pinkmcfarquhar

The way I see it - we wanted to move to Canada so we made the necessary changes in our lives to do it. WE wanted to come here - Canada has no responsibility to give us fantastic jobs, etc.

If someone is intelligent enough to get a medical or other high ranking degree, then I'm sorry, they are intelligent enough to learn a new language so they can get a job in Canada to utilise their skills. I don't see that as racist - they wanted to move to a new country, anyone who does that has to change in some way - if not, what's the point of moving?

JamesM

If they are getting into a country based on their medical or high ranking degree because there is a skill shortage then it is in nobody's interests that their skills are wasted because they are wasting a visa allocation and the opportunity for someone to contribute effectively to Canada, aswell as ending up wasting their qualifications doing work that is demenial to them.

Bottomline it comes down to having a job before you go, it is the safest way forward for both parties= country and immigrant. The free/job market can select people by directly liaising with the immigrant.

A system where the government selects people based on points cheats both the country and the immigrant by misleading the immigrant into thinking their skills are required and ending up with a poor job and by misleading the country by not actually addressing the shortage effectively and safeguarding it's future.

Right I am going to get back to my day job. That is my vague attempt at intelligent output today.

dbd33

I agree with this but must point out that the most efficient labour market is the illegal one. Skilled tradesmen bypass the bureaucracy by simply turning up and starting work. I have come to the view that illegal immigrants are the most valuable immigrants (they can't use any government resources, must stay out of trouble with the law and need to keep working) but I know this view is not widely held.

Andrew Miller

I already stated in an earlier reply to your post that BC PNP has for ages a program for international graduates and that other Provinces already introduced their international graduates PNP's or are catching up with similar programs. Majority of existing already PNP's for international graduates don't require any work experience, some just 6 months. Look here to read about several of existing programs:

http://www.ecdev.gov.bc.ca/ProgramsA...lgraduates.htm

http://www.albertacanada.com/immigra...graduates.html

http://www.nlpnp.ca/internationalgraduate.html

http://www.ontarioimmigration.ca/eng...NPstudents.asp

http://www.immigration.gov.sk.ca/Def...7-70a7366de4c4

http://www.novascotiaimmigration.com/en-page1100.aspx

If you would stop looking into Australia and instead look into Canada then you may not be complaining the way you do.

In addition to PNP for international graduates we have in place for ages a post-grad work permit program (extended to 3 years lately) which also presents great PR opportunity for international students - after gaining minimum 12 months of skilled work experience in Canada they easy qualify for federal SW with arranged employment route.

And now, in addition to all of the above we have CEC.

Still not enough PR opportunities for international students?

If all students who want to remain in Canada would really go for it then there would be not a lot visa quotas left for anyone else.

Want2Move

I was going to say something about that website in his (bazzz) signature too. I happened to click the link the other day and I was disgusted to know the meaning of the word. I do not think it is appropriate to use that kind of website in BE forum.

I was also surprised that somebody would buy a domain name like that and host it and show it to the public and not feel shame about it.

Want2Move

Thanks Mr. Miller for letting us know about your background. I congratulate you on your accomplishments in the US and Canada. Your family must be very proud of you.

Thanks for giving your valuable time to provide us FREE information regarding Canadian Immigration Systems. Keep up the good work.

bazzz

Let me guess, you're a vegetarian?

Elizabeth I

Totally agree with you!! (great post)

Elizabeth I

I kinda agree with you Ray, although I think the problems are the same everywhere. I know of an instance (a friend of my Dad's) whose English born and bred (white) wife had to go for an English language test in London for immigration to NZ!! Can you believe that?

WTH?

There are plenty of immigrants from 3rd world countries living in NZ who can't even string a coherent sentance together and yet a born and bred native speaking English woman gets grilled for her own language.

The world's gone mad, or is just prejudiced against Brits. The ones who can't even speak English get ushered into British colonies whilst Brits have to go through the wringer.

Elizabeth I

Exactly.

timu12

[QUOTE=Elizabeth I;6681030]I kinda agree with you Ray, although I think the problems are the same everywhere. I know of an instance (a friend of my Dad's) whose English born and bred (white) wife had to go for an English language test in London for immigration to NZ!! Can you believe that?

its funny u guys leavin U.K for your formal colony and why is that?

Elizabeth I

[QUOTE=timu12;6681064]

Why not?

RayS

Hi Elizabeth,

I do believe your anecdote above - but its possible that the woman in question didn't "prove" her English language abilities by writing a simple letter explaining that she was born (of British parents), educated in the UK and brought up in a British home where English was the FIRST language. That's what I did for Canada (PR) and had no problems!

Ray

RayS

[QUOTE=timu12;6681064] Hi Timu

What's so funny about wanting to make a fresh start in a new country (in this case a "FORMER colony - whoops you probably failed the English test there!)
Isn't that what you're trying to do from another former British colony, maybe if we'd stayed in the former colony you might have wanted to stay too??
Ray

RN1

I'm from london UK where right now you hardly hear English (& that incudes the indigenous population!!) However, it doesn't mean I think it's right or that the Govt should encourage it. Right now they are talking about language tests before giving out Visas & that to me is a good thing.

I disagree with your comment that it's not a language barrier because it is. It's also a barrier against you becoming a true part of society. If you leave your "ghetto" you are lost because outside that small area you won't be understood. It is a barrier to integration too -which any immigrant worth having should be trying to do. I hold nothing against people practising their religion or speaking their langauge at home or in their Temples/Churches/ whatever it's a right they deserve for being human but I do believe that they have a duty to learn the langauge & culture of their new country & to become a full, tax-paying citzen able to stand on their own 2 feet. You can't do that without knowing the langauge, period.

I'm not going to any of the cities you mentioned but even if I was it's not that I don't know it's like that it's just that I'm saying it shouldn't be because I don't think you should get a work permit/visa to migrate unless you can speak the language because how are you ever going to be able to truly become a part of your new country if you can't??

This is only my opinion (I'm aware it's not the case -I just think it should be) which I'm sure is shared by many & is probably one of the things the Australians have got right!