canadian advantage
Apr 22nd 2003, 1:56 am
#16
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BS!
If that wasn't in your job requirement when you were hired, why would you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
Screw him
If that wasn't in your job requirement when you were hired, why would you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
Screw him
Apr 22nd 2003, 7:34 am
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Re: canadian advantage
It's a matter of choice a good job in the great USA (btw very few of meaningful
jobs in Canada if they exist that is) of Canadian citizenship where one is
jobless.
Your choice.
>Subject: Re: canadian advantage
>From: pero [email protected]
>Date: 4/21/03 10:56 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>BS!
>If that wasn't in your job requirement when you were hired, why would
>you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
>Screw him
>--
>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
jobs in Canada if they exist that is) of Canadian citizenship where one is
jobless.
Your choice.
>Subject: Re: canadian advantage
>From: pero [email protected]
>Date: 4/21/03 10:56 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>BS!
>If that wasn't in your job requirement when you were hired, why would
>you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
>Screw him
>--
>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Apr 22nd 2003, 8:36 pm
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Re: canadian advantage
> If that wasn't in your job requirement when you were hired, why would
> you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
Well, this "sucker" has a silver, spread eagle on his collar that says he
can do whatever the hell he wants. That's one of the reasons I called the
OIG yesterday. I thought something smelled rotten in the state of Denmark,
too.
> Screw him
I'd rather not. In fact, I feel sorry for his wife, since she kinda has
to.
> you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
Well, this "sucker" has a silver, spread eagle on his collar that says he
can do whatever the hell he wants. That's one of the reasons I called the
OIG yesterday. I thought something smelled rotten in the state of Denmark,
too.
> Screw him
I'd rather not. In fact, I feel sorry for his wife, since she kinda has
to.
Apr 22nd 2003, 8:39 pm
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Re: canadian advantage
> The USA has the right to choose who works for them.
Apparently, the USA also reserves the right to gratuitously breach the
contracts they sign as well (with no consequence to them, of course).
--
Tom Storm
Apparently, the USA also reserves the right to gratuitously breach the
contracts they sign as well (with no consequence to them, of course).
--
Tom Storm
Apr 22nd 2003, 9:05 pm
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Re: canadian advantage
Since your employer is the US military, the best option would be to change
your status and enlist. You could, most likely, get Warrant Officer status
and get your clearance through military channels.
"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > If that wasn't in your job requirement when you were hired, why would
> > you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
> Well, this "sucker" has a silver, spread eagle on his collar that says he
> can do whatever the hell he wants. That's one of the reasons I called the
> OIG yesterday. I thought something smelled rotten in the state of
Denmark,
> too.
> > Screw him
> I'd rather not. In fact, I feel sorry for his wife, since she kinda has
> to.
your status and enlist. You could, most likely, get Warrant Officer status
and get your clearance through military channels.
"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > If that wasn't in your job requirement when you were hired, why would
> > you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
> Well, this "sucker" has a silver, spread eagle on his collar that says he
> can do whatever the hell he wants. That's one of the reasons I called the
> OIG yesterday. I thought something smelled rotten in the state of
Denmark,
> too.
> > Screw him
> I'd rather not. In fact, I feel sorry for his wife, since she kinda has
> to.
Apr 23rd 2003, 12:47 am
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Re: canadian advantage
> > Do you mind if we ask why? Is there a security clearance issue
> > involved, or does your employer just not like people with
> > dual citizenship?
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Here are a couple interesting examples of the U.S. Government
> stripping U.S. citizens of their security clearances based on their
> having additional citizenships (or more specifically on having and
> using non-U.S. passports):
>
> http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...-01490.h1.html
> http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...0-0127.h1.html
The first case above is actually about a person who was allowed to
keep his security clearance. Only the second case deals with the
denial of a security clearance being renewed.
Stephen Gallagher
> > involved, or does your employer just not like people with
> > dual citizenship?
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Here are a couple interesting examples of the U.S. Government
> stripping U.S. citizens of their security clearances based on their
> having additional citizenships (or more specifically on having and
> using non-U.S. passports):
>
> http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...-01490.h1.html
> http://www.defenselink.mil/dodgc/doh...0-0127.h1.html
The first case above is actually about a person who was allowed to
keep his security clearance. Only the second case deals with the
denial of a security clearance being renewed.
Stephen Gallagher
Apr 23rd 2003, 3:00 am
#22
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 168
Re: canadian advantage
Originally posted by Thomas Storm
> If that wasn't in your job requirement when you were hired, why would
> you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
Well, this "sucker" has a silver, spread eagle on his collar that says he
can do whatever the hell he wants. That's one of the reasons I called the
OIG yesterday. I thought something smelled rotten in the state of Denmark,
too.
> Screw him
I'd rather not. In fact, I feel sorry for his wife, since she kinda has
to.
> If that wasn't in your job requirement when you were hired, why would
> you do that now ? Just because some sucker wants to ?
Well, this "sucker" has a silver, spread eagle on his collar that says he
can do whatever the hell he wants. That's one of the reasons I called the
OIG yesterday. I thought something smelled rotten in the state of Denmark,
too.
> Screw him
I'd rather not. In fact, I feel sorry for his wife, since she kinda has
to.
My opinion is that your country is where you live at. If you think you can not find a better opportunity than this one, this opportunity is definitevely going to improve your life, and you definetively think your future is in the US then do as your employer says. Personally I don´t think they will stop bothering you after you renounce to your canadian citizenship.
Think carefully about the future US. It is sad but from my point of view terrorism is going to affect them a lot more after this war.
Personally I prefer the maple leaf than the spread eagle.
Apr 23rd 2003, 4:20 am
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Re: canadian advantage
"Allinall" wrote in message
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> Personally I prefer the maple leaf than the spread eagle.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
And I got the "maple leaf" passport along with a "spread eagle" mind!
Chris in Toronto
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> Personally I prefer the maple leaf than the spread eagle.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
And I got the "maple leaf" passport along with a "spread eagle" mind!
Chris in Toronto
Apr 23rd 2003, 4:38 am
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Re: canadian advantage
No Jeremy, the issue involved here, as told by Thomas, is Iraq and nothing
else. Britain and Australia did not oppose this war, Canada did. There is no
ambiguity whatsoever. Not an easy job to be Canadian in US these days,
especially if you admit loudly that you are a proud Canadian. These days
'proud' means anti-American, that was said openly by a couple of Liberal
politicians and our PM did nothing to reprimand them. One proud Canadian,
back-bencher Carolyne Parrish said openly "I hate those bastards", the
Minister of Natural Resources said about the President of US that "he is not
a statesman", a while ago the PM's adviser called Bush a "moron". Therefore,
go to US and show these days your Canadian patriotism...
Otherwise, as I said before, as you said it as well, is just Thomas' call,
he is the only one to make a decision about his life, his future, his dual
citizenship. We have NO right to give him any advice in this extremely
important matter.
And in case you don't know, Bush has postponed his state visit to Canada
indefinitely until a new PM will replace JC. In the mean time, John Howard
will spend some relaxing time in Crawford, Texas, in exactly the same period
Bush was supposed to visit Canada. Friends and foes maybe?
Have a nice day.
Chris
"JAJ" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Chris
> I feel for Thomas too, but suspect that there would be a problem in
> some circumstances even if his second citizenship was British or
> Australian, rather than Canadian.
> Obviously it's his call. I would take the view that a job is a
> transient thing, but citizenship is a lifetime thing. I would be very
> reluctant to trade in Canadian citizenship just for a particular job
> in the US - it might be better to find a different job that did not
> demand one becoming an alien in Canada.
> Jeremy
> >On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:44:14 -0400, "Chris"
wrote:
> >Hi Thomas, first of all I truly feel very bad for you. You are just a
victim
> >of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible
PM
> >puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political
agenda.
> >He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his
> >stupid foreign policy? we, the ordinary Canadian citizens. And in case
you
> >did not know, 54% of Canadians outside Quebec supported the war in Iraq,
but
> >80% of those in Quebec were against. He is French-Canadian, and a coward.
> >I am Canadian citizen as well (very pro-American), but I am afraid to say
> >that your employer has the moral right, at least, to ask you to renounce
> >your Canadian citizenship. I don't blame your employer at all.
> >Now it's up to you if you're gonna do it (get rid of the Canadian
> >citizenship) or not. Jeremy (JAJ) sent you some very important facts
about
> >the advantages of keeping the Canadian citizenship. Read them very
carefully
> >and see if you really need the Canadian citizenship. Also think about
your
> >future, your professional career, if you really LOVE your profession and
> >really think that you are going to have a future working in the US
military,
> >then, what can I say... Also, think for yourself: "do I feel myself more
US
> >than Canadian citizen?" But whatever final decision you take, do NOT flip
> >the coin! Consult with your wife or the rest of your family, see what
they
> >have to say. And if you finally will have to renounce the Canadian
> >citizenship, do not forget to send a SPECIAL letter to Mr. Jean Chretien,
> >the only one that made you to give up the right to be a Canadian citizen.
> >Sad story my friend!
> >All the best in life and God Bless America.
> >Chris in Toronto
> >PS I am not an immigration expert, nor a life/labor adviser. Just a very
> >down-to-earth, regular citizen.
> >
> >"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> > accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's
> >> > position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the
> >> > owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> >>
> >> Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on...
> >
> >
> This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
else. Britain and Australia did not oppose this war, Canada did. There is no
ambiguity whatsoever. Not an easy job to be Canadian in US these days,
especially if you admit loudly that you are a proud Canadian. These days
'proud' means anti-American, that was said openly by a couple of Liberal
politicians and our PM did nothing to reprimand them. One proud Canadian,
back-bencher Carolyne Parrish said openly "I hate those bastards", the
Minister of Natural Resources said about the President of US that "he is not
a statesman", a while ago the PM's adviser called Bush a "moron". Therefore,
go to US and show these days your Canadian patriotism...
Otherwise, as I said before, as you said it as well, is just Thomas' call,
he is the only one to make a decision about his life, his future, his dual
citizenship. We have NO right to give him any advice in this extremely
important matter.
And in case you don't know, Bush has postponed his state visit to Canada
indefinitely until a new PM will replace JC. In the mean time, John Howard
will spend some relaxing time in Crawford, Texas, in exactly the same period
Bush was supposed to visit Canada. Friends and foes maybe?
Have a nice day.
Chris
"JAJ" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Chris
> I feel for Thomas too, but suspect that there would be a problem in
> some circumstances even if his second citizenship was British or
> Australian, rather than Canadian.
> Obviously it's his call. I would take the view that a job is a
> transient thing, but citizenship is a lifetime thing. I would be very
> reluctant to trade in Canadian citizenship just for a particular job
> in the US - it might be better to find a different job that did not
> demand one becoming an alien in Canada.
> Jeremy
> >On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:44:14 -0400, "Chris"
wrote:
> >Hi Thomas, first of all I truly feel very bad for you. You are just a
victim
> >of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible
PM
> >puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political
agenda.
> >He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his
> >stupid foreign policy? we, the ordinary Canadian citizens. And in case
you
> >did not know, 54% of Canadians outside Quebec supported the war in Iraq,
but
> >80% of those in Quebec were against. He is French-Canadian, and a coward.
> >I am Canadian citizen as well (very pro-American), but I am afraid to say
> >that your employer has the moral right, at least, to ask you to renounce
> >your Canadian citizenship. I don't blame your employer at all.
> >Now it's up to you if you're gonna do it (get rid of the Canadian
> >citizenship) or not. Jeremy (JAJ) sent you some very important facts
about
> >the advantages of keeping the Canadian citizenship. Read them very
carefully
> >and see if you really need the Canadian citizenship. Also think about
your
> >future, your professional career, if you really LOVE your profession and
> >really think that you are going to have a future working in the US
military,
> >then, what can I say... Also, think for yourself: "do I feel myself more
US
> >than Canadian citizen?" But whatever final decision you take, do NOT flip
> >the coin! Consult with your wife or the rest of your family, see what
they
> >have to say. And if you finally will have to renounce the Canadian
> >citizenship, do not forget to send a SPECIAL letter to Mr. Jean Chretien,
> >the only one that made you to give up the right to be a Canadian citizen.
> >Sad story my friend!
> >All the best in life and God Bless America.
> >Chris in Toronto
> >PS I am not an immigration expert, nor a life/labor adviser. Just a very
> >down-to-earth, regular citizen.
> >
> >"Thomas Storm" wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> > accordingly. I don't wanna guess but is this related with Canada's
> >> > position NOT to support the war in Iraq, and is your employer (the
> >> > owner of the company?) a very and proud, patriotic, US citizen?
> >>
> >> Yes, in fact, that's exactly what's going on...
> >
> >
> This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
Apr 23rd 2003, 6:46 am
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Re: canadian advantage
Way to go Chris! Keep the spirit!
>Subject: Re: canadian advantage
>From: "Chris" [email protected]
>Date: 4/23/03 1:20 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>"Allinall" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Personally I prefer the maple leaf than the spread eagle.
>> --
>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
>And I got the "maple leaf" passport along with a "spread eagle" mind!
>Chris in Toronto
>Subject: Re: canadian advantage
>From: "Chris" [email protected]
>Date: 4/23/03 1:20 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>"Allinall" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Personally I prefer the maple leaf than the spread eagle.
>> --
>> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
>And I got the "maple leaf" passport along with a "spread eagle" mind!
>Chris in Toronto
Apr 23rd 2003, 6:48 am
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Re: canadian advantage
5.5 Stars for chris, 5 being the highest
>Subject: Re: canadian advantage
>From: "Chris" [email protected]
>Date: 4/23/03 1:38 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>No Jeremy, the issue involved here, as told by Thomas, is Iraq and nothing
>else. Britain and Australia did not oppose this war, Canada did. There is no
>ambiguity whatsoever. Not an easy job to be Canadian in US these days,
>especially if you admit loudly that you are a proud Canadian. These days
>'proud' means anti-American, that was said openly by a couple of Liberal
>politicians and our PM did nothing to reprimand them. One proud Canadian,
>back-bencher Carolyne Parrish said openly "I hate those bastards", the
>Minister of Natural Resources said about the President of US that "he is not
>a statesman", a while ago the PM's adviser called Bush a "moron". Therefore,
>go to US and show these days your Canadian patriotism...
>Otherwise, as I said before, as you said it as well, is just Thomas' call,
>he is the only one to make a decision about his life, his future, his dual
>citizenship. We have NO right to give him any advice in this extremely
>important matter.
>And in case you don't know, Bush has postponed his state visit to Canada
>indefinitely until a new PM will replace JC. In the mean time, John Howard
>will spend some relaxing time in Crawford, Texas, in exactly the same period
>Bush was supposed to visit Canada. Friends and foes maybe?
>Have a nice day.
>Chris
>"JAJ" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Hi Chris
>> I feel for Thomas too, but suspect that there would be a problem in
>> some circumstances even if his second citizenship was British or
>> Australian, rather than Canadian.
>> Obviously it's his call. I would take the view that a job is a
>> transient thing, but citizenship is a lifetime thing. I would be very
>> reluctant to trade in Canadian citizenship just for a particular job
>> in the US - it might be better to find a different job that did not
>> demand one becoming an alien in Canada.
>> Jeremy
>> >On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:44:14 -0400, "Chris"
>wrote:
>> >Hi Thomas, first of all I truly feel very bad for you. You are just a
>victim
>> >of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible
>PM
>> >puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political
>agenda.
>> >He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his
>Subject: Re: canadian advantage
>From: "Chris" [email protected]
>Date: 4/23/03 1:38 AM Atlantic Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>No Jeremy, the issue involved here, as told by Thomas, is Iraq and nothing
>else. Britain and Australia did not oppose this war, Canada did. There is no
>ambiguity whatsoever. Not an easy job to be Canadian in US these days,
>especially if you admit loudly that you are a proud Canadian. These days
>'proud' means anti-American, that was said openly by a couple of Liberal
>politicians and our PM did nothing to reprimand them. One proud Canadian,
>back-bencher Carolyne Parrish said openly "I hate those bastards", the
>Minister of Natural Resources said about the President of US that "he is not
>a statesman", a while ago the PM's adviser called Bush a "moron". Therefore,
>go to US and show these days your Canadian patriotism...
>Otherwise, as I said before, as you said it as well, is just Thomas' call,
>he is the only one to make a decision about his life, his future, his dual
>citizenship. We have NO right to give him any advice in this extremely
>important matter.
>And in case you don't know, Bush has postponed his state visit to Canada
>indefinitely until a new PM will replace JC. In the mean time, John Howard
>will spend some relaxing time in Crawford, Texas, in exactly the same period
>Bush was supposed to visit Canada. Friends and foes maybe?
>Have a nice day.
>Chris
>"JAJ" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Hi Chris
>> I feel for Thomas too, but suspect that there would be a problem in
>> some circumstances even if his second citizenship was British or
>> Australian, rather than Canadian.
>> Obviously it's his call. I would take the view that a job is a
>> transient thing, but citizenship is a lifetime thing. I would be very
>> reluctant to trade in Canadian citizenship just for a particular job
>> in the US - it might be better to find a different job that did not
>> demand one becoming an alien in Canada.
>> Jeremy
>> >On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:44:14 -0400, "Chris"
>wrote:
>> >Hi Thomas, first of all I truly feel very bad for you. You are just a
>victim
>> >of the "Jean Chretien effect". It's not your fault that an irresponsible
>PM
>> >puts the interests of his own country at the back of his political
>agenda.
>> >He is going to retire in a couple of months, who is going to pay for his
Apr 23rd 2003, 1:13 pm
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Re: canadian advantage
[email protected] (Stephen Gallagher) wrote in message news:...
> The first case above is actually about a person who was allowed to
> keep his security clearance. Only the second case deals with the
> denial of a security clearance being renewed.
>
> Stephen Gallagher
You are correct. Because the first individual had never used an
Italian passport after becoming a U.S. citizen, and because he agreed
to renounce his Italian citizenship, he was allowed to keep his
security clearance. Still, it is clear from both decisions that the
U.S. Defense Department regards dual citizenship to be incompatible
with holding a security clearance.
> The first case above is actually about a person who was allowed to
> keep his security clearance. Only the second case deals with the
> denial of a security clearance being renewed.
>
> Stephen Gallagher
You are correct. Because the first individual had never used an
Italian passport after becoming a U.S. citizen, and because he agreed
to renounce his Italian citizenship, he was allowed to keep his
security clearance. Still, it is clear from both decisions that the
U.S. Defense Department regards dual citizenship to be incompatible
with holding a security clearance.
Apr 23rd 2003, 3:54 pm
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> terrorism is going to affect them a lot more after this war.
That's because Canada doesn't go around the world pissing people off.
> Personally I prefer the maple leaf than the spread eagle.
As do I.
That's because Canada doesn't go around the world pissing people off.
> Personally I prefer the maple leaf than the spread eagle.
As do I.
Apr 23rd 2003, 3:55 pm
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Re: canadian advantage
> And I got the "maple leaf" passport along with a "spread eagle" mind!
And I have the "maple leaf" heart, along with a "maple leaf" mind.
And I have the "maple leaf" heart, along with a "maple leaf" mind.
Apr 23rd 2003, 4:02 pm
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> did. There is no ambiguity whatsoever. Not an easy job to be Canadian
> in US these days, especially if you admit loudly that you are a proud
> Canadian. These days 'proud' means anti-American, that was said openly
I am a proud Canadian, but not Anti-American. That's the mindset of most
Americans right now (if you're not with us, you're against us). Americans
think that if you don't agree with 100% of what they have to say, you must
be an anti-American terrorist.
I have been and always will be a proud Canadian, no matter my location.
Everyone who knows me knows I'm Canadian, and that's how it always will be.
> decision about his life, his future, his dual citizenship. We have NO
> right to give him any advice in this extremely important matter.
Technically, you do have the right to give advice. I just don't have to
accept it if I choose not to. But I came to this group asking for advice,
and everyone's input is welcome. Thanks to everyone so far.
--
Tom Storm
> in US these days, especially if you admit loudly that you are a proud
> Canadian. These days 'proud' means anti-American, that was said openly
I am a proud Canadian, but not Anti-American. That's the mindset of most
Americans right now (if you're not with us, you're against us). Americans
think that if you don't agree with 100% of what they have to say, you must
be an anti-American terrorist.
I have been and always will be a proud Canadian, no matter my location.
Everyone who knows me knows I'm Canadian, and that's how it always will be.
> decision about his life, his future, his dual citizenship. We have NO
> right to give him any advice in this extremely important matter.
Technically, you do have the right to give advice. I just don't have to
accept it if I choose not to. But I came to this group asking for advice,
and everyone's input is welcome. Thanks to everyone so far.
--
Tom Storm