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Garfielduk Oct 5th 2006 6:13 am

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by Cowtown
What do they use instead? How do you know about this?

Butch may be right with Hot Water, however when I worked for a Community Care Charity they used what they called alternatives to bleach made by Unilever but Care Staff said they were never as good as bleach and also my wife works in a Nursing Home now and its the same there, bleach is BANNED just in case someone burns themselves or a patient gets hold of it and drinks it !

Oh and Calgal says it is overuse of things but I don't think that the MRSA thing was around when bleach was used for example. These new alternaties just cannnot clean toilets very well :eek:

neill Oct 5th 2006 9:40 am

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Oh, good one. We got into trouble with Parks Ontario for burning "natural wood" at a campsite just over the border. Apparently they're only happy if you're burning "unnatural wood" (the soaking-wet log bags costing $10 that you have to buy from the ranger's office).

"Got any Unnatural wood?" the running joke ever since.

On a lighter note, i hear councils are introducing "Chip-and-Bin", or "Pay-as-you-throw" technology in the UK for 'metered rubbish' collection.

I don't know which country is worse.



Originally Posted by dbd33
They absolutely are in Toronto. For years I participated in a Wednesday night pick up game of football, completely informal, bags for goalposts, school yard stuff. Eventually the police came and broke it up and I was fined $52 for playing with a ball in park without a permit. (I added the ticket to my collection of Canadiana along with the ones for "wine with picnic" and "allowing small children to paddle in lake, no permit"). I then got into a correspondence with Parks and Rec over what is allowed in the park and it turns out that technically no form of exercise is allowed unless it's part of a formal league which has liability insurance. This is in consequence of the city being sued after someone bicycled off a cliff where there was no sign saying not to do so.

The correspondence was long and some of my examples bizarre but one that did interest me was sex in cars. Apparently that's ok with Parks and Rec so long as no one puts a foot on the ground for leverage, it may not be ok with the police but the city has no position on obscenity.


neill Oct 5th 2006 9:49 am

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I don't know what ON is like, but up here in Quebec, I haven't seen ONE cyclist use head / tail lamps on their bikes. I've seen 2 collisions, one cyclist was using all manner of profanities against the motorist, because he 'didn't stop' ... It was in the twilight.. Police didn't look like they cared too much either way. We have this lovely ZERO-fault policy which basically means neither party can sue. However my car insurance is only $250 p.a. so i'm not complaining.



Originally Posted by kt0157
There will be if you're involved in a car accident while riding without one: just try suing the driver for injury compensation and see how fast the insurance company comes back with "you caused the accident by not wearing a helmet."

K.


Garfielduk Oct 5th 2006 10:00 am

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by neill
I don't know what ON is like, but up here in Quebec, I haven't seen ONE cyclist use head / tail lamps on their bikes. I've seen 2 collisions, one cyclist was using all manner of profanities against the motorist, because he 'didn't stop' ... It was in the twilight.. Police didn't look like they cared too much either way. We have this lovely ZERO-fault policy which basically means neither party can sue. However my car insurance is only $250 p.a. so i'm not complaining.

I'd love to know about this car insurance as most people I have spoken to on here are paying more like $1000 per vehicle and they say it does not matter whether it is a small car or a Big Truck or is it that Quebec is particularly cheap for insurance ?

dbd33 Oct 5th 2006 10:32 am

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by neill
I don't know what ON is like, but up here in Quebec, I haven't seen ONE cyclist use head / tail lamps on their bikes. I've seen 2 collisions, one cyclist was using all manner of profanities against the motorist, because he 'didn't stop' ... It was in the twilight.. Police didn't look like they cared too much either way. We have this lovely ZERO-fault policy which basically means neither party can sue. However my car insurance is only $250 p.a. so i'm not complaining.


I haven't seen a bike with lights here. It's quite frightening to drive through Chinatown in the winter when there are all these unlit bikes wobbling through the snow.

The daughter who was in the collision is in Montreal so maybe she wouldn't have the option to sue even if she wanted to.

Mr Lee Oct 5th 2006 11:33 am

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Take-a-penny, Leave-a-penny trays are de rigeur at nearly all Esso service stations in the UK now. I worked at Esso (in the head office, not in a service station) and the marketing people were slapping each others backs in an annoying fashion in every company magazine because of the deemed success of the scheme. I would have thought though, that most petrol stations would be down on their takings at the end of every week as I somehow can't imagine that many people actually leaving a penny in Britain!

As for the "political-correctness-gone-mad" witterings, Canada's just as bad as the UK. In McDonald's in Britain they'd give me a cup of hot water to heat my baby son's bottle, no problem, but they won't here for fear of being sued, should I accidentally splash myself... :rolleyes:

Cowtown Oct 5th 2006 12:11 pm

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by Garfielduk
Oh and Calgal says it is overuse of things but I don't think that the MRSA thing was around when bleach was used for example. These new alternaties just cannnot clean toilets very well :eek:

MRSA has been around since the early 1980's.

Cowtown Oct 5th 2006 3:42 pm

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by iaink
OK, my ebay sax arrived at work today. $22.66 owing in duty/ handling.

I had $22.56 in my pocket. Posty pulled out his own change, gave me 10c, said, "dont worry about it."

Its the little things like that that make my life here a joy.

A sax??

An alto by chance??

We have something in common ... unless sax is short for something else ... ebay is a big place and I'm getting on a bit ...

Canada2006 Oct 5th 2006 7:15 pm

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by Mr Lee

As for the "political-correctness-gone-mad" witterings, Canada's just as bad as the UK. In McDonald's in Britain they'd give me a cup of hot water to heat my baby son's bottle, no problem, but they won't here for fear of being sued, should I accidentally splash myself... :rolleyes:

I walked into House of Fraser in Manchester and asked them to heat up my daughter's dinner in the microwave... complete refusal in case I didn't stir it, check it and my daughter burnt herself.

They would however, heat it in hot water, but I couldn't take the bowl of hot water with me.

In France and Belgium, in the microwave no questions asked!

What is really good in the UK is the abundance of high chairs at cafés and restaurants - beats eating in her Maclaren for my daughter.

Garfielduk Oct 5th 2006 11:16 pm

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by Cowtown
MRSA has been around since the early 1980's.

You must have done your homework on this so maybe you can tell us all if the number of cases has gone up from the early 1980's to now and at what sort of pace ?

And on the subject of Health and safety madness is Canada as mad as the UK on this ?

What about the USA, are they just as mad on H&S and Political Correctness ?

Is Canada following or leading in terms of Governmental Big Brother ?

Canada2006 Oct 5th 2006 11:25 pm

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by Garfielduk
You must have done your homework on this so maybe you can tell us all if the number of cases has gone up from the early 1980's to now and at what sort of pace ?

And on the subject of Health and safety madness is Canada as mad as the UK on this ?

What about the USA, are they just as mad on H&S and Political Correctness ?

Is Canada following or leading in terms of Governmental Big Brother ?

I suppose the answer to your question, is that they have different issues. I always remember the look of horreur on a Canadian colleague's face when my manager brought out a try of champagne to celebrate our success: "In Canada you'd get fired for bringing alcohol into work"... he was from Manitoba, we were in Bruxelles.

Souvenir Oct 5th 2006 11:32 pm

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by Garfielduk
I'd love to know about this car insurance as most people I have spoken to on here are paying more like $1000 per vehicle and they say it does not matter whether it is a small car or a Big Truck or is it that Quebec is particularly cheap for insurance ?

When we moved from Oakville (ON) to Gatineau (QC) two years ago, the insurance on our 2000 Pontiac Shitfire dropped from $93/month to $34, with the same company. That answer your question?

I think in Quebec there may be some form of insurance premium built into the drivers licence fee or vehicle tax but I'm not certain.

dbd33 Oct 5th 2006 11:54 pm

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by Garfielduk
What about the USA, are they just as mad on H&S and Political Correctness ?

I suppose it depends what you mean by Political Correctness. Both Canada and the US are big on employment quotas; schemes whereby organizations are expected to employ a mix of staff reflective of the local population and to contract firms according to criteria other than commercial ones. The various levels of government invite tenders for various jobs either using or favouring "set aside dollars", that is money budgeted for minority owner firms. There's a whole industry in being go betweens; firms that are minority owned that contract with the clients and then subcontract the work to other firms. Trade shows, especially shows for the defense industry, offer a bewildering selection of broker companies, aboriginal owned, black owned, lesbian aboriginal owned; the only thing missing is the wheelchair. I myself have had a contract since 1986 shadowing an employee of a large corporation who was hired for his ethnicity and who has never done any work at all. I do little enough and I'm carrying him.

There aren't really any H&S issues in the computer business, contractors carry liability insurance but I've never heard of a claim or, indeed, any H&S issue being discussed. It's my guess that the dangerous trades, construction, farming, and so on, mainly employ undocumented workers for the really risky stuff and so bypass the issue.

iaink Oct 6th 2006 12:48 am

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by Cowtown
A sax??

An alto by chance??

We have something in common ... unless sax is short for something else ... ebay is a big place and I'm getting on a bit ...

No, I have a couple of Altos already, that "new" one was a Tenor:)

I have another Tenor Im trying to sell cheap...if you are interested. Its not a name brand or anything, but works just fine and for say $300 you couldnt really complain. There are some pics here, and I have larger ones on request.

http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...nor/?start=all

daft batty Oct 6th 2006 1:20 am

Re: Would this happen in the UK?
 

Originally Posted by or4ngecrush
Some English shops have refused my Scottish money, and have many people with that same experience. Has it ever happened the other way round up here in Scotland?

Emma

p.s. the best thing that happened to me though was getting £4 change from my Scottish pound note. They thought it was £5. lol :o


er did you hand it back???


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