just curious

Hi,
I have a question.
Is an Arranged Employment Opinion issued by HRDC equivalent to HRDC confirmed offer of permanent employment, and does the foreign national applying from outside Canada score 15 pts for this Arranged Employment Opinion?
I'm asking because a few days ago I read here
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/qual-5.html
in Factor Five: Arranged Employment In Canada
that HRDC opinion is suitable only for PR applicants within Canada.
Can somebody clarify this matter, plz.

just curious

and 1 more question - what's the difference between Arranged Employment Opinion and Labor Market Opinion.

Thanks in advance for all replies

Kurakot

first you have find canadian employer to hire you

processing of 'arranged employment' may take at a min 6-8 weeks ( supposing
prospective is qualified and no problem)
hrdc (foreign employment unit) will mail you or your employer confirmation
(validated job offer)

visa processing may take another 12 months - 36 months ***china - 6-8
years*** depending on where visa posts

by that time you have completed your visa process ( suppose you qualify )
your prospective employer may have hired someone else to fill the position
without notifying you.

if the visa failed to materialized - the employer wasted time, effort and
money in securing validated employment offer

suppose visa is issued - if you come over and the immigration office at the
port entry may refuse or deny you admission if he/she finds out you no
longer have employment in canada..

the present system is HIGHLY flawed...it works for IT applicants, domestic
workers or some STAR HOCKEY PLAYERS in Europe - that's about it.

correct me if i'm wrong











arranged employment may take you at a min 6-8 weeks
"just curious" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi,
    > I have a question.
    > Is an Arranged Employment Opinion issued by HRDC equivalent to HRDC
    > confirmed offer of permanent employment, and does the foreign
    > national applying from outside Canada score 15 pts for this Arranged
    > Employment Opinion?
    > I'm asking because a few days ago I read here
    > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/qual-5.html
    > in Factor Five: Arranged Employment In Canada
    > that HRDC opinion is suitable only for PR applicants within Canada.
    > Can somebody clarify this matter, plz.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

just curious

Thanx for the reply, I know this HRDC process is not that simple,
but what bothers me, it's the difference tween HRDC Arranged Employment Opinion and HRDC confirmed offer of permanent employment or there's no difference.
According to what I've read here http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...=indeterminate
HRDC Opinion is enough for scoring 15 pts for applicants outside Canada under the economic class.

Kurakot

Skilled Worker Self-Assessment
Your score up to this point is: 60

Factor 5 - Arranged Employment (maximum 10 points)

To obtain points for this factor, you must have a permanent job offer in
Canada and be capable of and likely to accept and carry out the job. One of
the following situations must also apply:

1. you have been working in Canada for at least one year on a temporary work
permit and:

a) your temporary work permit was confirmed by HRDC, including sectoral
confirmations;
b) you are currently working in that employment;
c) the work permit is valid for at least another 12 months from the date of
your application; and
d) your employer has made an offer to employ you on an indeterminate basis
if the permanent resident visa is issued.

OR

2. You have been working in Canada for at least one year on a temporary work
permit and:

a) your temporary work permit is exempt from HRDC confirmation requirements
under an international agreement (i.e. NAFTA, GATS) or as a result of the
significant benefit to Canada provision (i.e. intra-company transferee);
b) you are currently working in that employment;
c) the work permit is valid for at least another 12 months from the date of
your application; and
d) your employer has made an offer to employ you on an indeterminate basis
if the permanent resident visa is issued.

OR

3. You do not intend to work in Canada before being issued a permanent
resident visa and do not hold a temporary work permit and:

a) your employer has made an offer to employ you on an indeterminate basis
if the permanent resident visa is issued; and
b) your job offer has been confirmed by Human Resources Development Canada
(HRDC.) You cannot apply to HRDC yourself. Your potential employer must
apply for you.



confirmed - validated - job offer

I haven't seen 'opinion' or AE opinion






"just curious" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Thanx for the reply, I know this HRDC process is not that simple,
    > but what bothers me, it's the difference tween HRDC Arranged
    > Employment Opinion and HRDC confirmed offer of permanent
    > employment or there's no difference.
    > According to what I've read here ]http://britishexpats.com/forum/s-
    > howthread.php?s=&threadid=103562&highlight=indeter minate[/url]
    > HRDC Opinion is enough for scoring 15 pts for applicants outside Canada
    > under the economic class.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Andrew Miller

Confirmed is not the same as validated job offer.

Arranged employment opinion process verifies legitimacy of the employer,
fact that such is in business for at least past 12 months and has proven
record of employment for at least same period as well that conditions and
salary in job offer are sufficient to attract and retain Canadian workers.
See here:

http://www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/hrib/lmd-...arranged.shtml

Job offer validation process goes one step further - it requires in addition
to the above a proof from employer that despite nationwide and extensive
search no Canadian candidate was found for offered position.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
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"kurakot" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Skilled Worker Self-Assessment
    > Your score up to this point is: 60
    > Factor 5 - Arranged Employment (maximum 10 points)
    > To obtain points for this factor, you must have a permanent job offer in
    > Canada and be capable of and likely to accept and carry out the job. One
of
    > the following situations must also apply:
    > 1. you have been working in Canada for at least one year on a temporary
work
    > permit and:
    > a) your temporary work permit was confirmed by HRDC, including sectoral
    > confirmations;
    > b) you are currently working in that employment;
    > c) the work permit is valid for at least another 12 months from the date
of
    > your application; and
    > d) your employer has made an offer to employ you on an indeterminate basis
    > if the permanent resident visa is issued.
    > OR
    > 2. You have been working in Canada for at least one year on a temporary
work
    > permit and:
    > a) your temporary work permit is exempt from HRDC confirmation
requirements
    > under an international agreement (i.e. NAFTA, GATS) or as a result of the
    > significant benefit to Canada provision (i.e. intra-company transferee);
    > b) you are currently working in that employment;
    > c) the work permit is valid for at least another 12 months from the date
of
    > your application; and
    > d) your employer has made an offer to employ you on an indeterminate basis
    > if the permanent resident visa is issued.
    > OR
    > 3. You do not intend to work in Canada before being issued a permanent
    > resident visa and do not hold a temporary work permit and:
    > a) your employer has made an offer to employ you on an indeterminate basis
    > if the permanent resident visa is issued; and
    > b) your job offer has been confirmed by Human Resources Development Canada
    > (HRDC.) You cannot apply to HRDC yourself. Your potential employer must
    > apply for you.
    > confirmed - validated - job offer
    > I haven't seen 'opinion' or AE opinion
    > "just curious" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > Thanx for the reply, I know this HRDC process is not that simple,
    > > but what bothers me, it's the difference tween HRDC Arranged
    > > Employment Opinion and HRDC confirmed offer of permanent
    > > employment or there's no difference.
    > > According to what I've read here ]http://britishexpats.com/forum/s-
    > > howthread.php?s=&threadid=103562&highlight=indeter minate[/url]
    > > HRDC Opinion is enough for scoring 15 pts for applicants outside Canada
    > > under the economic class.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com