after going to goa for the past ten years and buying a house there 5 years ago. we have decided to sell up and never return. the place we once loved has deteriated beyond repair in our eyes. the crime rate has shot through the roof and the police cover it all up. the number of handbag snatches is unknown but it happens every night. the taxi drivers have got beyond greedy, i used to be a cab driver so i know all the tricks. they are now just thugs who want to rip everyone off big time. this is why they want 2 weekers only. im afraid that soon its going to be like kashmire. a beautiful country with a tourist industry set up but no tourist!!!
we have got to know a lot of goans and kashmirires, and like us there are some bad ones. unfortunatly it does seem like its there way of life to rip off anyone else. i now make sure when going into a shop in uk to walk out if there is an indian behind the counter. i will no longer employ a indian or support in any way. if its illegal for us to own a house there but they are encoraging us to input money it shows what theyre like.
have just returned for the last time and am appalled at how expensive everything is now compared to just a few years ago. we have been having 3 to 4 holidays out there every year for the past 5 year. just spent 4 months out there. have now worked out that now we have sold our house and will now be needing hotels, it will be just as expensive to go to the carabian all inclusive! wow let me think now! nice clean beaches, property with no bars on the windows,no garbage around your feet, no one spitting, no beggars, cab drivers who just add a little, um.
over the years of going to goa, we have met up with many uk people who have also bought and see them every year. this time no one. they have also seen the light and moved on.
i will now choose somewhere else in the world to holiday and spend my money. GOA ? IVE GONE

1. There is crime every night in our UK town.
2. Kashmir, Jammu-kashmir is a 'state', there will always be tourists because
of the unbelievable beauty, spoilt by government, territory fights and
insurgents from Pakistan.
3. So blame every Indian person (they are actually human beings like us).
4. It is illegal for an Indian national to buy a house in UK without investing a
sizeable amount of money. (Those who settle as citizens, different)
5. Haven't prices gone up in UK?
6. Caribbean, which island do you mean? Jamaican crime rate very high,
murder etc.
7. There never was this amazing paradise in Goa, just rose-tinted
glasses from some (only some) tourists wanting to turn it into a 'sunny
UK.' There have always been criminals and those willing to rip-off'
'innocents abroad.'

As 'Gregit' has said in another 'Christmas' thread India is 'Magic' for those
who can appreciate it. Thank you Gregit.

Utter rubbish.

12 years plus ago, Goa was great, it is only during the last few years that the drugs/corruption/violent crime have become so dominant, largely concurrent with the upsurge in arrivals by the Russians and Nigerians.
At least the Isrealis had the decency to keep it among them and their druggie clients and not involve the whole of society.
Of course there were local criminals and rip-off merchants, but very few and not "in your face" all the time, in fact even as a "true" foreigner, you sort of knew who they were in your village/area. No chance of that now!

Items 1-6, standard responses to any criticism of India/Indians, as Monty Python said;
"Do you you want the £5 or the £10 arguement?"


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J5 I was answering the previous post which apparently described locals not foreigners, indicated by the response of 'walking out of any UK shop with an Indian behind the counter'.
Certainly North Goa has changed beyond recognition this will always happen with mass tourism and usually not for the better.
Very few local criminals??!! not like you or your recent posts to praise Goans, what happened to you?
My opinion based on a great deal longer than 12 + years is that Goans are just like any other group -- good, bad, saintly, evil but mostly just ordinary with the same number of 'get rich quick if you can' as any others.

Clarifying, not praising, God forbid!

Maybe a dozen years ago the Goans concealed their true nature better?

My experience of Goa also goes back a lot further, but "in my opinion" nothing changed very much until quite recently.

One good thing from Steveandpaulines post, we now have an unintentional alternative name for Goa.........Cash-mire

And its shorter to type than Zimbabwe on Sea


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To Steve and Pauline,please enlighten me as to the location of this 'carabian all inclusive'. I've been living on various Caribbean islands for the past 16 years and none come close to fitting your utopian description.

If you re-read the post in question (as should Bipat) there was no reference made to an Utopia, low crime rates etc, they simply referred to the "joys" of an all inclusive holiday there, and that it was comparable in price. And that is certainly true if the prices of a holiday in Goa BEFORE the prices were slashed by a massive amount before Christmas.

Perhaps you should enlighten us all as to why the Carribean is such a bad place, before hoardes of ExGoaExpats invade the place?


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I knew J5's Goa 12 years ago and well before then - typed tears ago instead of years ago - hit the wrong up key by mistake and had to change the t for a y but should have left it - honestly as I could not have made that up - look where the 2 letter are - how ironic.

Have a look at this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ic-island.html


Hopefully the destination name does not have to change.

Google - 'We were virtually hacked to death with a machete in Tobago"
and you will see the story - tried to post a link but will not let me.

Lets put this record straight 'Gregit' thinks of Goans, as greedy and lazy, cheating even their own blood line, with no respect for people who try to help them. The advantage of Goa to Brits is the diet ie. able to get what we miss,bacon breakfast but what price, always I have said Goa is the easy India, language is not a problem, if you can tolerate the filth, spitting,urinating and hey folks defacating in public, this idea that OUTSIDE FOREIGNERS are stupid, the racism,the blaming all outsiders for the crime, sex trade and drugs. The rest of India is so rich in diversity all the rubbish is in Goa, I've not given up on India, but Goa is no place, even the bribes are cheaper elswhere

Now that hits a nerve!

I have shed far too many tears for the Goa that used to be, especially over the last two Christmases, happy memories, hopes destroyed, loved ones lost, and so so much more......

Fair enough, life moves on, but I strongly suspect that tiny little ex-Portuguese enclave on the coast of India has, in recent years, destroyed more lives than it has enhanced?





Hey Gregit!
How are you doing?
Loved your reply above, when I saw you being quoted in the earlier post it was like seeing him from Simply Red quoted in an article on sexual abstinence, or Mr A Hitler (common first name for Goan boys....why?) quoted in support of communism, or Denis Roussos on dieting, or even dafter, any official in Goa commenting on "justice".....
Would love to know how you are doing, PM me?


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The holiday Indians are too smart with their money and will not spend a rupee more than absolutely necessary..why?? Because they do not keep comparing the rupee with the pound and saying..thats cheap..only one pound fifty!!!

Hi, Hope you had a good Christmas.

Point No. 4 - Indians can buy property in the UK - just as long as they can obtain a mortgage, and put down the deposit, and have the courtesy on exchange not to say to the Solicitor, let me practice my "brothers" signature.
Now we definately lost that sale.

Hi, Noni my post did say legally.
Thank you we had a wonderful Christmas in spite of the snow. Spent some time planning the return to India/Goa in March.
Was actually pleased when I saw Gregit's post on Boxing day, someone who could actually have a good word about India (how foolish could I be!!). Of course all the above posts went back to the usual vitriol.
Could I suggest that there is more to Goa than the North Goan coastal area, and most Indians deplore the criminal types you describe.

Sun, sea, beach seemed like paradise when first discovered by those from outside but it always was a myth. Life is the 'shit'.