wellinever

Anyone interested there is a Petition started in the UK that requests the UK Gov to ask the EU to allow stays of 180 days at a stretch rather than the 90day ruling currently in force.
Might be the answer to anyone that does not wish to take out residency but prefer to spend more than 90 days. Not changing the total in a year at 180 but to allow a single visit of 180 days.
Nothing to loose, 8000 already signed:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/562577

DaveLovesDee

In the interest of people having the full information, there has never been visits of more than 90 days to anywhere in the EU (except the UK, which was a UK allowance) as a visitor, even when the UK was an EU member. Any period spent over 90 days in an EU member state legally required residency registration under the grounds of employment, self-employment, student or self-sufficiency. The UK made registration for EU nationals in the UK optional.

The petition is asking for something neither the UK or any other nationality gets anywhere in the EU. If the EU allows this exception for the UK, what other exceptions will the UK want, and how many other third-countries are also going to want the same exceptions? I hope the EU says no!

EU.flag

Completely agree with DaveLovesDee informative post.
Like it or not, these are fruits of brexit. Time to accept reality and move on.

Tweedpipe

A little clarification please. As this is the France forum, do I understand you are saying that those retired or working in France pre Brexit legally required residency registration under the grounds of employment, self-employment, student or self-sufficiency?

DaveLovesDee

Yes, pre-Brexit, any EU national resident in another EU member state longer than 90 days (the UK chose to implement six months) was required to register for a Residence card under one of those categories (the UK chose to make registration optional). Here's a simple guide for France, aimed at Brits.

Obviously extending the transition period would have reduced the problems businesses shipping to the EU, and Brits with second homes in the EU and given these more time to prepare.

Many Brits with second homes in EU countries chose not to register their longer-than-90-day residence, and are now finding out they have a problem. Those Brits who moved permanantly abroad face no such problems because they did the registration stuff.

I've never seen that page before, but it's very useful.

KJMW

But Brexit , as DLD points out, has nothing to do with it!

EuroTrash

Well it has, because before Brexit nobody checked and folks were able to bend the rules to suit themselves, either knowing they would get away with it or in some cases apparently not even knowing that they were bending the rules.
Since Brexit they can't. That's why it's suddenly become an issue.

scrubbedexpat142

But the petition clearly implies that it has -

KJMW

Well if people didn't check or were staying in France illegally then that is another issue and still has nothing to do with Brexit. Presumably the same morons will continue to try and flout the law. Why blame Brexit when , and as you have said, it is those who overstayed were the ones at fault! perhaps it is because Brexit is to blame for everything eh?

KJMW

Because it is in a petition doesn't make it right, they can say anything. DLD is correct.

scrubbedexpat142

I agree.

scrubbedexpat077

How can the UK government negotiate a "more favorable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens" if some of the Tory user base are demanding to rip the WA apart?

EuroTrash

Brexit has changed things in that as EU citizens we could spend up to 3 months consecutive in any one EU country, whereas as non EU citizens we can spend 90 days out of 180 in Schengen.
This is obviously more restrictive. For instance, previously you could legitimately have spent 2 months in France, followed by 2 months in Spain, followed by another month in France. Now you can't.
Those are the facts and I don't see what's to argue about. There are more restrictions, and these restrictions will be enforced. It's what the UK voted for.
I have a vast amount of sympathy for groups such as British musicians who may no longer be able to tour, and British seasonal workers who have lost the prospect of working in the EU. I have zero sympathy for holiday home owners who seem to be so "entitled" they think it's demeaning for THEM to have to apply for the appropriate visa.

EuroTrash

Are they?
Some of them want to tear the NI protocol up.
Some of them don't like the trade deal.
I hadn't actually heard that any of them want to go back on the Withdrawal Agreement.
Though I suspect there are some who can't tell one from t'other.

But I agree, I don't think HMG has any interest at all in renegotiating anything more favourable on freedom of movement.

scrubbedexpat0105

Can you imagine the outrage in certain quarters in the UK if, now that Brexit has been done, and got over the line, and is in the oven, and has been thoroughly brexited meaning brexited, someone in the France were to launch a petition to the Commission to re-open negotiations to allow French hotel staff to work in the UK for 180 consecutive days?