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Old Feb 9th 2021, 6:49 pm
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Anyone interested there is a Petition started in the UK that requests the UK Gov to ask the EU to allow stays of 180 days at a stretch rather than the 90day ruling currently in force.
Might be the answer to anyone that does not wish to take out residency but prefer to spend more than 90 days. Not changing the total in a year at 180 but to allow a single visit of 180 days.
Nothing to loose, 8000 already signed:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/562577
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Anyone interested there is a Petition started in the UK that requests the UK Gov to ask the EU to allow stays of 180 days at a stretch rather than the 90day ruling currently in force.
Might be the answer to anyone that does not wish to take out residency but prefer to spend more than 90 days. Not changing the total in a year at 180 but to allow a single visit of 180 days.
Nothing to loose, 8000 already signed:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/562577
In the interest of people having the full information, there has never been visits of more than 90 days to anywhere in the EU (except the UK, which was a UK allowance) as a visitor, even when the UK was an EU member. Any period spent over 90 days in an EU member state legally required residency registration under the grounds of employment, self-employment, student or self-sufficiency. The UK made registration for EU nationals in the UK optional.

The petition is asking for something neither the UK or any other nationality gets anywhere in the EU. If the EU allows this exception for the UK, what other exceptions will the UK want, and how many other third-countries are also going to want the same exceptions? I hope the EU says no!
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Completely agree with DaveLovesDee informative post.
Like it or not, these are fruits of brexit. Time to accept reality and move on.
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Default Re: Petition to stay in EU for 180 days

Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
In the interest of people having the full information, there has never been visits of more than 90 days to anywhere in the EU (except the UK, which was a UK allowance) as a visitor, even when the UK was an EU member. Any period spent over 90 days in an EU member state legally required residency registration under the grounds of employment, self-employment, student or self-sufficiency. The UK made registration for EU nationals in the UK optional.

The petition is asking for something neither the UK or any other nationality gets anywhere in the EU. If the EU allows this exception for the UK, what other exceptions will the UK want, and how many other third-countries are also going to want the same exceptions? I hope the EU says no!
A little clarification please. As this is the France forum, do I understand you are saying that those retired or working in France pre Brexit legally required residency registration under the grounds of employment, self-employment, student or self-sufficiency?



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Originally Posted by Tweedpipe View Post
A little clarification please. As this is the France forum, do I understand you are saying that those retired or working in France pre Brexit legally required residency registration under the grounds of employment, self-employment, student or self-sufficiency?
Yes, pre-Brexit, any EU national resident in another EU member state longer than 90 days (the UK chose to implement six months) was required to register for a Residence card under one of those categories (the UK chose to make registration optional). Here's a simple guide for France, aimed at Brits.

To have protected rights under the Withdrawal Agreement, you must be legally resident in France under EU rules before the end of the transition period - currently set for 31 December 2020.

​Legal residence is more than just having a foot on French soil so in order to make sure that you're covered, it's time to understand what's what and get your house in order!
Obviously extending the transition period would have reduced the problems businesses shipping to the EU, and Brits with second homes in the EU and given these more time to prepare.

What does it mean to be 'legally resident' in another EU country?

​To live legally under EU rules in another EU country, you must be exercising your 'treaty rights of free movement' - the treaty being the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU). The treaty gives you the right to go to another EU country to do one or more of these four things:
  • to work;
  • to enter into self employment or self establishment (run a company);
  • to live self sufficiently (living on your own resources, whether retired or other); and
  • to study.
​For example, as a UK citizen living in France under one of the circumstances above, provided you meet the conditions you are making use of EU law and are legally resident in France.
Many Brits with second homes in EU countries chose not to register their longer-than-90-day residence, and are now finding out they have a problem. Those Brits who moved permanantly abroad face no such problems because they did the registration stuff.

I've never seen that page before, but it's very useful.

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Completely agree with DaveLovesDee informative post.
Like it or not, these are fruits of brexit. Time to accept reality and move on.
But Brexit , as DLD points out, has nothing to do with it!
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But Brexit , as DLD points out, has nothing to do with it!
Well it has, because before Brexit nobody checked and folks were able to bend the rules to suit themselves, either knowing they would get away with it or in some cases apparently not even knowing that they were bending the rules.
Since Brexit they can't. That's why it's suddenly become an issue.
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But Brexit , as DLD points out, has nothing to do with it!
But the petition clearly implies that it has -

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Negotiate more favorable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens

From 1st January 2021, U.K. citizens travelling to the EU will only be allowed to stay a maximum of 90 days in every 6 month period.

The government must negotiate reciprocal treatment for its U.K. citizens, meaning allowing stays of atleast 180 consecutive days.
More detailsThe new rules will mean that if someone stays in a country for three months continuously they will then not be allowed to return to that country for another three months.

This is extremely unfair to the millions of Britons who own second homes all over Europe and have been splitting their life between the U.K. and another EU country for decades now.
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Originally Posted by ETwenthome View Post
Well it has, because before Brexit nobody checked and folks were able to bend the rules to suit themselves, either knowing they would get away with it or in some cases apparently not even knowing that they were bending the rules.
Since Brexit they can't. That's why it's suddenly become an issue.
Well if people didn't check or were staying in France illegally then that is another issue and still has nothing to do with Brexit. Presumably the same morons will continue to try and flout the law. Why blame Brexit when , and as you have said, it is those who overstayed were the ones at fault! perhaps it is because Brexit is to blame for everything eh?
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But the petition clearly implies that it has -
Because it is in a petition doesn't make it right, they can say anything. DLD is correct.
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Because it is in a petition doesn't make it right, they can say anything. DLD is correct.
I agree.
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Default Re: Petition to stay in EU for 180 days

How can the UK government negotiate a "more favorable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens" if some of the Tory user base are demanding to rip the WA apart?
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Brexit has changed things in that as EU citizens we could spend up to 3 months consecutive in any one EU country, whereas as non EU citizens we can spend 90 days out of 180 in Schengen.
This is obviously more restrictive. For instance, previously you could legitimately have spent 2 months in France, followed by 2 months in Spain, followed by another month in France. Now you can't.
Those are the facts and I don't see what's to argue about. There are more restrictions, and these restrictions will be enforced. It's what the UK voted for.
I have a vast amount of sympathy for groups such as British musicians who may no longer be able to tour, and British seasonal workers who have lost the prospect of working in the EU. I have zero sympathy for holiday home owners who seem to be so "entitled" they think it's demeaning for THEM to have to apply for the appropriate visa.
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How can the UK government negotiate a "more favorable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens" if some of the Tory user base are demanding to rip the WA apart?
Are they?
Some of them want to tear the NI protocol up.
Some of them don't like the trade deal.
I hadn't actually heard that any of them want to go back on the Withdrawal Agreement.
Though I suspect there are some who can't tell one from t'other.

But I agree, I don't think HMG has any interest at all in renegotiating anything more favourable on freedom of movement.
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Can you imagine the outrage in certain quarters in the UK if, now that Brexit has been done, and got over the line, and is in the oven, and has been thoroughly brexited meaning brexited, someone in the France were to launch a petition to the Commission to re-open negotiations to allow French hotel staff to work in the UK for 180 consecutive days?
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