Originally Posted by timpage74

Just found a reply from you on another thread about this. Probably not a good idea to send vett with ARTC app

Originally Posted by SamG123

Hi,
Thanks for getting back to me, I will contact TRA again on Monday and see what they say as my partner has explained to TRA that I completed a formal apprenticeship of 4 years and have got qualifcations to prove I am a Qualified Electrician and a electricians gold JIB card, but when she spoke to them they said I still needed 7 years exprence and I only have 5 years . They told her that I shouldn't bother applying as I will be wasting my money.

So now I am a bit confused as to what to do thanks Sam

Originally Posted by derren7

If you look through this forum you will see that some sparks take a short cut and do the PEER course in Adelaide which requires no gap training to get a South Aus licence .

Originally Posted by steve`o

bit long winded but hear goes

firstly you`ll need an artc not a tra cert dont mix te two up asthe first is for migration only the second is for licencing purposes

http://www.deewr.gov.au/Skills/Progr...Pages/faq.aspx



to re-iterate the 7 years is for people with no formal qualifications
( see section 4 of the electrical trades document below )
the problem we have here with beuracratic organistaions ( in my opinion ) is
that everyone in these organisations seems to interprete the rules "as they see it" rather than refuring to the actual rules n regs

the actual rules copied from the artc website regarding the UK

http://www.deewr.gov.au/Skills/Progr...Documents.aspx

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND
A resident of Australia may be regarded as eligible for an ARTC under the TRR Act, if they comply with the following criteria:

Electrical Trades
The person must be at least 19 years of age and have:
1. completed successfully an apprenticeship, or equivalent traineeship, including successful completion of appropriate formal training(3), in the electrical trades and, if necessary, had a period of employment experience on work ordinarily performed by a tradesperson in that classification(2) which, together with the period of apprenticeship, totals not less than 4 years; or
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2. completed the training program for an electrical craftsman prescribed by any Industry Training Board approved by the Central Trades Committee, including successful completion of appropriate formal training(3), received the Craftsman's Certificate and had a period of employment experience on work ordinarily performed by a tradesperson in that classification(2) which, together with the period of training, totals not less than 4 years; or
3. been a regular serviceperson and reached the standard contained in the agreement between the Service and relevant Union for recognition as a skilled electrical tradesperson; or
4. according to the guidelines adopted from time to time by Central Trades Committees, satisfied a Skills Assessor who is an electrical tradesperson, or a non‐electrical Skills Assessor on the advice of a qualified electrical tradesperson, that the person:
(a) has been employed for not less than 7 years on work ordinarily performed by an electrical tradesperson in that classification(2); and,
(b) is capable of performing the work of that classification in Australia.

Endnotes
(1) An apprenticeship in the engineering trades is to be interpreted as including any period of fulltime schooling after the age of 16 which is specified on a deed of Apprenticeship or Certificate of Completion of Training or other documentary evidence as part of an Apprenticeship of 4 years duration under the provisions of the agreement between the Engineering Employers Federation and the Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Union.
(2) Any period of formal training in a Government Training Centre and any subsequent in‐plant training or improvership shall be taken into account in reckoning the period of employment for the purpose of this paragraph.
(3) (a) The appropriate formal training is the level 2 certificate from the City and Guilds of London Institute, or equivalent.
(b) Applicants who have not completed appropriate formal training are required to satisfy a Skills Assessor that they are capable of performing the work of that classification in Australia.






as part of your application you will need to really spell out what you have done amd when

use the artc`s own statement as a guide

What are tradespeople in Australia expected to be capable of? You must demonstrate that you are capable of doing the same range of work at the same level of skill as a tradesperson trained in Australia.
The work of a tradesperson includes:
reading work instructions and technical drawings common to the trade;
planning independently the method and order of doing a job;
using measuring instruments correctly;
marking out, laying out and setting up trade work;
selecting appropriate materials, tools, machines and equipment;
making appropriate settings on tools, machines and equipment;
performing trade work independently; and
checking and/or testing work against established standards.
You must also demonstrate that you have sufficient theoretical or underpinning knowledge of the trade.


and you wont go far wrong

hope this helps

steve

Originally Posted by solidtoz

Hi Steve, Ive recently been given my ARTC/Electrical mechanic and Im in the process of applying for an Electrical permit to work in QLD. Section 4 of form 11 states that I must have an SRTO number. Does this mean I have to have a job before I apply for this? Should I be going to the TAFE before I send this form off. Any help would be much Appreciated.

Toz