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Old Jun 14th 2011 | 4:48 am
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
The bad news is that when I'm looking at a resume for a new hire fresh from Uni, those from an "Asian" uni with its reputation for hard work will be the one I'm going to choose to interview.
I don't give a sh1t about the none academic socialization of my new graduates at that stage , I'll pick the most socialized candidate from the uni with a reputation for producing high achieving hard workers via the interview process!
So maybe you can name the "non Asian" unis where kids with good grades don't get jobs? I know plenty of kids who went to places like Carleton, McMaster, Western and Queen's and who worked hard, got good grades and landed good jobs. They also happened to party too but they were able to lead a balanced life that did not affect their grades. Yes, some kids fall through the cracks at the more "social' schools due to less focus and greater temptation - but it's not like everyone does.

I do agree however that somewhere like U of T has a higher reputation. However, remember that some kids just won't do well at U of T because it's not a good fit for them. They can go to a good school elsewhere (e.g. McMaster, Western, Queen's etc) and do better because it's a better fit. No sense struggling at U of T if you can flourish at a good school somewhere else.

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Old Jun 14th 2011 | 5:40 am
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Originally Posted by MarylandNed
So maybe you can name the "non Asian" unis where kids with good grades don't get jobs? I know plenty of kids who went to places like Carleton, McMaster, Western and Queen's and who worked hard, got good grades and landed good jobs. They also happened to party too but they were able to lead a balanced life that did not affect their grades. Yes, some kids fall through the cracks at the more "social' schools due to less focus and greater temptation - but it's not like everyone does.

I do agree however that somewhere like U of T has a higher reputation. However, remember that some kids just won't do well at U of T because it's not a good fit for them. They can go to a good school elsewhere (e.g. McMaster, Western, Queen's etc) and do better because it's a better fit. No sense struggling at U of T if you can flourish at a good school somewhere else.
It's a choice, but if you go to the better schools you naturaly get a better chance of getting the better jobs on the first round
 
Old Jun 14th 2011 | 5:50 am
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
It's a choice, but if you go to the better schools you naturaly get a better chance of getting the better jobs on the first round
The UofT isn't a better school than, say, McGill, it's just more Asian.
 
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
It's a choice, but if you go to the better schools you naturaly get a better chance of getting the better jobs on the first round
Maybe. You may also burn out quickly and be a poor team player. Not a good fit for many employers.

Then again, if such a competitive spirit drives you, you will likely head south and earn more money and/or thrive in the dog eat dog working environment that simply does not exist in Canada.
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
the dog eat dog working environment that simply does not exist in Canada.
Er, I've worked a fair bit in the same industry in both the US and Canada. I'd say that computer contractors and pimps are just as likely in either country to exploit new arrivals from the home country, jump ship for a buck an hour, disemploy people when someone a buck cheaper comes along, stick the newcomer with the blame and generally behave like shits. I'd say that computing in Canada is a relatively kind and gentle business compared to say, real estate, pharmaceutical sales, garbage disposal and the running of strip joints/knocking shops. And then, for real savagery, there's Tupperware, AmWay and Mary Kay.
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Then again, if such a competitive spirit drives you, you will likely head south and earn more money and/or thrive in the dog eat dog working environment that simply does not exist in Canada.
The dog eat dog certainly exists here,
and as much as it does in any other capitalist system where profit and performance related bonuses are given out!
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Maybe. You may also burn out quickly and be a poor team player. Not a good fit for many employers.
But many employers consider that an acceptable risk in order to get the most motivated high performers

and from my limited experience it would also seem to fit the several multinationals I’ve worked for
 
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Er, I've worked a fair bit in the same industry in both the US and Canada. I'd say that computer contractors and pimps are just as likely in either country to exploit new arrivals from the home country, jump ship for a buck an hour, disemploy people when someone a buck cheaper comes along, stick the newcomer with the blame and generally behave like shits. I'd say that computing in Canada is a relatively kind and gentle business compared to say, real estate, pharmaceutical sales, garbage disposal and the running of strip joints/knocking shops. And then, for real savagery, there's Tupperware, AmWay and Mary Kay.
Originally Posted by MikeUK
The dog eat dog certainly exists here,
and as much as it does in any other capitalist system where profit and performance related bonuses are given out!
I accept that it may exist between businesses but, from my experience, it is certainly lacking between co-workers. "Seniority" and a lack of willing to do anything other than the way it has always been done would die very quick deaths if it did.
 
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
But many employers consider that an acceptable risk in order to get the most motivated high performers

and from my limited experience it would also seem to fit the several multinationals I’ve worked for
Hence the use of the word "many" on the post of mine you have quoted.

Shitty employers are everywhere. I need little convincing about that.
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
I accept that it may exist between businesses but, from my experience, it is certainly lacking between co-workers.
I was talking about co-workers. My proudest moment in Canada was shortly after arrival when the boss showed two other workers the door and allowed me to work an extra fifteen hours a week in replacement of them.
 
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I accept that it may exist between businesses but, from my experience, it is certainly lacking between co-workers. "Seniority" and a lack of willing to do anything other than the way it has always been done would die very quick deaths if it did.
I see the existance of " 'Seniority' and a lack of willing to do anything other than the way it has always been done" a union thing

Once the unions are removed the dogs start to fight

Certainly my experiance in 'head office' your co-worker can be considerd expendable if it maximises profit
 
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I'm glad i don't work with some of the people on here. I'd have been fired a long time ago
 
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
I see the existance of " 'Seniority' and a lack of willing to do anything other than the way it has always been done" a union thing

Once the unions are removed the dogs start to fight

Certainly my experiance in 'head office' your co-worker can be considerd expendable if it maximises profit
You appear to be confusing "management" with co-worker
 
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Originally Posted by el_richo
I'm glad i don't work with some of the people on here. I'd have been fired a long time ago
Ditto.

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Thank you. I find it harder to be as calm as you in the face of such sad ignorance, but i really shouldn't expend my energies.

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