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Douglas M Jun 18th 2007 3:59 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by TDK (Post 4932388)
Hi again Andy & thanks for your response. It still seems a bit up in the air if a lease can be renewed but at the same time there can't be a right to renew(a bit subtle for me).

Yes the phrase Caveat Emptor must have been made specifically for buying foreign property! I don't think that most of FN buyers or developers were necessarily counting on the FNs meeting the 'residential' status as many would never be able to do the required stay,(atleast not within the inital 5 year lease period) as many buyers have to hold down jobs abroad, but i have no statistics.

Regards-TDK

Hi TDK,

You can buy ice cream in goa, but you dont have the right to buy it.

Important difference in terms of obligation by the ice cream seller and the price of ice cream to the buyer.

Ergo, important difference between a 5 year lease and a perpetual lease.

regards
douglas

Douglas M Jun 18th 2007 4:36 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 4931742)
Douglas said (well a lot of things actually , but recently:

well shame on you for giving up on your lovely property then - I'm months older than you and I reckon I'd still be trying for an X/tourist visa, talking to the British Consul/ my MP/ uncle Tom Cobley (but I feel for your bitter disappointment).

...


good idea, but under the Stamp Act as amended this would attract 90% of the usual Stamp Duty (my posts passim)

AndyD 8-)#

Hi a-f-d,

You outlined nonis comment on my objectivity regarding loss of my home, so i presume that was meant as a comment that required some explanation.

Unlike most people who have suffered loss in goa, I dont see the situation as a them and us confrontation, i am not trying to fix what has been broken.

My emotional involvement has nothing to do with the facts of the case and through my investment experience i am able to differentiate between the two and remove most of the emotional content from the equation. In doing so i can deal with it effectively and efficiently.

Combine that with a spiritual and philosophical bent and the answer in my case was to leave quietly and set up home somewhere else. Anything else would have involved unnecessary expenditure of both emotional energy and money in terms of lawyers fees and so on. More importantly it would have delayed the establishment of a new home.

Your last para now regarding POA , are you saying it is mandatory to register a POA?

if so, is the 90 % stamp duty paid offset against the stamp due to be paid when subsequently registering the sale deed, as with Agreement to Sale?

regards
douglas

normski Jun 18th 2007 8:03 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by Douglas M (Post 4934461)
Hi a-f-d,

You outlined nonis comment on my objectivity regarding loss of my home, so i presume that was meant as a comment that required some explanation.

Unlike most people who have suffered loss in goa, I dont see the situation as a them and us confrontation, i am not trying to fix what has been broken.

My emotional involvement has nothing to do with the facts of the case and through my investment experience i am able to differentiate between the two and remove most of the emotional content from the equation. In doing so i can deal with it effectively and efficiently.

Combine that with a spiritual and philosophical bent and the answer in my case was to leave quietly and set up home somewhere else. Anything else would have involved unnecessary expenditure of both emotional energy and money in terms of lawyers fees and so on. More importantly it would have delayed the establishment of a new home.

Your last para now regarding POA , are you saying it is mandatory to register a POA?

if so, is the 90 % stamp duty paid offset against the stamp due to be paid when subsequently registering the sale deed, as with Agreement to Sale?

regards
douglas

Hi Douglas
thought you may find this of intrest.
http://news.helplinelaw.com/0806/eco power.php
Regards Normski.

a_f_d Jun 18th 2007 8:37 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 
Douglas asked:

Your last para now regarding POA , are you saying it is mandatory to register a POA?

if so, is the 90 % stamp duty paid offset against the stamp due to be paid when subsequently registering the sale deed, as with Agreement to Sale?
Douglas, see "The Registration and other related laws (Amendment) Act, 2001"

hth - AndyD 8-)#

TDK Jun 18th 2007 9:48 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by Douglas M (Post 4934360)
Hi TDK,

This is one of those areas thats probably best not discussed here. You would have deed of gift in your posession that would justify you having a large amount of cash.

As i understand it, If you open an NRO account you are allowed to pay in rents and proceeds from sale of property and receive interest .

In the scenario i outlined ( if you used an NRO account) you would not be paying in the proceeds from the sale of property as you didnt sell the property cuz it was never yours to sell in the first place. You would be paying in a gift from a resident indian.

Regarding repatriation of funds from a NRO account now, you can repatriate the original capital and interest credited providing the account has not been opened for more than 6 months no questions asked.

Anything other than that and questions should be asked and the bank should get permission from RBI in order to release the funds. Thats where the lock in if applicable should kick in. So best not go there.

This is another reason why FNs should think very carefully before they invest in india ie exchange ccontrols particularly non residents

Just to touch on your delhi experienc, when i first arived in goa i unwittingly imported my personal posessions amd some furniture. The only visa available to me at that time was a tourist visa. Importing on a tourist visa was apparently an offence that i was unaware i was committing. Customs at vasco detained my posessions for two months and charged me duty and fined me a total of 1.6 lakhs. Yet another example of the things you cannot do on a tourist visa. They only allow you to be tourist and then go home, not set up home.

regards
douglas

Hi Douglas and thanks very much for your much appreciated detailed response to my last post which has given me more food for thought.

I have to say after hearing about your experience with importing your possessions to India, it makes my half day at the Delhi customs seem like a picknick! I don't blame you for giving up on Goa after all your experiences and heading to Malaysia!

BTW- i sent you some info on Buddhist centres in Malaysia etc by PM.

Thanks again and all the Best - TDK

aj_india Jun 18th 2007 10:06 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 
Hello All,

Apologies if I am out of flow of what is being discussed here - my interest is in Acron homes so I am not totally out of topic :). There's loads and loads of useful information here which is very helpful - but I have not been through all of them.

I want to know if any one has been to the India property exhibition in London last weekend where Acron had a stall to showcase their properties. I was there on saturday and met one of the directors of Acron India.

I am interested in Villa Veera or one of their new ventures coming up in Nagoa called Villa Julieta. Has anyone bought anything in any of these projects. If yes, are you planning to use it for youself after it is completed, or rent it out ... what kind of annual rental income are they projecting in the future, capital gain on the property and would it be easy to put it on resale if not happy with the end product.

And finally, how far is Villa Veera from Baga beach... walking distance, driving distance, are the roads ok to drive etc?

Thanking you all very much in advance :).

Aj.

TDK Jun 18th 2007 10:24 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by aj_india (Post 4935502)
Hello All,

Apologies if I am out of flow of what is being discussed here - my interest is in Acron homes so I am not totally out of topic :). There's loads and loads of useful information here which is very helpful - but I have not been through all of them.

I want to know if any one has been to the India property exhibition in London last weekend where Acron had a stall to showcase their properties. I was there on saturday and met one of the directors of Acron India.

I am interested in Villa Veera or one of their new ventures coming up in Nagoa called Villa Julieta. Has anyone bought anything in any of these projects. If yes, are you planning to use it for youself after it is completed, or rent it out ... what kind of annual rental income are they projecting in the future, capital gain on the property and would it be easy to put it on resale if not happy with the end product.

And finally, how far is Villa Veera from Baga beach... walking distance, driving distance, are the roads ok to drive etc?

Thanking you all very much in advance :).

Aj.

Hi Aj & a big Welcome to this site. I nearly went to the Indian property show you mentioned last Saturday but only with a view to grill the developers and ask awkward Qs, but then i realised there was little point and i didn't want to waste a rare day off.

Anyway just to say (incase yo don't already know) that unless you are a PIO/NRI buying property in Goa is now a No Go area (for anyone who values there money and sanity)! I'm pretty sure you need RBI permission to rent out a property also and need to pay tax on rental income etc (atleast if you do it by the book).

If you are an Foreign National (not of Indian origin) then i strongly advise you to closely studythe FEMA and RBI rules and regulations on FNs buying property in India as well as checking out all threads by Douglas M on this site as well as www.indiamike.com (click on 'Goa' then read all of Part 2 on foreigners buying property which i think is at the top of the Goa page).

If however you are an NRI/PIO/Indian National you still need to read the FEMA & RBI but much of the other info won't be applicable to you.

Good Luck and let us know how you get on - TDK:)

aj_india Jun 18th 2007 10:51 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 
Hi Mike,

Thanks a lot for your reply and information. I am an NRI, have been living in the USA and UK for the past 11 years plus. I have been going to Goa since 1992 (atleast once in two years) and the very first time I stepped into Goa, I knew this place is going to be very special to me in the coming years.

After several visits in the past 10/15 years, I now feel that Goa is the only place in India where I could spend extended holidays when in India. The intension now is to buy a place in Goa (close to Baga beach) and rent it out during the season when the rental potential is more and use it for about two months in a year for myself around August/October.

Acron seems to be a very reputed company and their finished projects look very good compared to other(s) as the fact that they are a bit expensive compared to other builders. Being an NRI, I think most of the problems people are facing are not a concern.

Anyways, I will be in Goa in October and will have to check out Acron homes to finalize the deal... :)

Thanks.

Aj.

aj_india Jun 18th 2007 11:08 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 
TDK, apologies for the name "Mike".... don't know what was on my mind.... probably IndiaMike.... :eek:

Douglas M Jun 18th 2007 11:32 pm

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by aj_india (Post 4935703)
Hi Mike,

Thanks a lot for your reply and information. I am an NRI, have been living in the USA and UK for the past 11 years plus. I have been going to Goa since 1992 (atleast once in two years) and the very first time I stepped into Goa, I knew this place is going to be very special to me in the coming years.

After several visits in the past 10/15 years, I now feel that Goa is the only place in India where I could spend extended holidays when in India. The intension now is to buy a place in Goa (close to Baga beach) and rent it out during the season when the rental potential is more and use it for about two months in a year for myself around August/October.

Acron seems to be a very reputed company and their finished projects look very good compared to other(s) as the fact that they are a bit expensive compared to other builders. Being an NRI, I think most of the problems people are facing are not a concern.

Anyways, I will be in Goa in October and will have to check out Acron homes to finalize the deal... :)

Thanks.

Aj.

Hi aj,

Nice to hear fom you with confirmation of your status.

Whilst your acess problems are minimal, you may still be buying of plan and ther are obvious risks there. I have done several posts on this subject, the most recent to dicky lewis.You will find a list of checks and balances you need to do to minimise the risk.

regards
douglas

noni Jun 19th 2007 12:02 am

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 4931762)
noni said:

why lemons? looks AOK to me, and should have been accepted by the sub-registrar on face value.

AndyD 8-)#

Hi,
Have you actually bought an apartment, Andy or just thinking of it?

aj_india Jun 19th 2007 12:06 am

Re: Acron Homes
 
Hi Douglas,

Thanks a lot for the info. I will look at your earlier posts.

Acron and many other reputed companies are pre-approved by HDFC and ICICI banks provided you are taking home loans from one of them. Since the bank(s) will be making the installments in a phased approach (as they periodically check the building's development), the buyer is at a less risk of losing money.

The registration papers at the end of the project is handed over to the bank (in this case HDFC or ICICI) by the builder and remains with the bank till you pay off your home loan which could be paid over the original period of the loan or not more than 90% in a financial year.

I have gone through this whole process for an apartment that I bought about two years back in Hyderabad (south India) and everything was smooth sailing. Now if Goa is different than other states when it comes to paper work, I will have to investigate on that one.

Anyways, thanks to everyone.

Aj.

TDK Jun 19th 2007 1:50 am

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by aj_india (Post 4935703)
Hi Mike,

Thanks a lot for your reply and information. I am an NRI, have been living in the USA and UK for the past 11 years plus. I have been going to Goa since 1992 (atleast once in two years) and the very first time I stepped into Goa, I knew this place is going to be very special to me in the coming years.

After several visits in the past 10/15 years, I now feel that Goa is the only place in India where I could spend extended holidays when in India. The intension now is to buy a place in Goa (close to Baga beach) and rent it out during the season when the rental potential is more and use it for about two months in a year for myself around August/October.

Acron seems to be a very reputed company and their finished projects look very good compared to other(s) as the fact that they are a bit expensive compared to other builders. Being an NRI, I think most of the problems people are facing are not a concern.

Anyways, I will be in Goa in October and will have to check out Acron homes to finalize the deal... :)

Thanks.

Aj.

Hi Aj and thanks for your reply and your NRI status should certainly spare your sanity,(you lucky devil) and i agree that Acron is considered to be one of Goa's top notch builders so should have no probs there. I have spoken with the directors on a number of occasions and was impressed by their profesionalism, but what i said still stands about buying in India being a No Go for FNs for the forseeable future (who ever the developer).
I agree that you'd be very wise to carry out the checks that Douglas suggested and i wish you all the very best - TDK :)

a_f_d Jun 19th 2007 4:16 am

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by noni (Post 4936047)
Hi,
Have you actually bought an apartment, Andy or just thinking of it?

to quote Douglas "FN's cannot buy property in India <g>"

but to answer more fully, I started down the "Agreement of Sale" route before Aug '06 (in our case plus a 'Let and Leave' rather than a lease, but it pretty much amounts to the same thing).

AndyD 8-)#

normski Jun 19th 2007 4:24 am

Re: Acron Homes
 

Originally Posted by normski (Post 4935028)
Hi Douglas
thought you may find this of intrest.
http://news.helplinelaw.com/0806/eco power.php
Regards Normski.



seem to be having problems copy n paste ..hope this works

http://news.helplinelaw.com/0806/eco_power.php


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