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:30:42 -0400, "Chris" wrote:
>Hi Andrew, from the original post I understood that his particular employer
>wants him to renounce the Canadian citizenship "unless I can come up with a
>legal advantage to keeping my Canadian
>citizenship". I don't know if "legal advantage" is "security clearance".
>Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about that particular
>employer, is it any military or intelligence one, maybe Homeland
>Security/FBI/CIA, etc.?
>Chris
>"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Yes, I know that he is. But for certain level of security clearance he
>must
>> have loyalty to US only, thus cannot have any dual citizenship. And if
>this
>> is the case then employer may demand him dropping his Canadian
>citizenship.
>> --
>> ../..
>> Andrew Miller
>> Immigration Consultant
>> Vancouver, British Columbia
>> email: [email protected]
>> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
>> For confidential phone consultation go here:
>> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
>> ________________________________
>> "Mickey" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > But he is a US citizen.
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
renouncing his Canadian citizenship, it's basically losing all the
rights of being a Canadian. Including the following:
- he can no longer live, work or study freely in Canada
- he can no longer use a Canadian passport
- he can no longer vote in Canada, hold public office there, or be
employed by the Canadian government.
- he can no longer pass on Canadian citizenship to children born
outside Canada
- he can no longer sponsor spouses or other relatives to live in
Canada.
There are probably a few other disadvantages as well.
To cap it all, if he does renounce Canadian citizenship, he *cannot*
get it back later on if he changes his mind. He would have to
re-qualify for Canadian permanent residence like any other foreigner
and subsequently apply for naturalisation in Canada. The only
concession Canada makes to former Canadian citizens is reducing the
naturalisation residence period from three years to one. However, the
requirement to qualify for PR from scratch makes this an
insurmountable obstacle for most former Canadians.
If the original poster's employer is really insisting that he formally
renounces his Canadian citizenship, and is legally entitled to request
this (eg if there is a security clearance issue), the person concerned
should seriously consider finding alternative employment and keeping
his Canadian citizenship intact.
Even if he does renounce his Canadian citizenship, he could still be
denied security clearance on other grounds, eg having foreign (ie
Canadian) spouse or children, having friends and social ties to
Canada, owning property in Canada etc.
Jeremy
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:30:42 -0400, "Chris" wrote:
>Hi Andrew, from the original post I understood that his particular employer
>wants him to renounce the Canadian citizenship "unless I can come up with a
>legal advantage to keeping my Canadian
>citizenship". I don't know if "legal advantage" is "security clearance".
>Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about that particular
>employer, is it any military or intelligence one, maybe Homeland
>Security/FBI/CIA, etc.?
>Chris
>"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Yes, I know that he is. But for certain level of security clearance he
>must
>> have loyalty to US only, thus cannot have any dual citizenship. And if
>this
>> is the case then employer may demand him dropping his Canadian
>citizenship.
>> --
>> ../..
>> Andrew Miller
>> Immigration Consultant
>> Vancouver, British Columbia
>> email: [email protected]
>> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
>> For confidential phone consultation go here:
>> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
>> ________________________________
>> "Mickey" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > But he is a US citizen.
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Apr 21st 2003, 12:59 am
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canadian advantage
I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a
few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
--
Tom Storm
employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a
few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
--
Tom Storm
Apr 21st 2003, 1:37 am
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74
Re: canadian advantage
As far as I've read on the US Immigration site, Canadian citizenship does NOT need to be renounced. I'm a Canadian married to a US citizen, and when it comes time for me to apply for US citizenship, I can keep my Canadian citizenship. I don't think your employer has the right to ask you to do that, you might want to check with a lawyer.
>>>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>>.
Originally posted by Thomas Storm
I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a
few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
--
Tom Storm
I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a
few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
--
Tom Storm
Apr 21st 2003, 2:17 am
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Re: canadian advantage
Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right to
interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally
entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you have
the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with this
stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be sure
that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to
support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the company?) a
very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
Good Luck.
Chris in Toronto
"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
> unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a
> few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> --
> Tom Storm
interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally
entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you have
the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with this
stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be sure
that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to
support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the company?) a
very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
Good Luck.
Chris in Toronto
"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
> unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a
> few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> --
> Tom Storm
Apr 21st 2003, 2:22 am
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Re: canadian advantage
Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if position
requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in
Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Chris" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right to
> interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally
> entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you have
> the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with this
> stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be
sure
> that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
> I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to
> support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the company?)
a
> very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> Good Luck.
> Chris in Toronto
> "Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
> > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are
a
> > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> > --
> > Tom Storm
requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in
Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Chris" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right to
> interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally
> entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you have
> the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with this
> stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be
sure
> that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
> I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to
> support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the company?)
a
> very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> Good Luck.
> Chris in Toronto
> "Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
> > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are
a
> > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> > --
> > Tom Storm
Apr 21st 2003, 2:46 am
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Re: canadian advantage
But he is a US citizen.
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if position
> requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in
> Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Chris" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right to
> > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally
> > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you
have
> > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with
this
> > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be
> sure
> > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
> > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to
> > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the
company?)
> a
> > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> > Good Luck.
> > Chris in Toronto
> >
> > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want
to)
> > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What
are
> a
> > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> > > --
> > > Tom Storm
> >
> >
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if position
> requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in
> Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Chris" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right to
> > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally
> > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you
have
> > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with
this
> > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be
> sure
> > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
> > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to
> > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the
company?)
> a
> > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> > Good Luck.
> > Chris in Toronto
> >
> > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want
to)
> > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What
are
> a
> > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> > > --
> > > Tom Storm
> >
> >
Apr 21st 2003, 2:51 am
#7
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Re: canadian advantage
Yes, I know that he is. But for certain level of security clearance he must
have loyalty to US only, thus cannot have any dual citizenship. And if this
is the case then employer may demand him dropping his Canadian citizenship.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Mickey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> But he is a US citizen.
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if position
> > requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in
> > Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> >
> > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> >
> > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Chris" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right
to
> > > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are
legally
> > > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you
> have
> > > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with
> this
> > > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him,
be
> > sure
> > > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
> > > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to
> > > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the
> company?)
> > a
> > > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> > > Good Luck.
> > > Chris in Toronto
> > >
> > > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> > > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want
> to)
> > > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> > > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What
> are
> > a
> > > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> > > > --
> > > > Tom Storm
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
have loyalty to US only, thus cannot have any dual citizenship. And if this
is the case then employer may demand him dropping his Canadian citizenship.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
For confidential phone consultation go here:
http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
________________________________
"Mickey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> But he is a US citizen.
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if position
> > requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in
> > Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> >
> > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> >
> > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Chris" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right
to
> > > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are
legally
> > > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you
> have
> > > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with
> this
> > > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him,
be
> > sure
> > > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
> > > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to
> > > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the
> company?)
> > a
> > > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> > > Good Luck.
> > > Chris in Toronto
> > >
> > > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> > > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want
> to)
> > > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> > > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What
> are
> > a
> > > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> > > > --
> > > > Tom Storm
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Apr 21st 2003, 3:30 am
#8
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Re: canadian advantage
Hi Andrew, from the original post I understood that his particular employer
wants him to renounce the Canadian citizenship "unless I can come up with a
legal advantage to keeping my Canadian
citizenship". I don't know if "legal advantage" is "security clearance".
Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about that particular
employer, is it any military or intelligence one, maybe Homeland
Security/FBI/CIA, etc.?
Chris
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes, I know that he is. But for certain level of security clearance he
must
> have loyalty to US only, thus cannot have any dual citizenship. And if
this
> is the case then employer may demand him dropping his Canadian
citizenship.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Mickey" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > But he is a US citizen.
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if
position
> > > requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in
> > > Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > >
> > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > >
> > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Chris" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right
> to
> > > > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are
> legally
> > > > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen,
you
> > have
> > > > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with
> > this
> > > > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him,
> be
> > > sure
> > > > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
> > > > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT
to
> > > > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the
> > company?)
> > > a
> > > > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> > > > Good Luck.
> > > > Chris in Toronto
> > > >
> > > > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my
american
> > > > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't
want
> > to)
> > > > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> > > > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any.
What
> > are
> > > a
> > > > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> > > > > --
> > > > > Tom Storm
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
wants him to renounce the Canadian citizenship "unless I can come up with a
legal advantage to keeping my Canadian
citizenship". I don't know if "legal advantage" is "security clearance".
Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about that particular
employer, is it any military or intelligence one, maybe Homeland
Security/FBI/CIA, etc.?
Chris
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes, I know that he is. But for certain level of security clearance he
must
> have loyalty to US only, thus cannot have any dual citizenship. And if
this
> is the case then employer may demand him dropping his Canadian
citizenship.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> For confidential phone consultation go here:
> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> ________________________________
> "Mickey" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > But he is a US citizen.
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if
position
> > > requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in
> > > Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > >
> > > For confidential phone consultation go here:
> > >
> > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Chris" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right
> to
> > > > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are
> legally
> > > > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen,
you
> > have
> > > > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with
> > this
> > > > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him,
> be
> > > sure
> > > > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly.
> > > > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT
to
> > > > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the
> > company?)
> > > a
> > > > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> > > > Good Luck.
> > > > Chris in Toronto
> > > >
> > > > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my
american
> > > > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't
want
> > to)
> > > > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> > > > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any.
What
> > are
> > > a
> > > > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> > > > > --
> > > > > Tom Storm
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Apr 21st 2003, 8:51 am
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Re: canadian advantage
Hi Chris
I feel for Thomas too, but suspect that there would be a problem in
some circumstances even if his second citizenship was British or
Australian, rather than Canadian.
Obviously it's his call. I would take the view that a job is a
transient thing, but citizenship is a lifetime thing. I would be very
reluctant to trade in Canadian citizenship just for a particular job
in the US - it might be better to find a different job that did not
demand one becoming an alien in Canada.
Jeremy
>On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:44:14 -0400, "Chris" wrote:
>Hi Thomas, first of all I truly feel very bad for you. You are just a victim
>of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible PM
>puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political agenda.
>He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his
>stupid foreign policy? we, the ordinary Canadian citizens. And in case you
>did not know, 54% of Canadians outside Quebec supported the war in Iraq, but
>80% of those in Quebec were against. He is French-Canadian, and a coward.
>I am Canadian citizen as well (very pro-American), but I am afraid to say
>that your employer has the moral right, at least, to ask you to renounce
>your Canadian citizenship. I don't blame your employer at all.
>Now it's up to you if you're gonna do it (get rid of the Canadian
>citizenship) or not. Jeremy (JAJ) sent you some very important facts about
>the advantages of keeping the Canadian citizenship. Read them very carefully
>and see if you really need the Canadian citizenship. Also think about your
>future, your professional career, if you really LOVE your profession and
>really think that you are going to have a future working in the US military,
>then, what can I say... Also, think for yourself: "do I feel myself more US
>than Canadian citizen?" But whatever final decision you take, do NOT flip
>the coin! Consult with your wife or the rest of your family, see what they
>have to say. And if you finally will have to renounce the Canadian
>citizenship, do not forget to send a SPECIAL letter to Mr. Jean Chretien,
>the only one that made you to give up the right to be a Canadian citizen.
>Sad story my friend!
>All the best in life and God Bless America.
>Chris in Toronto
>PS I am not an immigration expert, nor a life/labor adviser. Just a very
>down-to-earth, regular citizen.
>"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> > accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's
>> > position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the
>> > owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
>> Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on...
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
I feel for Thomas too, but suspect that there would be a problem in
some circumstances even if his second citizenship was British or
Australian, rather than Canadian.
Obviously it's his call. I would take the view that a job is a
transient thing, but citizenship is a lifetime thing. I would be very
reluctant to trade in Canadian citizenship just for a particular job
in the US - it might be better to find a different job that did not
demand one becoming an alien in Canada.
Jeremy
>On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:44:14 -0400, "Chris" wrote:
>Hi Thomas, first of all I truly feel very bad for you. You are just a victim
>of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible PM
>puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political agenda.
>He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his
>stupid foreign policy? we, the ordinary Canadian citizens. And in case you
>did not know, 54% of Canadians outside Quebec supported the war in Iraq, but
>80% of those in Quebec were against. He is French-Canadian, and a coward.
>I am Canadian citizen as well (very pro-American), but I am afraid to say
>that your employer has the moral right, at least, to ask you to renounce
>your Canadian citizenship. I don't blame your employer at all.
>Now it's up to you if you're gonna do it (get rid of the Canadian
>citizenship) or not. Jeremy (JAJ) sent you some very important facts about
>the advantages of keeping the Canadian citizenship. Read them very carefully
>and see if you really need the Canadian citizenship. Also think about your
>future, your professional career, if you really LOVE your profession and
>really think that you are going to have a future working in the US military,
>then, what can I say... Also, think for yourself: "do I feel myself more US
>than Canadian citizen?" But whatever final decision you take, do NOT flip
>the coin! Consult with your wife or the rest of your family, see what they
>have to say. And if you finally will have to renounce the Canadian
>citizenship, do not forget to send a SPECIAL letter to Mr. Jean Chretien,
>the only one that made you to give up the right to be a Canadian citizen.
>Sad story my friend!
>All the best in life and God Bless America.
>Chris in Toronto
>PS I am not an immigration expert, nor a life/labor adviser. Just a very
>down-to-earth, regular citizen.
>"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> > accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's
>> > position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the
>> > owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
>> Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on...
This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Apr 21st 2003, 6:33 pm
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Re: canadian advantage
> I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
The word is renounce, not denounce.
> unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> citizenship.
Do you mind if we ask why? Is there a security clearance issue
involved, or does your employer just not like people with
dual citizenship?
Stephen
> employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to)
The word is renounce, not denounce.
> unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian
> citizenship.
Do you mind if we ask why? Is there a security clearance issue
involved, or does your employer just not like people with
dual citizenship?
Stephen
Apr 21st 2003, 8:22 pm
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Re: canadian advantage
> accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's
> position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the
> owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on...
> position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the
> owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on...
Apr 21st 2003, 8:30 pm
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Re: canadian advantage
> clearance". Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about
> that particular employer, is it any military or intelligence one,
> maybe Homeland Security/FBI/CIA, etc.?
Yes, it's the military, and I require a rather high clearance for my job
(nuclear-based). But I was told before I enlisted that being a Canadian
for this job was fine. It wasn't until a couple days ago that they told me
it wasn't. Now they're calling me things like "traitor," "lowly excuse for
a human being," etc., because I'm refusing to renounce my citizenship.
I called the Office of the Inspector General this afternoon asking for
advice, and they are opening an investigation in the matter. I'll still
most likely be seperated from the military, though. And that will probably
had negative impacts on my future employment...
> that particular employer, is it any military or intelligence one,
> maybe Homeland Security/FBI/CIA, etc.?
Yes, it's the military, and I require a rather high clearance for my job
(nuclear-based). But I was told before I enlisted that being a Canadian
for this job was fine. It wasn't until a couple days ago that they told me
it wasn't. Now they're calling me things like "traitor," "lowly excuse for
a human being," etc., because I'm refusing to renounce my citizenship.
I called the Office of the Inspector General this afternoon asking for
advice, and they are opening an investigation in the matter. I'll still
most likely be seperated from the military, though. And that will probably
had negative impacts on my future employment...
Apr 21st 2003, 10:43 pm
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Re: canadian advantage
[email protected] (Stephen Gallagher) wrote in message news:...
> Do you mind if we ask why? Is there a security clearance issue
> involved, or does your employer just not like people with
> dual citizenship?
>
> Stephen
Here are a couple interesting examples of the U.S. Government
stripping U.S. citizens of their security clearances based on their
having additional citizenships (or more specifically on having and
using non-U.S. passports):
http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...-01490.h1.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...0-0127.h1.html
> Do you mind if we ask why? Is there a security clearance issue
> involved, or does your employer just not like people with
> dual citizenship?
>
> Stephen
Here are a couple interesting examples of the U.S. Government
stripping U.S. citizens of their security clearances based on their
having additional citizenships (or more specifically on having and
using non-U.S. passports):
http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...-01490.h1.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...0-0127.h1.html
Apr 22nd 2003, 12:28 am
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Re: canadian advantage
The USA has the right to choose who works for them.
>Subject: Re: canadian advantage
>From: Thomas Storm [email protected]
>Date: 4/21/03 5:30 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>> clearance". Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about
>> that particular employer, is it any military or intelligence one,
>> maybe Homeland Security/FBI/CIA, etc.?
>Yes, it's the military, and I require a rather high clearance for my job
>(nuclear-based). But I was told before I enlisted that being a Canadian
>for this job was fine. It wasn't until a couple days ago that they told me
>it wasn't. Now they're calling me things like "traitor," "lowly excuse for
>a human being," etc., because I'm refusing to renounce my citizenship.
>I called the Office of the Inspector General this afternoon asking for
>advice, and they are opening an investigation in the matter. I'll still
>most likely be seperated from the military, though. And that will probably
>had negative impacts on my future employment...
>Subject: Re: canadian advantage
>From: Thomas Storm [email protected]
>Date: 4/21/03 5:30 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>> clearance". Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about
>> that particular employer, is it any military or intelligence one,
>> maybe Homeland Security/FBI/CIA, etc.?
>Yes, it's the military, and I require a rather high clearance for my job
>(nuclear-based). But I was told before I enlisted that being a Canadian
>for this job was fine. It wasn't until a couple days ago that they told me
>it wasn't. Now they're calling me things like "traitor," "lowly excuse for
>a human being," etc., because I'm refusing to renounce my citizenship.
>I called the Office of the Inspector General this afternoon asking for
>advice, and they are opening an investigation in the matter. I'll still
>most likely be seperated from the military, though. And that will probably
>had negative impacts on my future employment...
Apr 22nd 2003, 12:44 am
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Re: canadian advantage
Hi Thomas, first of all I truly feel very bad for you. You are just a victim
of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible PM
puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political agenda.
He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his
stupid foreign policy? we, the ordinary Canadian citizens. And in case you
did not know, 54% of Canadians outside Quebec supported the war in Iraq, but
80% of those in Quebec were against. He is French-Canadian, and a coward.
I am Canadian citizen as well (very pro-American), but I am afraid to say
that your employer has the moral right, at least, to ask you to renounce
your Canadian citizenship. I don't blame your employer at all.
Now it's up to you if you're gonna do it (get rid of the Canadian
citizenship) or not. Jeremy (JAJ) sent you some very important facts about
the advantages of keeping the Canadian citizenship. Read them very carefully
and see if you really need the Canadian citizenship. Also think about your
future, your professional career, if you really LOVE your profession and
really think that you are going to have a future working in the US military,
then, what can I say... Also, think for yourself: "do I feel myself more US
than Canadian citizen?" But whatever final decision you take, do NOT flip
the coin! Consult with your wife or the rest of your family, see what they
have to say. And if you finally will have to renounce the Canadian
citizenship, do not forget to send a SPECIAL letter to Mr. Jean Chretien,
the only one that made you to give up the right to be a Canadian citizen.
Sad story my friend!
All the best in life and God Bless America.
Chris in Toronto
PS I am not an immigration expert, nor a life/labor adviser. Just a very
down-to-earth, regular citizen.
"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's
> > position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the
> > owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on...
of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible PM
puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political agenda.
He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his
stupid foreign policy? we, the ordinary Canadian citizens. And in case you
did not know, 54% of Canadians outside Quebec supported the war in Iraq, but
80% of those in Quebec were against. He is French-Canadian, and a coward.
I am Canadian citizen as well (very pro-American), but I am afraid to say
that your employer has the moral right, at least, to ask you to renounce
your Canadian citizenship. I don't blame your employer at all.
Now it's up to you if you're gonna do it (get rid of the Canadian
citizenship) or not. Jeremy (JAJ) sent you some very important facts about
the advantages of keeping the Canadian citizenship. Read them very carefully
and see if you really need the Canadian citizenship. Also think about your
future, your professional career, if you really LOVE your profession and
really think that you are going to have a future working in the US military,
then, what can I say... Also, think for yourself: "do I feel myself more US
than Canadian citizen?" But whatever final decision you take, do NOT flip
the coin! Consult with your wife or the rest of your family, see what they
have to say. And if you finally will have to renounce the Canadian
citizenship, do not forget to send a SPECIAL letter to Mr. Jean Chretien,
the only one that made you to give up the right to be a Canadian citizen.
Sad story my friend!
All the best in life and God Bless America.
Chris in Toronto
PS I am not an immigration expert, nor a life/labor adviser. Just a very
down-to-earth, regular citizen.
"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's
> > position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the
> > owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on...