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Old Aug 17th 2013 | 7:02 am
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Originally Posted by AllyS
Off topic but I do think house prices in Calgary are on a par with the southeast of the UK, so salaries here are in line with the cost of living. On that note, we find that the cost of most things here (in Calgary) is higher than the UK because a) they have to travel further to be delivered here and weather not conducive to reliable deliveries b) no free trade agreement with the US c) Canadian Govt piles on large import duties on a lot of consumables. BUT we don't have a grasp on what the price of things is like in the UK these days.


Calgary is more expensive because it is booming right now (ie. supply and demand). it is not representative of the rest of the country.

And I have no idea what you mean by "b) no free trade agreement with the US" as the entire country is party to a free trade agreement with the US (NAFTA).
 
Old Aug 17th 2013 | 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by bats
Insurance, food, booze, meds, clothes, flowers, cleaning stuff, household appliances, all cost more than the UK.

I disagree.

Food and clothes are not more expensive here (unless you are shopping in bargain basement places in the UK). I found that prices in the UK were basically the same as here, but that was obviously in GBP rather than CDN. Once you do the exchange rate that makes the British stuff more expensive. When you factor in the lower salaries there then food is definitely more expensive. Same goes for cleaning stuff (I am assuming you are referring to household cleaning products as opposed to industrial stuff).

I have no idea about insurance rates back in Britain because I didn't own a car there but my insurance rates here are very reasonable - less than $1000 per year. And gas is cheaper here as well. Plus there is no ridiculous MOT required.

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Old Aug 17th 2013 | 7:06 am
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Originally Posted by russellg
You see far more rusty cars on the road in Ontario than in the UK these days. When I was a kid (30+ years ago) it was commonplace for cars to suffer from tinworm within a few years (or months in the case of my Dad's 1985 Ford Escort!) but looking at secondhand cars in Ontario reminds me of when I bought my first Vauxhall Nova in 1993. Its very rare to see a car with significant corrosion in the UK these days. I still think that many secondhand cars I've seen I certainly wouldn't feel safe driving, whether they are "legal" to drive on the roads or not. It's got to a point when I am considering not bothering buying a car and just renting one for the odd weekend when I want to get away - that's how worried I am at the state of the cars I've looked at!

Try looking at reputable dealers and you'll be fine.
 
Old Aug 17th 2013 | 7:31 am
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Originally Posted by colchar
I disagree.

Food and clothes are not more expensive here (unless you are shopping in bargain basement places in the UK). I found that prices in the UK were basically the same as here, but that was obviously in GBP rather than CDN. Once you do the exchange rate that makes the British stuff more expensive. When you factor in the lower salaries there then food is definitely more expensive. Same goes for cleaning stuff (I am assuming you are referring to household cleaning products as opposed to industrial stuff).

I have no idea about insurance rates back in Britain because I didn't own a car there but my insurance rates here are very reasonable - less than $1000 per year. And gas is cheaper here as well. Plus there is no ridiculous MOT required.
An MOT is not ridiculous imo, its a sensible safety thing. You see some real horrors here, bald tyres, no brakes, rusted frames, at least if there was some form of yearly safety check these road hazards would be controlled a little more and there would I reckon be fewer deaths.
 
Old Aug 17th 2013 | 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by colchar
Try looking at reputable dealers and you'll be fine.
Happen to know of any in the St Catharines/Niagara Falls area? I've not found one yet (at least one I feel comfortable with) and without service histories I am unwilling to commit serious money to a car. I wouldn't dream of spending a lot of money on a car in the UK without some evidence that the car has had maintenance, i'm not about to start in Canada.
 
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Originally Posted by Piff Poff
An MOT is not ridiculous imo, its a sensible safety thing. You see some real horrors here, bald tyres, no brakes, rusted frames, at least if there was some form of yearly safety check these road hazards would be controlled a little more and there would I reckon be fewer deaths.
Couldn't agree more with this - the MOT has forced people to sort their cars out or get rid of deathtraps as it has become more stringent - the main problem in the UK now are the plethora of Eastern European cars now on the roads (which are still on their old countries plates) which have not been MOT'd. There is a big problem with unroadworthy Eastern European trucks as well.
I was surprised at how many knackered cars there are on the roads in Ontario (the same goes for New York State - I saw a Ford Explorer in Top's car park where the frames were so corroded that the thing would have folded like concertina in a shunt).
 
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Originally Posted by colchar
I disagree.

Food and clothes are not more expensive here (unless you are shopping in bargain basement places in the UK). I found that prices in the UK were basically the same as here, but that was obviously in GBP rather than CDN. Once you do the exchange rate that makes the British stuff more expensive. When you factor in the lower salaries there then food is definitely more expensive. Same goes for cleaning stuff (I am assuming you are referring to household cleaning products as opposed to industrial stuff).

I have no idea about insurance rates back in Britain because I didn't own a car there but my insurance rates here are very reasonable - less than $1000 per year. And gas is cheaper here as well. Plus there is no ridiculous MOT required.
Milk and cheese. Dairy is a ridiculous price in Ontario.

Car insurance is also very expensive (and I live in Greater Manchester where I get ripped off for car insurance even though I've got 15 years no claims). When my wife moved over to Ontario last April the cheapest quote she had was $4000! Fortunately this dropped after 6 months to around $1200, but cheap it most certainly isn't.
 
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Originally Posted by russellg
Happen to know of any in the St Catharines/Niagara Falls area? I've not found one yet (at least one I feel comfortable with) and without service histories I am unwilling to commit serious money to a car. I wouldn't dream of spending a lot of money on a car in the UK without some evidence that the car has had maintenance, i'm not about to start in Canada.
Have a look at Wiley Autos in St Catherines, we bought a gorgeous car from there a couple of years ago and the guy was really good to deal with.
 
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Have a look at Wiley Autos in St Catherines, we bought a gorgeous car from there a couple of years ago and the guy was really good to deal with.
Was the guy open to negotiation? Everything I looked at on there seemed a bit pricey (I looked at a VW a couple of months ago that was dear).
 
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Originally Posted by russellg
Was the guy open to negotiation? Everything I looked at on there seemed a bit pricey (I looked at a VW a couple of months ago that was dear).
Yes he is and he only seems to have decent stuff (or did when we were there). From our conversations, it seems like he has been in business for a long time, we would deal with him again. My oh will only buy a 'deal' so it says something if we bought there and then paid for shipping to Alberta and it was still a deal
 
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Originally Posted by colchar
I have no idea about insurance rates back in Britain because I didn't own a car there but my insurance rates here are very reasonable - less than $1000 per year.
Less than $1000 a year is 'very reasonable'?! By UK standards that's really expensive - mine is £180 this year and would be a lot cheaper if I drove a car with a smaller engine.

I agree with bats and think food, clothes etc are much more expensive in Canada, as do most others on the forum who've commented on prices. Yes, I do shop at 'bargain basement places', but I can buy all of my children's clothes for less than £150 a year, and certainly couldn't do that in Canada.
 
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Originally Posted by colchar
I disagree.

Food and clothes are not more expensive here (unless you are shopping in bargain basement places in the UK). I found that prices in the UK were basically the same as here, but that was obviously in GBP rather than CDN. Once you do the exchange rate that makes the British stuff more expensive. When you factor in the lower salaries there then food is definitely more expensive. Same goes for cleaning stuff (I am assuming you are referring to household cleaning products as opposed to industrial stuff).

I have no idea about insurance rates back in Britain because I didn't own a car there but my insurance rates here are very reasonable - less than $1000 per year. And gas is cheaper here as well. Plus there is no ridiculous MOT required.
Food was definitely cheaper in England when I was there in june. I am just back from the store here, $2 for a cucumber, $8 for a squash $4 for a melon, $5 for cherries, $2 for apples. Clothese were cheaper, I bought some. Shoes around the same. $1000 only for car insurance? You must have a short journey to work.
 
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Originally Posted by Piff Poff
Yes he is and he only seems to have decent stuff (or did when we were there). From our conversations, it seems like he has been in business for a long time, we would deal with him again. My oh will only buy a 'deal' so it says something if we bought there and then paid for shipping to Alberta and it was still a deal
That can't have been cheap! I'm not desperate in the short term so unless i'm 100% happy with the deal i'll walk away.
 
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Originally Posted by christmasoompa
Less than $1000 a year is 'very reasonable'?! By UK standards that's really expensive - mine is £180 this year and would be a lot cheaper if I drove a car with a smaller engine.

I agree with bats and think food, clothes etc are much more expensive in Canada, as do most others on the forum who've commented on prices. Yes, I do shop at 'bargain basement places', but I can buy all of my children's clothes for less than £150 a year, and certainly couldn't do that in Canada.
£180 for a year? Where do you live? In Greater Manchester I pay around £475 for one car (with 15 years no claims, no points ever, no convictions). Whichever way you look at it, car insurance in Ontario (I don't know about the other provinces) is very expensive.
 
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Mobile phone contracts are also more expensive in Canada. I don't understand why a lot of contracts have "local calls" - its a mobile phone, by definition it moves! The whole prepaid thing as well, I've been into mobile phone stores loads of times and I still can't understand the way it works in Canada. I ended up getting a 7-eleven phone (which is so basic it's like being back in 1998) because it was the only "pay as you go" phone that resembled payg in the UK.
 


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