Re: canadian advantage
Anyway, if the original poster wants some idea of the disadvantages of
renouncing his Canadian citizenship, it's basically losing all the rights of being a Canadian. Including the following: - he can no longer live, work or study freely in Canada - he can no longer use a Canadian passport - he can no longer vote in Canada, hold public office there, or be employed by the Canadian government. - he can no longer pass on Canadian citizenship to children born outside Canada - he can no longer sponsor spouses or other relatives to live in Canada. There are probably a few other disadvantages as well. To cap it all, if he does renounce Canadian citizenship, he *cannot* get it back later on if he changes his mind. He would have to re-qualify for Canadian permanent residence like any other foreigner and subsequently apply for naturalisation in Canada. The only concession Canada makes to former Canadian citizens is reducing the naturalisation residence period from three years to one. However, the requirement to qualify for PR from scratch makes this an insurmountable obstacle for most former Canadians. If the original poster's employer is really insisting that he formally renounces his Canadian citizenship, and is legally entitled to request this (eg if there is a security clearance issue), the person concerned should seriously consider finding alternative employment and keeping his Canadian citizenship intact. Even if he does renounce his Canadian citizenship, he could still be denied security clearance on other grounds, eg having foreign (ie Canadian) spouse or children, having friends and social ties to Canada, owning property in Canada etc. Jeremy >On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 23:30:42 -0400, "Chris" wrote: >Hi Andrew, from the original post I understood that his particular employer >wants him to renounce the Canadian citizenship "unless I can come up with a >legal advantage to keeping my Canadian >citizenship". I don't know if "legal advantage" is "security clearance". >Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about that particular >employer, is it any military or intelligence one, maybe Homeland >Security/FBI/CIA, etc.? >Chris >"Andrew Miller" wrote in message >news:[email protected]... >> Yes, I know that he is. But for certain level of security clearance he >must >> have loyalty to US only, thus cannot have any dual citizenship. And if >this >> is the case then employer may demand him dropping his Canadian >citizenship. >> -- >> ../.. >> Andrew Miller >> Immigration Consultant >> Vancouver, British Columbia >> email: [email protected] >> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) >> For confidential phone consultation go here: >> http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada >> ________________________________ >> "Mickey" wrote in message >> news:[email protected]... >> > But he is a US citizen. This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction |
canadian advantage
I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to) unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Tom Storm |
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As far as I've read on the US Immigration site, Canadian citizenship does NOT need to be renounced. I'm a Canadian married to a US citizen, and when it comes time for me to apply for US citizenship, I can keep my Canadian citizenship. I don't think your employer has the right to ask you to do that, you might want to check with a lawyer.
>>>>>>>>>>. Originally posted by Thomas Storm I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to) unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Tom Storm |
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Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right to
interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you have the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with this stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be sure that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen? Good Luck. Chris in Toronto "Thomas Storm" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to) > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > -- > Tom Storm |
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Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if position
requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only. -- ../.. Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email: [email protected] (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) For confidential phone consultation go here: http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada ________________________________ "Chris" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right to > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you have > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with this > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be sure > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly. > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the company?) a > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen? > Good Luck. > Chris in Toronto > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message > news:[email protected]... > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to) > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are a > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > -- > > Tom Storm |
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But he is a US citizen.
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if position > requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in > Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only. > -- > ../.. > Andrew Miller > Immigration Consultant > Vancouver, British Columbia > email: [email protected] > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) > For confidential phone consultation go here: > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada > ________________________________ > "Chris" wrote in message > news:[email protected]... > > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right to > > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally > > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you have > > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with this > > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be > sure > > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly. > > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to > > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the company?) > a > > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen? > > Good Luck. > > Chris in Toronto > > > > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american > > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to) > > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian > > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What are > a > > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > > -- > > > Tom Storm > > > > |
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Yes, I know that he is. But for certain level of security clearance he must
have loyalty to US only, thus cannot have any dual citizenship. And if this is the case then employer may demand him dropping his Canadian citizenship. -- ../.. Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email: [email protected] (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) For confidential phone consultation go here: http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada ________________________________ "Mickey" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > But he is a US citizen. > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message > news:[email protected]... > > Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if position > > requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in > > Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only. > > > > -- > > > > ../.. > > > > Andrew Miller > > Immigration Consultant > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > email: [email protected] > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here: > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada > > ________________________________ > > > > > > "Chris" wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > > > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right to > > > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are legally > > > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you > have > > > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with > this > > > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, be > > sure > > > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly. > > > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to > > > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the > company?) > > a > > > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen? > > > Good Luck. > > > Chris in Toronto > > > > > > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message > > > news:[email protected]... > > > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american > > > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want > to) > > > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian > > > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What > are > > a > > > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > > > -- > > > > Tom Storm > > > > > > > > > > |
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Hi Andrew, from the original post I understood that his particular employer
wants him to renounce the Canadian citizenship "unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my Canadian citizenship". I don't know if "legal advantage" is "security clearance". Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about that particular employer, is it any military or intelligence one, maybe Homeland Security/FBI/CIA, etc.? Chris "Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Yes, I know that he is. But for certain level of security clearance he must > have loyalty to US only, thus cannot have any dual citizenship. And if this > is the case then employer may demand him dropping his Canadian citizenship. > -- > ../.. > Andrew Miller > Immigration Consultant > Vancouver, British Columbia > email: [email protected] > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) > For confidential phone consultation go here: > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada > ________________________________ > "Mickey" wrote in message > news:[email protected]... > > But he is a US citizen. > > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > > > Unfortunately employers have the right to hire only citizens if position > > > requires certain security clearance level. Same is happening here in > > > Canada - certain jobs are available to citizens only. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ../.. > > > > > > Andrew Miller > > > Immigration Consultant > > > Vancouver, British Columbia > > > email: [email protected] > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) > > > > > > For confidential phone consultation go here: > > > > > > http://members.yahoo.liveadvice.com/andrewmiller_canada > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > "Chris" wrote in message > > > news:[email protected]... > > > > Hi Tom, no employer in the world, including USA, has the legal right > to > > > > interfere with your dual/triple citizenship. As long as you are > legally > > > > entitled to work in US, and of course you are being a US citizen, you > > have > > > > the same rights as any other US resident. If he really persists with > > this > > > > stupid idea, just go to your local DA office and complain about him, > be > > > sure > > > > that the DA's office will instruct you accordingly. > > > > I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's position NOT to > > > > support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the owner of the > > company?) > > > a > > > > very and proud, patriotic, US citizen? > > > > Good Luck. > > > > Chris in Toronto > > > > > > > > "Thomas Storm" wrote in message > > > > news:[email protected]... > > > > > I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american > > > > > employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want > > to) > > > > > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian > > > > > citizenship. I know there are some, but I can't think of any. What > > are > > > a > > > > > few? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > > > > > -- > > > > > Tom Storm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Hi Chris
I feel for Thomas too, but suspect that there would be a problem in some circumstances even if his second citizenship was British or Australian, rather than Canadian. Obviously it's his call. I would take the view that a job is a transient thing, but citizenship is a lifetime thing. I would be very reluctant to trade in Canadian citizenship just for a particular job in the US - it might be better to find a different job that did not demand one becoming an alien in Canada. Jeremy >On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:44:14 -0400, "Chris" wrote: >Hi Thomas, first of all I truly feel very bad for you. You are just a victim >of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible PM >puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political agenda. >He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his >stupid foreign policy? we, the ordinary Canadian citizens. And in case you >did not know, 54% of Canadians outside Quebec supported the war in Iraq, but >80% of those in Quebec were against. He is French-Canadian, and a coward. >I am Canadian citizen as well (very pro-American), but I am afraid to say >that your employer has the moral right, at least, to ask you to renounce >your Canadian citizenship. I don't blame your employer at all. >Now it's up to you if you're gonna do it (get rid of the Canadian >citizenship) or not. Jeremy (JAJ) sent you some very important facts about >the advantages of keeping the Canadian citizenship. Read them very carefully >and see if you really need the Canadian citizenship. Also think about your >future, your professional career, if you really LOVE your profession and >really think that you are going to have a future working in the US military, >then, what can I say... Also, think for yourself: "do I feel myself more US >than Canadian citizen?" But whatever final decision you take, do NOT flip >the coin! Consult with your wife or the rest of your family, see what they >have to say. And if you finally will have to renounce the Canadian >citizenship, do not forget to send a SPECIAL letter to Mr. Jean Chretien, >the only one that made you to give up the right to be a Canadian citizen. >Sad story my friend! >All the best in life and God Bless America. >Chris in Toronto >PS I am not an immigration expert, nor a life/labor adviser. Just a very >down-to-earth, regular citizen. >"Thomas Storm" wrote in message >news:[email protected]... >> > accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's >> > position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the >> > owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen? >> Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on... This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction |
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> I'm a dual citizen of Canada and the United States, and my american
> employer wants me to denounce my canadian citizenship (I don't want to) The word is renounce, not denounce. > unless I can come up with a legal advantage to keeping my canadian > citizenship. Do you mind if we ask why? Is there a security clearance issue involved, or does your employer just not like people with dual citizenship? Stephen |
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> accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's
> position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the > owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen? Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on... |
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> clearance". Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about
> that particular employer, is it any military or intelligence one, > maybe Homeland Security/FBI/CIA, etc.? Yes, it's the military, and I require a rather high clearance for my job (nuclear-based). But I was told before I enlisted that being a Canadian for this job was fine. It wasn't until a couple days ago that they told me it wasn't. Now they're calling me things like "traitor," "lowly excuse for a human being," etc., because I'm refusing to renounce my citizenship. I called the Office of the Inspector General this afternoon asking for advice, and they are opening an investigation in the matter. I'll still most likely be seperated from the military, though. And that will probably had negative impacts on my future employment... |
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[email protected] (Stephen Gallagher) wrote in message news:...
> Do you mind if we ask why? Is there a security clearance issue > involved, or does your employer just not like people with > dual citizenship? > > Stephen Here are a couple interesting examples of the U.S. Government stripping U.S. citizens of their security clearances based on their having additional citizenships (or more specifically on having and using non-U.S. passports): http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...-01490.h1.html http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...0-0127.h1.html |
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The USA has the right to choose who works for them.
>Subject: Re: canadian advantage >From: Thomas Storm [email protected] >Date: 4/21/03 5:30 PM Atlantic Daylight Time >Message-id: >> clearance". Anyhow, I would be very curios to hear some details about >> that particular employer, is it any military or intelligence one, >> maybe Homeland Security/FBI/CIA, etc.? >Yes, it's the military, and I require a rather high clearance for my job >(nuclear-based). But I was told before I enlisted that being a Canadian >for this job was fine. It wasn't until a couple days ago that they told me >it wasn't. Now they're calling me things like "traitor," "lowly excuse for >a human being," etc., because I'm refusing to renounce my citizenship. >I called the Office of the Inspector General this afternoon asking for >advice, and they are opening an investigation in the matter. I'll still >most likely be seperated from the military, though. And that will probably >had negative impacts on my future employment... |
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Hi Thomas, first of all I truly feel very bad for you. You are just a victim
of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible PM puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political agenda. He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his stupid foreign policy? we, the ordinary Canadian citizens. And in case you did not know, 54% of Canadians outside Quebec supported the war in Iraq, but 80% of those in Quebec were against. He is French-Canadian, and a coward. I am Canadian citizen as well (very pro-American), but I am afraid to say that your employer has the moral right, at least, to ask you to renounce your Canadian citizenship. I don't blame your employer at all. Now it's up to you if you're gonna do it (get rid of the Canadian citizenship) or not. Jeremy (JAJ) sent you some very important facts about the advantages of keeping the Canadian citizenship. Read them very carefully and see if you really need the Canadian citizenship. Also think about your future, your professional career, if you really LOVE your profession and really think that you are going to have a future working in the US military, then, what can I say... Also, think for yourself: "do I feel myself more US than Canadian citizen?" But whatever final decision you take, do NOT flip the coin! Consult with your wife or the rest of your family, see what they have to say. And if you finally will have to renounce the Canadian citizenship, do not forget to send a SPECIAL letter to Mr. Jean Chretien, the only one that made you to give up the right to be a Canadian citizen. Sad story my friend! All the best in life and God Bless America. Chris in Toronto PS I am not an immigration expert, nor a life/labor adviser. Just a very down-to-earth, regular citizen. "Thomas Storm" wrote in message news:[email protected]... > > accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's > > position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the > > owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen? > Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on... |
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