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msj5 Jul 18th 2012 5:20 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10179745)
You could take a copy of the MHA FAQ and point out firmly that you are not entitled to a tourist visa: "As per the extant instructions of the Government of India, a Tourist Visa can only be granted to a foreigner who does not have a residence or occupation in India"
when I applied I copied the list of documents requested for X visas for property owners and numbered my submissions accordingly. The two difficult items were the RBI letter and the proof of Registration - I have posted an anonymised version of the standard RBI letter as well as the RBI FAQ where they say they are not the authorising agency. If you had your deeds registered just put a post-it note pointing to the registrar's stamp on the copy of your deeds.
I realise that pushing for an X visa is a lot of effort, sorry* but if you don't do it you are weakening everyone else's case and you are technically breaking the law going on a T visa. (* I mean that)

thanks - AndyD 8-)₹

P.S. when next in Goa apply for an Aadhar card.

Can we technically apply for an Aadhar card Andy?

I do totally agree with you and we have to tell the HCI what we are entitled to abiding by their rules!

don`t be humble ...be firm..

a_f_d Jul 18th 2012 5:39 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by msj5 (Post 10179801)
Can we technically apply for an Aadhar card Andy?

I do totally agree with you and we have to tell the HCI what we are entitled to abiding by their rules!

don`t be humble ...be firm..

I emailled the Aadhar query address - no reply.
I read all the websites - it talks about Indian residents.
I applied in Panjim - the staff weren't sure but asked if I had any of the listed docs - I did; PAN Card and driving licence, so they took my application.
OH had PAN card but no DL so she was refused.
According to their tracking site my card has been approved and delivered to my house.
I should now be able to sponsor OH.

AndyD 8-)

johnny five Jul 18th 2012 5:59 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10179843)
e.
I should now be able to sponsor OH.

AndyD 8-)₹

Will you be able to sponsor all the other poor b@ggers on BE?



.

a_f_d Jul 19th 2012 9:47 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by johnny five (Post 10179873)
Will you be able to sponsor all the other poor b@ggers on BE?



.

Only family - sorry!

AndyD 8-)

davidhendry Jul 19th 2012 5:07 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10179843)
I emailled the Aadhar query address - no reply.
I read all the websites - it talks about Indian residents.
I applied in Panjim - the staff weren't sure but asked if I had any of the listed docs - I did; PAN Card and driving licence, so they took my application.
OH had PAN card but no DL so she was refused.
According to their tracking site my card has been approved and delivered to my house.
I should now be able to sponsor OH.

AndyD 8-)₹

Andy, was house number required? My case is still ongoing, but I do have a drivers licence and residents book, do you think these would suffice?
Noticed an ad. in todays paper for this ID card, and it definately mentions residents.

Davie.

msj5 Jul 20th 2012 5:34 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by davidhendry (Post 10182726)
Andy, was house number required? My case is still ongoing, but I do have a drivers licence and residents book, do you think these would suffice?
Noticed an ad. in todays paper for this ID card, and it definately mentions residents.

Davie.

And the same ad also said "no identity needed" !

a_f_d Jul 20th 2012 9:37 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by davidhendry (Post 10182726)
Andy, was house number required? My case is still ongoing, but I do have a drivers licence and residents book, do you think these would suffice?
Noticed an ad. in todays paper for this ID card, and it definately mentions residents.

Davie.

You need one proof of id with photo (e.g. PAN card) and one proof of address (e.g. driving licence) - full list here:

AndyD 8-)

dreadsoc Jul 20th 2012 12:04 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10182315)
Only family - sorry!

AndyD 8-)₹


Hwould you like to adopt some of us???? :rofl::rofl:

Dread -x

dreadsoc Jul 20th 2012 12:09 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
Week before last my friend who lives in Goa, owns a house, got a 1 year x visa from the Victoria branch of VFS - she went in to see them and explained that she cares for elderly parents there - and was advised to apply for an x visa, with a letter written by her explaining her circumstances, togetehr woth documents showing she lives there.

So it seems that as usual with all things India - there exists a litany of lethargy as far as consistency is concerned !!

Dread - x

Jacksie Aug 7th 2012 2:40 am

Re: Visa help.
 
I was only granted a one month visa today, it has caused a problem because I asked for my court case to be at the end of October. ( when I had a planned visit) My Visa expires on the 6th of September so I will not be able to return until the 6th of November. I will try and go back and get my visa changedn tomorrow, I can prove that I need to see a lawyer with all my documents etc, and that I will need to go back for the court case. Darn thought that I would have been within the 60 days between visits but it is also 60 days between visas!!

a_f_d Aug 7th 2012 4:14 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by Jacksie (Post 10214977)
I was only granted a one month visa today, it has caused a problem because I asked for my court case to be at the end of October. ( when I had a planned visit) My Visa expires on the 6th of September so I will not be able to return until the 6th of November. I will try and go back and get my visa changedn tomorrow, I can prove that I need to see a lawyer with all my documents etc, and that I will need to go back for the court case. Darn thought that I would have been within the 60 days between visits but it is also 60 days between visas!!

What sort of visa? - I've never heard of a 1 month T visa and even B visas are rarely that short.
Apply for an X visa - if you own property you're not entitled to a T visa anyway, (read the last few pages on this thread).

AndyD 8-)

Jacksie Aug 7th 2012 5:11 am

Re: Visa help.
 
We are trying to sort this out, I will keep you updated. I haven't heard of this before either. Tomorrow we are off to try and sort things out. Everyday it just gets more stressful. All I would like is to have time to sort out the legal side of our house, and be able to make the court date. At the moment it is India 10 jackie 5.......... it's doing my head in.

msj5 Aug 7th 2012 5:17 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by Jacksie (Post 10215258)
We are trying to sort this out, I will keep you updated. I haven't heard of this before either. Tomorrow we are off to try and sort things out. Everyday it just gets more stressful. All I would like is to have time to sort out the legal side of our house, and be able to make the court date. At the moment it is India 10 jackie 5.......... it's doing my head in.



Probably given you this cos you`re not in country of origin!

Jacksie Aug 7th 2012 3:46 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
I will go and show our house papers today, hopefully they will be able to give another type of visa. I will keep you all updated. We never had this problem from Dubai.

stevebenaulim Aug 7th 2012 4:43 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by Jacksie (Post 10214977)
I was only granted a one month visa today, it has caused a problem because I asked for my court case to be at the end of October. ( when I had a planned visit) My Visa expires on the 6th of September so I will not be able to return until the 6th of November. I will try and go back and get my visa changedn tomorrow, I can prove that I need to see a lawyer with all my documents etc, and that I will need to go back for the court case. Darn thought that I would have been within the 60 days between visits but it is also 60 days between visas!!

Where did they only give you a one month T visa???

Jacksie Aug 7th 2012 5:09 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
Here in Doha, I am trying to get this sorted out at the moment. They told us that they will only give a one month tourist visa. The lady on the telphone then said if you need to go back in October apply again, but I reminded her that we need 60 days not only between trips but between visas. I am t:sneaky:aking all my paperwork in today to see if this can be resolved. Yesterday we spent 3 hours in the queue.

a_f_d Aug 7th 2012 8:25 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by Jacksie (Post 10216052)
...we need 60 days not only between trips but between visas. ....

er no; just 60 days between trips - tho' on a 30 day visa there's not that much difference!

AndyD 8-)

Jacksie Aug 7th 2012 9:14 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
Ok we went to the visa office and were told that we can only have a one month tourist visa, even with showing the paperwork for the house etc. I explained that In Dubai we always had a 6 month multi entery but they are saying here that is not possible. They will not give any other form of visa just a one month tourist one. Hopefully we will be able to apply again once the 60 days are up, rather than 60 days after the visa expires. They did try and tell me that I can apply 60 days from actually arriving in Goa, but when I was deported they counted it as 60 days from departure not arrival. I won't be taking that chance again for sure!

noni Aug 27th 2012 5:37 am

Re: Visa help.
 
"Please remember a maximum of one processed passport shall be returned in one envelope. You are requested to pay the charges for the same along with the visa fees and VFS service charges".




In other words, it is acceptable to send 2 passports/applications etc in one RMSD envelope TO VFS Global but you MUST send 2 RMSD envelopes for the return.

see vfa global.

k800mer Aug 27th 2012 9:26 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by noni (Post 10249127)
"Please remember a maximum of one processed passport shall be returned in one envelope. You are requested to pay the charges for the same along with the visa fees and VFS service charges".




In other words, it is acceptable to send 2 passports/applications etc in one RMSD envelope TO VFS Global but you MUST send 2 RMSD envelopes for the return.

see vfa global.

Is this new? I thought they would put two in one envelope for the return also but perhaps I did not read it properly. All the more reason for me to go up to Victoria, the train fare is cheaper than the postage as I always do 7 visas and I get 2 days out.

johnny five Aug 27th 2012 10:31 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
It's been official for almost a year, but the idiots at VFS were enforcing it sporadically before that.

msj5 Aug 27th 2012 10:33 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
I`m off to the FRRO on Thursday to see if they will extend my`x` visa.
Its due to expire early October and I still haven`t found a new house to live in.Doesn`t give me long for getting sorted out and moved even if I do find somewhere soon.:fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:

Bipat Aug 27th 2012 10:49 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by msj5 (Post 10250347)
I`m off to the FRRO on Thursday to see if they will extend my`x` visa.
Its due to expire early October and I still haven`t found a new house to live in.Doesn`t give me long for getting sorted out and moved even if I do find somewhere soon.:fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:

Good luck. Also hope you find somewhere.

Chameleons Aug 28th 2012 7:57 pm

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by msj5 (Post 10250347)
I`m off to the FRRO on Thursday to see if they will extend my`x` visa.
Its due to expire early October and I still haven`t found a new house to live in.Doesn`t give me long for getting sorted out and moved even if I do find somewhere soon.:fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:

We'll be thinking of you! Good luck! :fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:

a_f_d Aug 29th 2012 4:46 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by msj5 (Post 10250347)
I`m off to the FRRO on Thursday to see if they will extend my`x` visa.
Its due to expire early October and I still haven`t found a new house to live in.Doesn`t give me long for getting sorted out and moved even if I do find somewhere soon.:fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:

Yes, good luck - it will be very interesting to see what they say. You may want to show them #14 at http://mha.nic.in/pdfs/ForeigD-PwrdlgtFRROs.pdf

cheers - AndyD 8-)#

iain492001 Aug 29th 2012 5:23 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by msj5 (Post 10250347)
I`m off to the FRRO on Thursday to see if they will extend my`x` visa.
Its due to expire early October and I still haven`t found a new house to live in.Doesn`t give me long for getting sorted out and moved even if I do find somewhere soon.:fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:

Good luck, Jill. Keeping everything x'd for you.
fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed:
Iain

msj5 Aug 29th 2012 5:26 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10253158)
Yes, good luck - it will be very interesting to see what they say. You may want to show them #14 at http://mha.nic.in/pdfs/ForeigD-PwrdlgtFRROs.pdf

cheers - AndyD 8-)#

Thanks Andy.

Got some more properties to look at tomorrow s o may delay FRRO until early next week!
It`s feeling a bit "Catch 22" at the mo.......book a flight or try and extend visa!

dreadsoc Sep 1st 2012 11:09 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by msj5 (Post 10253242)
Thanks Andy.

Got some more properties to look at tomorrow s o may delay FRRO until early next week!
It`s feeling a bit "Catch 22" at the mo.......book a flight or try and extend visa!


Hope you find somewhere nice soon Jill - :fingerscrossed:

Dread - x

a_f_d Sep 20th 2012 9:16 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
X visas for people having property in India see #5376

AndyD 8-)

busybee1 Oct 11th 2012 1:41 am

Re: Visa help.
 
i know this topic has been covered over and over but does anyone know what documents you need to take to uk as a property owner in order to get the 1 year X visa??

a_f_d Oct 12th 2012 2:04 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by busybee1 (Post 10325600)
i know this topic has been covered over and over but does anyone know what documents you need to take to uk as a property owner in order to get the 1 year X visa??

The Official version is:

Please note that any foreign Nationals who own a property and have lived here in India for many years as residents can apply for a one year Entry visa if they have the following documents

1. You need RBI permission – Reserve Bank of India Permission
2. Local government permission to construct the property
3. Registration of the property with the Government of India

With all these papers you can apply for a one year entry visa extendable in India, with out the 2 month gap.
1) Since RBI don't issue permission the nearest you can get is a letter from the RBI saying they don't give permissions but 'if you are resident as per FEMA then there is general permission .....' (this used to be pretty much a pro-forma - not sure if it still is but there are copies around).

2) if you own recently built property the builder should have given you a copy of the NOC; for old Portuguese property they seem to accept a letter saying that.

3) If you have registered (pre 2007) then fine; if you have applied for registration then use a copy of the Registrar's receipt; otherwise try a [copy of a] Notarised copy of your deeds (good idea to include that anyway).

If you rent/lease then they seem to accept a copy of the lease and a printout of the FEMA FAQ about 5-year leases being OK for FN's.

ALSO they are currently asking for a sight of old passports (presumably as evidence of 'living in India for many years' - check out the MHA website for 'powers delegated to FRO's' which mentions this - maybe copy that as well). I told them (truthfully) that our old passports were in India but gave a summary of visits for the last few years and mentioned that we first visited India in 1973!!

Allow at least 15 working days to process your visa. GOOD LUCK.

AndyD 8-)₹

P.S. went to register at the FRO in Panjim today - when they asked for a copy of the house deeds I told them they had more copies than I did - so they said hold on that and if we can find it in last year's file we'll use that - gave them last years file ref to help|

msj5 Oct 12th 2012 3:16 am

Re: Visa help.
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10327395)
The Official version is:


1) Since RBI don't issue permission the nearest you can get is a letter from the RBI saying they don't give permissions but 'if you are resident as per FEMA then there is general permission .....' (this used to be pretty much a pro-forma - not sure if it still is but there are copies around).

2) if you own recently built property the builder should have given you a copy of the NOC; for old Portuguese property they seem to accept a letter saying that.

3) If you have registered (pre 2007) then fine; if you have applied for registration then use a copy of the Registrar's receipt; otherwise try a [copy of a] Notarised copy of your deeds (good idea to include that anyway).

If you rent/lease then they seem to accept a copy of the lease and a printout of the FEMA FAQ about 5-year leases being OK for FN's.

ALSO they are currently asking for a sight of old passports (presumably as evidence of 'living in India for many years' - check out the MHA website for 'powers delegated to FRO's' which mentions this - maybe copy that as well). I told them (truthfully) that our old passports were in India but gave a summary of visits for the last few years and mentioned that we first visited India in 1973!!

Allow at least 15 working days to process your visa. GOOD LUCK.

AndyD 8-)₹

P.S. went to register at the FRO in Panjim today - when they asked for a copy of the house deeds I told them they had more copies than I did - so they said hold on that and if we can find it in last year's file we'll use that - gave them last years file ref to help|

I asked about old passports when I recently handed my application in at Hayes and he said that being as there was already an X visa on current passport there was no need for old passports!

busybee1 Oct 13th 2012 10:50 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
thanks for the info its not enough the crap you deal with here and you still have to go through it all in your own country lol


Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10327395)
The Official version is:


1) Since RBI don't issue permission the nearest you can get is a letter from the RBI saying they don't give permissions but 'if you are resident as per FEMA then there is general permission .....' (this used to be pretty much a pro-forma - not sure if it still is but there are copies around).

2) if you own recently built property the builder should have given you a copy of the NOC; for old Portuguese property they seem to accept a letter saying that.

3) If you have registered (pre 2007) then fine; if you have applied for registration then use a copy of the Registrar's receipt; otherwise try a [copy of a] Notarised copy of your deeds (good idea to include that anyway).

If you rent/lease then they seem to accept a copy of the lease and a printout of the FEMA FAQ about 5-year leases being OK for FN's.

ALSO they are currently asking for a sight of old passports (presumably as evidence of 'living in India for many years' - check out the MHA website for 'powers delegated to FRO's' which mentions this - maybe copy that as well). I told them (truthfully) that our old passports were in India but gave a summary of visits for the last few years and mentioned that we first visited India in 1973!!

Allow at least 15 working days to process your visa. GOOD LUCK.

AndyD 8-)₹

P.S. went to register at the FRO in Panjim today - when they asked for a copy of the house deeds I told them they had more copies than I did - so they said hold on that and if we can find it in last year's file we'll use that - gave them last years file ref to help|


hemingway Oct 14th 2012 7:30 am

More changes ahead?
 
See what you make of this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49524844/P...-IVFRT-PROJECT

Regards

H.

a_f_d Oct 14th 2012 8:52 pm

Re: More changes ahead?
 

Originally Posted by hemingway (Post 10330660)
See what you make of this:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49524844/P...-IVFRT-PROJECT

Regards

H.

Interesting link - I can't quite work out whether 'scribd' just own the site where it was published or were involved in producing it.
It looks like a very close match to the scheme announced by Chidambaram. If it is the same I wonder how it got into the public domain.
As a system specification cum management summary it has the usual faults of assumption and over-simplification which tries to hide under the latest (in this case I suspect it's yesterdays latest) design methodology.
I could go on....and on....
So I'll just say it does at least identify the main problem:
infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure!

AndyD 8-)

babu1 Nov 2nd 2012 10:31 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
Am about to make postal application for visa, usually send it to Edinburgh and they post it back.

Typically, vfs website is giving obscure information.

1) It says : "All applicants submitting visa application via post must select “UK-LONDON” as “INDIAN MISSION” while filling the online form. Application forms filled for other Indian Missions (Birmingham/Edinburgh) in the UK WILL NOT be accepted at the postal application centre for Indian visa. All the supporting documents/letters should be addressed to the High Commission of India, London."

Does this mean the centralised postal application centre at Hayes will NOT process applications where your jurisdiction is Edinburgh, even though ALL postal applications are to be sent to Hayes?

On the address list for jurisdiction of Consulates it has this warning for applications through Glasgow : APPLICANTS ARE ADVISED NOT TO SEND ANY POSTAL APPLICATIONS TO THIS CENTER. VFS UK LTD. WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY LIABILITIES FOR LOSS OF DOCUMENTS IF SENT BY POST. ALL POSTAL APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE SENT TO INDIA VISA APPLICATION CENTER IN HAYES.

It does not have this warning at the Edinburgh Consulate address.

Confused.

a_f_d Nov 2nd 2012 10:49 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
babu, are you sure you usually post to Edinburgh?
afaik all postal apps go to Hayes and the jurisdiction list is for where to go to apply in person - they will post it back if required.
Glasgow, Manchester and Cardiff are just forwarders.

AndyD 8-)

babu1 Nov 2nd 2012 11:51 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
Over the years I've done all permutations, from the days when you just had to turn up at the Glasgow Consulate (before they moved to Edinburgh) with the cash and it was all done face to face in seconds.

When VFS came in, I've travelled through to Edinburgh in person and collected in person, submitted in person and had it posted by DX, gone through the Glasgow surgery who forwarded it to Edinburgh and DX returned it at great extra charge for special courier on morning of flight (Edinburgh had assured me it was in the post, then retracted and said it had not been in Friday's post - I was travelling at noon on the Monday.)

I've had a 3 month wrangle (late 2009) with the Edinburgh Consul involving 6 cancelled flights and a huge telephone bill which involved a begging visit to the Edinburgh Consul 3 months after my initial application. This was all because I'd applied for an X Visa as usual then and they claimed to have forwarded all my documents (Sale Deed, Bank Statements, Health Certificate, Panchayat House Tax Receipt, Electricity Bill in my name, etc, etc.) to MHA Delhi who are "sometimes lazy fellows". He took pity on me and gave me a 3 month X at his own 'risk' ??? and I was left short of pocket, short of temper and greatly tensioned!

It is this sentence on the current VFS guidelines that is concerning me : 'Application forms filled for other Indian Missions (Birmingham/Edinburgh) in the UK WILL NOT be accepted at the postal application centre for Indian visa'.

If ALL applications are to go directly to Hayes I'm happy to go that route, but why confuse the issue by mentioning other Missions, and it is not specific that they might be referring to applications in person even if they've chosen to place that warning in the section referring explicitly to postal application procedure.

There's a cat's chance in hell in getting someone to answer the phone at Edinburgh or VFS for clarity.

Yes, I'm certain I made a postal application to Edinburgh VFS last year. If the rules have been changed, I'm having real trouble interpreting them. Worst case is that I'll post to Hayes who may reject and return the application which will definitely mean cancelled flights.

And this is the first year I left all my Deeds and papers in Goa since I had to travel light around South East Asia on my second year of enforced 2 month exile, so I don't have the paperwork to apply for the X Entry visa and I won't tempt fate by trying to get Edinburgh to dig out one of the many notarised copies they have had in their possession over the years, most likely filed under 'rubbish'.

Anyone with any direct contact numbers so I can get clarity would be appreciated, and thanks Andy.

hemingway Nov 3rd 2012 2:24 am

Re: Visa help.
 
Here's the 'geographical' number for VFS Global Indian visa customer services:

020 7811 3976

The same number is listed on "say no to 0870" so hopefully it's correct.

As I understand it, if you apply by POST & send to Hayes, BUT have 'selected' the mission (during the online process) which your geographical location comes under the jurisdiction of, your application will not be processed.

H.

babu1 Nov 3rd 2012 1:11 pm

Re: Visa help.
 
"As I understand it, if you apply by POST & send to Hayes, BUT have 'selected' the mission (during the online process) which your geographical location comes under the jurisdiction of, your application will not be processed."


Thanks, that's the way I've interpreted it, so have made an online application with London as my Mission Post and will post all documents to Hayes on Monday.

The website crashed at the crucial point of payment, just before the Verisign Visa should have popped up and continually went to Connection Error (even though there wasn't one on the browser), but will have another go later today.

Here's hoping they can turn the application round without complication, and Diwali holiday so one lost working day.


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