Petition to stay in EU for 180 days
#16
Re: Petition to stay in EU for 180 days
In the interest of people having the full information, there has never been visits of more than 90 days to anywhere in the EU (except the UK, which was a UK allowance) as a visitor, even when the UK was an EU member. Any period spent over 90 days in an EU member state legally required residency registration under the grounds of employment, self-employment, student or self-sufficiency. The UK made registration for EU nationals in the UK optional.
The petition is asking for something neither the UK or any other nationality gets anywhere in the EU. If the EU allows this exception for the UK, what other exceptions will the UK want, and how many other third-countries are also going to want the same exceptions? I hope the EU says no!
The petition is asking for something neither the UK or any other nationality gets anywhere in the EU. If the EU allows this exception for the UK, what other exceptions will the UK want, and how many other third-countries are also going to want the same exceptions? I hope the EU says no!
#17
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Can you imagine the outrage in certain quarters in the UK if, now that Brexit has been done, and got over the line, and is in the oven, and has been thoroughly brexited meaning brexited, someone in the France were to launch a petition to the Commission to re-open negotiations to allow French hotel staff to work in the UK for 180 consecutive days?
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Can you imagine the outrage in certain quarters in the UK if, now that Brexit has been done, and got over the line, and is in the oven, and has been thoroughly brexited meaning brexited, someone in the France were to launch a petition to the Commission to re-open negotiations to allow French hotel staff to work in the UK for 180 consecutive days?
Also nose and face. These same quarters were so keen on being like Australia, but Australia is part of France's young traveller scheme https://france-visas.gouv.fr/web/fra...plus-de-3-mois. So what these certain quarters have proudly achieved, is to deprive Brits of the opportunities that young people from all these countries have:
- Australie,
- Argentine,
- Brésil,
- Canada (accord sur la mobilité des jeunes),
- Chili,
- Colombie,
- Corée du Sud,
- Japon,
- Nouvelle-Zélande,
- Hong Kong,
- Mexique,
- Pérou,
- Russie,
- Taïwan,
- Uruguay.
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Re: Petition to stay in EU for 180 days
If HMG is going to agree more favourable arrangements for anyone, I think it should be for youngsters and artistes who want to work in the EU.
Why these tourists don't apply for long stay tourist visas like other TCNs do, is beyond me.
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And that is precisely the point. The issue from the EU side is the indivisibility of the four freedoms. This petition is an example of the picking and choosing of aspects of EU membership that the UK (or some in the UK, or some expat Brits) would like to retain, whilst rejecting the aspects of EU membership that it does not.
When it comes to British tourists on the Med, it's in "everyone's interests" for the EU to be generous in not requiring visas. When it comes to foreign workers in the UK, the issue is "sovereignty" and "taking back control of our borders".
When it comes to British tourists on the Med, it's in "everyone's interests" for the EU to be generous in not requiring visas. When it comes to foreign workers in the UK, the issue is "sovereignty" and "taking back control of our borders".
#21
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And that is precisely the point. The issue from the EU side is the indivisibility of the four freedoms. This petition is an example of the picking and choosing of aspects of EU membership that the UK (or some in the UK, or some expat Brits) would like to retain, whilst rejecting the aspects of EU membership that it does not.
When it comes to British tourists on the Med, it's in "everyone's interests" for the EU to be generous in not requiring visas. When it comes to foreign workers in the UK, the issue is "sovereignty" and "taking back control of our borders".
When it comes to British tourists on the Med, it's in "everyone's interests" for the EU to be generous in not requiring visas. When it comes to foreign workers in the UK, the issue is "sovereignty" and "taking back control of our borders".
Look, I'm on your side in many ways. There was absolutely no reason for Brexit to have to happen on NYD 2021. Whilst I did support the idea of Brexit, I think the challenges of 2020 outweighed the urgency of "getting it done". It just added more uncertainty at a time when that was the absolute last thing the country needed. Postponing it for another year or two in light of the pandemic really wouldn't have hurt anyone.
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Re: Petition to stay in EU for 180 days
Also of course, there are tourists and tourists.
One could speculate that this particular category of tourist, ie Brits who have acquired the habit of staying at their home from home long term, are not the same category of high spending tourists that countries want to attract. For a lot of people the main point of having a holiday home is not to live the tourist lifestyle, eating at restaurants every day and doing the tourist attractions and buying souvenirs and stuff. What countries really want is tourists who spend as much in a fortnight in hotels, restaurants and visitor attractions, as holiday home owners do in three months.
One could speculate that this particular category of tourist, ie Brits who have acquired the habit of staying at their home from home long term, are not the same category of high spending tourists that countries want to attract. For a lot of people the main point of having a holiday home is not to live the tourist lifestyle, eating at restaurants every day and doing the tourist attractions and buying souvenirs and stuff. What countries really want is tourists who spend as much in a fortnight in hotels, restaurants and visitor attractions, as holiday home owners do in three months.
#23
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Nail on head, unfortunately.
Also nose and face. These same quarters were so keen on being like Australia, but Australia is part of France's young traveller scheme https://france-visas.gouv.fr/web/fra...plus-de-3-mois. So what these certain quarters have proudly achieved, is to deprive Brits of the opportunities that young people from all these countries have:
Also nose and face. These same quarters were so keen on being like Australia, but Australia is part of France's young traveller scheme https://france-visas.gouv.fr/web/fra...plus-de-3-mois. So what these certain quarters have proudly achieved, is to deprive Brits of the opportunities that young people from all these countries have:
- Australie,
- Argentine,
- Brésil,
- Canada (accord sur la mobilité des jeunes),
- Chili,
- Colombie,
- Corée du Sud,
- Japon,
- Nouvelle-Zélande,
- Hong Kong,
- Mexique,
- Pérou,
- Russie,
- Taïwan,
- Uruguay.
#24
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Also of course, there are tourists and tourists.
One could speculate that this particular category of tourist, ie Brits who have acquired the habit of staying at their home from home long term, are not the same category of high spending tourists that countries want to attract. For a lot of people the main point of having a holiday home is not to live the tourist lifestyle, eating at restaurants every day and doing the tourist attractions and buying souvenirs and stuff. What countries really want is tourists who spend as much in a fortnight in hotels, restaurants and visitor attractions, as holiday home owners do in three months.
One could speculate that this particular category of tourist, ie Brits who have acquired the habit of staying at their home from home long term, are not the same category of high spending tourists that countries want to attract. For a lot of people the main point of having a holiday home is not to live the tourist lifestyle, eating at restaurants every day and doing the tourist attractions and buying souvenirs and stuff. What countries really want is tourists who spend as much in a fortnight in hotels, restaurants and visitor attractions, as holiday home owners do in three months.
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Re: Petition to stay in EU for 180 days
They chose not to fulfil the legal requirement for residency when we were an EU member state, and still don't want to be bothered with the same requirements now we're not... But now, they're not going to get away with it as easily.
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Re: Petition to stay in EU for 180 days
DG, I don't think this is a question of "sides" (yours and mine). It's the fact that agreements were reached after years of painful negotiations, yet only a month and a half after the definitive date, one side is trying to unpick them. (Both the British government, and individual British interest groups, although they are trying to unpick quite different things.) The impression is that the UK side talks as if Brexit were done and dusted, but acts as if it were a work in progress.
Both sides made concessions. There isn't much desire on the EU side to re-open the whole thing. Of course, one could say that it's just a little tweak. But then numerous parties on both sides would want their own little tweaks to an agreement that they don't think is "working", or in their view gave too much away.
Both sides made concessions. There isn't much desire on the EU side to re-open the whole thing. Of course, one could say that it's just a little tweak. But then numerous parties on both sides would want their own little tweaks to an agreement that they don't think is "working", or in their view gave too much away.
#27
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DG, I don't think this is a question of "sides" (yours and mine). It's the fact that agreements were reached after years of painful negotiations, yet only a month and a half after the definitive date, one side is trying to unpick them. (Both the British government, and individual British interest groups, although they are trying to unpick quite different things.) The impression is that the UK side talks as if Brexit were done and dusted, but acts as if it were a work in progress.
Both sides made concessions. There isn't much desire on the EU side to re-open the whole thing. Of course, one could say that it's just a little tweak. But then numerous parties on both sides would want their own little tweaks to an agreement that they don't think is "working", or in their view gave too much away.
Both sides made concessions. There isn't much desire on the EU side to re-open the whole thing. Of course, one could say that it's just a little tweak. But then numerous parties on both sides would want their own little tweaks to an agreement that they don't think is "working", or in their view gave too much away.
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Re: Petition to stay in EU for 180 days
The same youth mobility, international study (excluding Erasmus) and working holiday programs that were there pre-Brexit will still be there after the pandemic has ended. They will still be able to apply for temporary visas and work permits for Canada, Australia, Japan and elsewhere because those programs had absolutely nothing to do with the EU.
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Re: Petition to stay in EU for 180 days
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But you can make the same argument elsewhere tbh. Here in Canada there are retirees and even some remote workers who spend the winters in Florida. Most of them will likely remain at home for most of their time there and will eat food from supermarkets etc and some even drive down in RV's but parts of the local economy in Florida have grown to depend on them.