Taxi
Dec 27th 2010 | 10:06 pm
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Re: Taxi
Maybe they pay big bribes? No of course not, that would make them criminals and then they would be deplored by most of their countrymen.
If you read Noni's property purchase scenario properly, you will see she is referring to a perfectly legal transaction that came to a grinding halt when it became evident that the purchaser was indulging in the popular Indian pastime of "signature sharing"
You choose to constantly muddle property ownership with residency. As far as I can ascertain from considerable research, an Indian citizen can quite legally purchase residential property in the UK provided they can prove identity and have the ability to pay, but not proof of residency....it is irrelevant.
They can then occupy that property as and when they obtain a valid visa to visit the UK, but the fact they own property is irrelevant to the granting of the visa.
(a situation most British in Goa would be quite happy with, I'm sure)
A very predominant scam in the Midlands (and I'm sure elsewhere in the UK) is for wealthy Asians to buy property, put the ownership in the name of a relative in their home country, and rent it out. Any charges incurred on that property that are not the tenants liability, but those of the landlord are not paid, and because of the near impossibility of pursuing an outstanding bill with the "true" owner 5000 miles away, the debt is allowed to drop. Of course, the work is always commissioned by a family representative in the UK who infers (or clearly states!) that the owner is a UK resident/citizen. Due to tenant protection laws, it is very difficult to secure the property against the (comparatively small) debt.
Off you go then........
I'll take the £10 argument this time, but check your facts first!
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Dec 27th 2010 | 11:06 pm
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Re: Taxi
So How do the billionaire Indian citizens (non-resident in the UK) like Tata get away with buying up half of London then?
Maybe they pay big bribes? No of course not, that would make them criminals and then they would be deplored by most of their countrymen.
If you read Noni's property purchase scenario properly, you will see she is referring to a perfectly legal transaction that came to a grinding halt when it became evident that the purchaser was indulging in the popular Indian pastime of "signature sharing"
You choose to constantly muddle property ownership with residency. As far as I can ascertain from considerable research, an Indian citizen can quite legally purchase residential property in the UK provided they can prove identity and have the ability to pay, but not proof of residency....it is irrelevant.
They can then occupy that property as and when they obtain a valid visa to visit the UK, but the fact they own property is irrelevant to the granting of the visa.
(a situation most British in Goa would be quite happy with, I'm sure)
A very predominant scam in the Midlands (and I'm sure elsewhere in the UK) is for wealthy Asians to buy property, put the ownership in the name of a relative in their home country, and rent it out. Any charges incurred on that property that are not the tenants liability, but those of the landlord are not paid, and because of the near impossibility of pursuing an outstanding bill with the "true" owner 5000 miles away, the debt is allowed to drop. Of course, the work is always commissioned by a family representative in the UK who infers (or clearly states!) that the owner is a UK resident/citizen. Due to tenant protection laws, it is very difficult to secure the property against the (comparatively small) debt.
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Maybe they pay big bribes? No of course not, that would make them criminals and then they would be deplored by most of their countrymen.
If you read Noni's property purchase scenario properly, you will see she is referring to a perfectly legal transaction that came to a grinding halt when it became evident that the purchaser was indulging in the popular Indian pastime of "signature sharing"
You choose to constantly muddle property ownership with residency. As far as I can ascertain from considerable research, an Indian citizen can quite legally purchase residential property in the UK provided they can prove identity and have the ability to pay, but not proof of residency....it is irrelevant.
They can then occupy that property as and when they obtain a valid visa to visit the UK, but the fact they own property is irrelevant to the granting of the visa.
(a situation most British in Goa would be quite happy with, I'm sure)
A very predominant scam in the Midlands (and I'm sure elsewhere in the UK) is for wealthy Asians to buy property, put the ownership in the name of a relative in their home country, and rent it out. Any charges incurred on that property that are not the tenants liability, but those of the landlord are not paid, and because of the near impossibility of pursuing an outstanding bill with the "true" owner 5000 miles away, the debt is allowed to drop. Of course, the work is always commissioned by a family representative in the UK who infers (or clearly states!) that the owner is a UK resident/citizen. Due to tenant protection laws, it is very difficult to secure the property against the (comparatively small) debt.
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'Half' of London is that accurate?
Re Noni's 'scenario': a transaction is either legal or not legal if the hypothetical person had a mortgage in his/her own name then why forge a signature?
My post was obviously not clear: with money to buy outright, property can be bought as I said above. With the exchange rate this applies only to the very wealthy. To get a mortgage a credit history is required this implies residency.
Visas: yes property ownership is irrelevent but would the British in Goa really be happy to go through the 'hoops' that non-Europeans need to visit UK??
Your last point (the most important) could you provide figures and evidence (facts) and I will certainly look into this.
Finally what has any of this to do with 'taxis'?
Dec 27th 2010 | 11:32 pm
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From: Noni the Indian Goan Beach Mulberry
Re: Taxi
Read my post J5: I said 'without investing a considerable amount of money' obviously billionaires can do this.
'Half' of London is that accurate?
Re Noni's 'scenario': a transaction is either legal or not legal if the hypothetical person had a mortgage in his/her own name then why forge a signature?
My post was obviously not clear: with money to buy outright, property can be bought as I said above. With the exchange rate this applies only to the very wealthy. To get a mortgage a credit history is required this implies residency.
Visas: yes property ownership is irrelevent but would the British in Goa really be happy to go through the 'hoops' that non-Europeans need to visit UK??
Your last point (the most important) could you provide figures and evidence (facts) and I will certainly look into this.
Finally what has any of this to do with 'taxis'?
'Half' of London is that accurate?
Re Noni's 'scenario': a transaction is either legal or not legal if the hypothetical person had a mortgage in his/her own name then why forge a signature?
My post was obviously not clear: with money to buy outright, property can be bought as I said above. With the exchange rate this applies only to the very wealthy. To get a mortgage a credit history is required this implies residency.
Visas: yes property ownership is irrelevent but would the British in Goa really be happy to go through the 'hoops' that non-Europeans need to visit UK??
Your last point (the most important) could you provide figures and evidence (facts) and I will certainly look into this.
Finally what has any of this to do with 'taxis'?
A mortgage had been arranged in his name, passports etc. but the guy must have handed his brothers visa, passport, wage slips in to the mortgage lender.
We are talking here of just an ordinary indian, not one with pots of money.
I should know as my desk was called "Indian Desk" as I attracted them all, I nearly had a sari made in the company colours. One day 32 turned up for one viewing of this huge house. I had to count them in, and count them out.
Dec 27th 2010 | 11:50 pm
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Re: Taxi
The Scenario is 100% true - I stood there when it was said, and when the sale was lost.
A mortgage had been arranged in his name, passports etc. but the guy must have handed his brothers visa, passport, wage slips in to the mortgage lender.
We are talking here of just an ordinary indian, not one with pots of money.
I should know as my desk was called "Indian Desk" as I attracted them all, I nearly had a sari made in the company colours. One day 32 turned up for one viewing of this huge house. I had to count them in, and count them out.
A mortgage had been arranged in his name, passports etc. but the guy must have handed his brothers visa, passport, wage slips in to the mortgage lender.
We are talking here of just an ordinary indian, not one with pots of money.
I should know as my desk was called "Indian Desk" as I attracted them all, I nearly had a sari made in the company colours. One day 32 turned up for one viewing of this huge house. I had to count them in, and count them out.
Dec 28th 2010 | 4:50 am
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Re: Taxi
Read my post J5: I said 'without investing a considerable amount of money' obviously billionaires can do this.
'Half' of London is that accurate?
Re Noni's 'scenario': a transaction is either legal or not legal if the hypothetical person had a mortgage in his/her own name then why forge a signature?
My post was obviously not clear: with money to buy outright, property can be bought as I said above. With the exchange rate this applies only to the very wealthy. To get a mortgage a credit history is required this implies residency.
Visas: yes property ownership is irrelevent but would the British in Goa really be happy to go through the 'hoops' that non-Europeans need to visit UK??
Your last point (the most important) could you provide figures and evidence (facts) and I will certainly look into this.
Finally what has any of this to do with 'taxis'?
'Half' of London is that accurate?
Re Noni's 'scenario': a transaction is either legal or not legal if the hypothetical person had a mortgage in his/her own name then why forge a signature?
My post was obviously not clear: with money to buy outright, property can be bought as I said above. With the exchange rate this applies only to the very wealthy. To get a mortgage a credit history is required this implies residency.
Visas: yes property ownership is irrelevent but would the British in Goa really be happy to go through the 'hoops' that non-Europeans need to visit UK??
Your last point (the most important) could you provide figures and evidence (facts) and I will certainly look into this.
Finally what has any of this to do with 'taxis'?
Johnny Five and Bipat both have a point of view which they have every right to express. It is also very predictable and understandable. Someone here vents their frustration caused by the current situation in Goa for British ex pats and someone else defends the Indian perspective by citing what happens to Indians in the UK.
Both sides refer to the difficulties outsiders have in processing the often complicated immigration or entry processes which both countries have in place. Neither country makes it easy.
However to my mind there is one significant difference as follows: those who manage to navigate the uk processes and gain entry generally speaking are allowed to live their lives like other citizens, invest their money, buy property or cars as they wish. I have never heard of whole groups being under the threat of having their properties confiscated or risking the loss of all their investments/lifetime savings. If there were such a group within the UK they would no doubt scream from every rooftop and would find the means of legal redress within the British justice system.
Maybe there is an India ex pats website on which they do just that. I don't know.
For Brits seeking to navigate the stormy waters of living in India and buying a home there is first of all no means to officially immigrate into the country ( as far as I know ) and great risk in investing in a country which has been eager to let you transfer your money inwards but puts great barriers in place when it comes to taking it out again.
For as long as this situation continues in India without being resolved in a civilised and fair manner ( which is looking increasingly unlikely) this bitter disagreement will continue in many threads and many posts and it is no surprise that we see such a polaristion of views and will continue to see it. Feelings run deep in such matters.
On a related note about Goa being a paradise turned sour, I don't think paradise exists anywhere on earth. Not Goa, not the Carribean either. When I lived and worked in Germany I spent many holidays of the all inclusive variety there, mainly Dominican Republic, Jamaica and Barbados. The German ex pats I met living in the Dominican Republic were all very keen to say how they were all careful not to leave thier compounds at night due to the criminality and drug related activities. The days may well have been paradise ( well they seemed to be when staying in a five star resort) but the nights told a different story. Good luck to anyone thinking of relocating there. It would not be my choice but we are all different.
Dec 28th 2010 | 5:48 am
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Re: Taxi
I agree that tby now this thread has nothing to do with taxis. It is symptomatic of the frustration and anger felt by many participants on this site about the treatment they find themselves subject to here in Goa as a result of property purchase. Many threads lead to this type of discussion for this reason.
Johnny Five and Bipat both have a point of view which they have every right to express. It is also very predictable and understandable. Someone here vents their frustration caused by the current situation in Goa for British ex pats and someone else defends the Indian perspective by citing what happens to Indians in the UK.
Both sides refer to the difficulties outsiders have in processing the often complicated immigration or entry processes which both countries have in place. Neither country makes it easy.
However to my mind there is one significant difference as follows: those who manage to navigate the uk processes and gain entry generally speaking are allowed to live their lives like other citizens, invest their money, buy property or cars as they wish. I have never heard of whole groups being under the threat of having their properties confiscated or risking the loss of all their investments/lifetime savings. If there were such a group within the UK they would no doubt scream from every rooftop and would find the means of legal redress within the British justice system.
Maybe there is an India ex pats website on which they do just that. I don't know.
For Brits seeking to navigate the stormy waters of living in India and buying a home there is first of all no means to officially immigrate into the country ( as far as I know ) and great risk in investing in a country which has been eager to let you transfer your money inwards but puts great barriers in place when it comes to taking it out again.
For as long as this situation continues in India without being resolved in a civilised and fair manner ( which is looking increasingly unlikely) this bitter disagreement will continue in many threads and many posts and it is no surprise that we see such a polaristion of views and will continue to see it. Feelings run deep in such matters.
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Johnny Five and Bipat both have a point of view which they have every right to express. It is also very predictable and understandable. Someone here vents their frustration caused by the current situation in Goa for British ex pats and someone else defends the Indian perspective by citing what happens to Indians in the UK.
Both sides refer to the difficulties outsiders have in processing the often complicated immigration or entry processes which both countries have in place. Neither country makes it easy.
However to my mind there is one significant difference as follows: those who manage to navigate the uk processes and gain entry generally speaking are allowed to live their lives like other citizens, invest their money, buy property or cars as they wish. I have never heard of whole groups being under the threat of having their properties confiscated or risking the loss of all their investments/lifetime savings. If there were such a group within the UK they would no doubt scream from every rooftop and would find the means of legal redress within the British justice system.
Maybe there is an India ex pats website on which they do just that. I don't know.
For Brits seeking to navigate the stormy waters of living in India and buying a home there is first of all no means to officially immigrate into the country ( as far as I know ) and great risk in investing in a country which has been eager to let you transfer your money inwards but puts great barriers in place when it comes to taking it out again.
For as long as this situation continues in India without being resolved in a civilised and fair manner ( which is looking increasingly unlikely) this bitter disagreement will continue in many threads and many posts and it is no surprise that we see such a polaristion of views and will continue to see it. Feelings run deep in such matters.
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My arguments are usually protests at the very understandable frustration of Goan expats being diverted towards anyone Indian in UK, the entire Indian population, anyone connected to India, anyone explaining India or shock/horror actually liking India etc. etc.
Paradoxically, I think (he will surely correct me if wrong), J5 no longer lives in India whereas I (British) still have a home there (42 years) and am certainly aware of property problems, the corruption etc. Just object strongly to inaccuracy and blanket insults to 'Indians', which seem to invade every thread.
Hopefully we can go back to 'Taxis' which have some sort of problem all over India.
Mumbai: many drivers now apparently don't know any location more than a km away! Likewise in Bangalore you have to direct them. Delhi railway station! husband too scared to get in a taxi ever again there! (Long story).
B.
Dec 28th 2010 | 8:48 am
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Re: Taxi
[QUOTE=johnny five;9062978]Now that hits a nerve!
I have shed far too many tears for the Goa that used to be, especially over the last two Christmases, happy memories, hopes destroyed, loved ones lost, and so so much more.
Yes J5 - feeling the same and had a little weep at your posting - hope it will be a better New Year for you - onward and upward kid.
I have shed far too many tears for the Goa that used to be, especially over the last two Christmases, happy memories, hopes destroyed, loved ones lost, and so so much more.
Yes J5 - feeling the same and had a little weep at your posting - hope it will be a better New Year for you - onward and upward kid.
Dec 28th 2010 | 9:12 pm
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Dec 28th 2010 | 11:21 pm
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From: Noni the Indian Goan Beach Mulberry
Re: Taxi
I agree that tby now this thread has nothing to do with taxis. It is symptomatic of the frustration and anger felt by many participants on this site about the treatment they find themselves subject to here in Goa as a result of property purchase. Many threads lead to this type of discussion for this reason.
Johnny Five and Bipat both have a point of view which they have every right to express. It is also very predictable and understandable. Someone here vents their frustration caused by the current situation in Goa for British ex pats and someone else defends the Indian perspective by citing what happens to Indians in the UK.
Both sides refer to the difficulties outsiders have in processing the often complicated immigration or entry processes which both countries have in place. Neither country makes it easy.
However to my mind there is one significant difference as follows: those who manage to navigate the uk processes and gain entry generally speaking are allowed to live their lives like other citizens, invest their money, buy property or cars as they wish. I have never heard of whole groups being under the threat of having their properties confiscated or risking the loss of all their investments/lifetime savings. If there were such a group within the UK they would no doubt scream from every rooftop and would find the means of legal redress within the British justice system.
Maybe there is an India ex pats website on which they do just that. I don't know.
For Brits seeking to navigate the stormy waters of living in India and buying a home there is first of all no means to officially immigrate into the country ( as far as I know ) and great risk in investing in a country which has been eager to let you transfer your money inwards but puts great barriers in place when it comes to taking it out again.
For as long as this situation continues in India without being resolved in a civilised and fair manner ( which is looking increasingly unlikely) this bitter disagreement will continue in many threads and many posts and it is no surprise that we see such a polaristion of views and will continue to see it. Feelings run deep in such matters.
On a related note about Goa being a paradise turned sour, I don't think paradise exists anywhere on earth. Not Goa, not the Carribean either. When I lived and worked in Germany I spent many holidays of the all inclusive variety there, mainly Dominican Republic, Jamaica and Barbados. The German ex pats I met living in the Dominican Republic were all very keen to say how they were all careful not to leave thier compounds at night due to the criminality and drug related activities. The days may well have been paradise ( well they seemed to be when staying in a five star resort) but the nights told a different story. Good luck to anyone thinking of relocating there. It would not be my choice but we are all different.
Johnny Five and Bipat both have a point of view which they have every right to express. It is also very predictable and understandable. Someone here vents their frustration caused by the current situation in Goa for British ex pats and someone else defends the Indian perspective by citing what happens to Indians in the UK.
Both sides refer to the difficulties outsiders have in processing the often complicated immigration or entry processes which both countries have in place. Neither country makes it easy.
However to my mind there is one significant difference as follows: those who manage to navigate the uk processes and gain entry generally speaking are allowed to live their lives like other citizens, invest their money, buy property or cars as they wish. I have never heard of whole groups being under the threat of having their properties confiscated or risking the loss of all their investments/lifetime savings. If there were such a group within the UK they would no doubt scream from every rooftop and would find the means of legal redress within the British justice system.
Maybe there is an India ex pats website on which they do just that. I don't know.
For Brits seeking to navigate the stormy waters of living in India and buying a home there is first of all no means to officially immigrate into the country ( as far as I know ) and great risk in investing in a country which has been eager to let you transfer your money inwards but puts great barriers in place when it comes to taking it out again.
For as long as this situation continues in India without being resolved in a civilised and fair manner ( which is looking increasingly unlikely) this bitter disagreement will continue in many threads and many posts and it is no surprise that we see such a polaristion of views and will continue to see it. Feelings run deep in such matters.
On a related note about Goa being a paradise turned sour, I don't think paradise exists anywhere on earth. Not Goa, not the Carribean either. When I lived and worked in Germany I spent many holidays of the all inclusive variety there, mainly Dominican Republic, Jamaica and Barbados. The German ex pats I met living in the Dominican Republic were all very keen to say how they were all careful not to leave thier compounds at night due to the criminality and drug related activities. The days may well have been paradise ( well they seemed to be when staying in a five star resort) but the nights told a different story. Good luck to anyone thinking of relocating there. It would not be my choice but we are all different.
Dec 29th 2010 | 12:12 am
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Re: Taxi
Noni: I tried to get the thread back on to 'taxis' obviously failed. Yes it was a good post but I think you must not have read my following post pointing out that the polarisation of views between myself and J5 on which erinsgirl (understandably) based her opinion had nothing to do with property problems, as I do have property problems in India, J5 does not.
Are you saying that it is OK to take your frustration out on 'Indians' in general?
Are you saying that it is OK to take your frustration out on 'Indians' in general?
Last edited by Bipat; Dec 29th 2010 at 1:26 am. Reason: spelling
Dec 29th 2010 | 12:45 am
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Re: Taxi
We found the same - but they will also know a few main landmarks like CST, Taj Hotel, Marine Drive etc. so you can navigate that way and we were amazed on our last visit to find that they now use the meter + look-up card. Seems there has been a substantial increase in official fares (long overdue) coupled with a big crackdown by police. Bring it on in Goa!
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Dec 29th 2010 | 2:13 pm
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From: Noni the Indian Goan Beach Mulberry
Re: Taxi
Noni: I tried to get the thread back on to 'taxis' obviously failed. Yes it was a good post but I think you must not have read my following post pointing out that the polarisation of views between myself and J5 on which erinsgirl (understandably) based her opinion had nothing to do with property problems, as I do have property problems in India, J5 does not.
Are you saying that it is OK to take your frustration out on 'Indians' in general?
Are you saying that it is OK to take your frustration out on 'Indians' in general?
Jan 10th 2011 | 4:13 pm
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Re: Taxi
I have found a driver owner of a large Taxi/Mini Bus the vehicle is new and seats up to 20 ideal for big groups or trips days out aiport
We used him last week to take some friends to Spice Plantation only 12 of us so lots of room
Charge Rs 17 per km
Pm me for his phone number if any body wants it
We used him last week to take some friends to Spice Plantation only 12 of us so lots of room
Charge Rs 17 per km
Pm me for his phone number if any body wants it
Jan 29th 2011 | 11:13 pm
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Re: Taxi
Just a line on this thread.
The main problem is there are to many taxis, More russians going who dont go on trips.
Because most people go to goa many times they have been on all the trips by taxi, me included.
We have`nt been back for 5 years but i know whats going on. we have known our driver for 20years and still keep in touch "no money given or asked for i may add" Not all of them do, but would you like to work in the paddy fields out of season for 50-70 rps a day "NO"
Find a good one treat him well, and remember you would`nt swap
The main problem is there are to many taxis, More russians going who dont go on trips.
Because most people go to goa many times they have been on all the trips by taxi, me included.
We have`nt been back for 5 years but i know whats going on. we have known our driver for 20years and still keep in touch "no money given or asked for i may add" Not all of them do, but would you like to work in the paddy fields out of season for 50-70 rps a day "NO"
Find a good one treat him well, and remember you would`nt swap
Jan 29th 2011 | 11:56 pm
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Re: Taxi
I agree with last posting - find a couple of good taxi drivers (safe driving is also important), negotiate rates for the places you usually visit, and stick with them throughout your stay.
Some are like sharks, otherwise!!
Some are like sharks, otherwise!!
