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He is, however, entitled to an opinion on any subject he wishes, without having to be subjected to a 'higher than thou' tirade thrown at him

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And if he chooses to voice his opinions in an open forum he can expect them to be attacked. If he wants to sit at home and splutter into his milk stout, fine and good.

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The above is like saying there isn't a Canada, just a collection of Provinces.

Effectively there is a Canadian health care system, Canadians are covered no matter where they receive treatment in Canada, and beyond...

To say that the NHS offers better care "in some locations" is about as nebulous a statement as it gets, at the end of the day it says nowt...

I too have high regard for some of the Hospitals here, but there's others that I'd avid like the plague. Don't know if you saw that program on the BBC a couple of days ago, about the extent of MRSA and how Dr's were covering up the real cause of death on the Death Certificate by putting it down to Pneumonia. That may be tolerable to some folks, but it sure aint to me...

If you feel that your life is in safe hands over here, safer than it might be in Canada, then that's your right to believe that, and I wouldn't want to argue the point with you, I'd respect your differing opinion, I don't have a problem on that, but I do have a problem with witless folks how can't see the sardonic humour intended.

Bob.

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Bob - when I read your story about your whistle blower problems I thought "wow - what a guy" and gave you plenty of respect.

Having read what you have posted today I have also thought "wow" but this time it is surprise that you have, despite getting through all the trials and tribulations, remained a small-minded little englander wanting to bow to the Daily Mail and kick-out at any other poor soul who needs a helping hand.

Yes I know some of the Asylum seekers will be bogus (just wanting an opportunity to better their lot and work in the UK) but very many will not be. Most of the immigrants I see in the UK are the Kosovan car cleaners at tesco's or the Pakistani doctor or the Polish plumbers & builders.

You guys with your "too many immigrants wanting to skive from the hard working British families) diatribe really show yourselves up for what you really are - pretty small overall.

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Pity YOU don't know the rest of the story then hey !

Bob.

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Actually I could. I just choose not to.

Everybody is entitled to their view. YES everybody, if they dont want it challenged they shouldnt post.

As an observation I believe that the NHS that Bob is attacking is the same NHS under which he has been recieving treatment?
As far as paying (UK) taxes and NI contributions did he continue these whilst resident in Canada?

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That would be fair especially in the context of the provision of government controlled services.

Deliberately so. I sought to suggest the comparison meaningless.

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Having read your post and the resulting thread and so far resisted the urge to join in, I still come back to the same question that arose in my mind to start with........ What prompted your comments? Are you waiting for a hip replacement?.... is some relative of yours?.... Has your DOG just had surgery?

I too worked in the NHS for about 20 years, including 2 years on a joint replacement programme. When I left our hospital (in Worthing on the Costa Geriatrica, where the number of over 65's was about twice the national average) we were struggling to meet the 6 month wait time, that the government had laid down, even though year on year the numbers of surgeries carried out went up drastically. The next target we were supposed to meet was a THREE month wait. After this time the hospital gets fined :rolleyes: and the patient can opt to travel elsewhere for their treatment at the local authority's expense. In other words, another fine, to a hospital already struggling ..... very helpful.

The only way to meet the targets, and we were moving towards it, is to discharge patients within about 3 days of their surgery. This actually can work quite well, if there is a rehab ward or adequate services to support them at home. But that comes down to money and staffing again. And the patients don't like "being thrown out of hospital too early" either.

Yes the system is under stress, but it does beat what's going on here in Alberta, from what I've seen so far. Please don't label us as uncaring, if that was your point.

And if you can come up with a system that works better, with no cost to the patient at the point of delivery, then I'm sure the politicians would be pleased to hear it!

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I'm not sure that any amount of detail about life in the aeroplane parts industry would convince me that you're an authority on the merits of the claims of refugees but, go ahead, explain it all slowly.

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What an extraordinary ability you have to take one post and model who you think I am from that ? I'm amazed...

Here, stick this in your crop, one thing, just one thing you don't know about me is that until recently I was a Director of the LINDA Foundation in Lira, Uganda, raising funds to secure the health, safety, education, shelter, etc etc for children orphaned by the Lords Resistance Army, that make me any smaller in your eyes ? Or the campaigning for better care and treatment options for people with cancer here in the UK ? smaller still now hey ? you have no idea what I have done in my time !

Just because you might not like what I have to say, in ironic jest, doesn't reduce me in anyones eyes except your own, and if you knew the bigger picture you'd learn to know more about folks before you measured them.

Bob.

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Like you Mo I had been resisting the urge to post But just couldnt hold out any longer. :mad:

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You just wouldn't want to know that I spent 5 months in Africa helping some of the most needy people on the planet would you, hey, that wouldn't fit your projected profile of me would it...

Bob.

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You projected the profile; I know of you only what you choose to tell me in your posts. I don't think doing charitable work in Africa makes one an expert on refugee claimants or healthcare systems but, if it does, I should be delighted to interview Angelina Jolie at length on the subject.

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This idea that patients recover better at home reverberates with me. My wife had a partial hysterectomy at the beginning of May and was discharged the next day. The basis for her release was that she had managed to go to the bathroom by herself and was thus in a fit state to recover at home. Had she been kept in for a couple of days, odds are that the medical staff would have spotted the infection setting in long before we did. Instead, she ended up in ER, followed by five days on a drip and a much longer than anticipated recovery period.

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I too disagree with some of Bob's opinion of the NHS, and was not defending him on that point. KT0157 was attacking Bob's view of (in my own words) government persecution, saying

"i hope your country never .. sends agents round to your house to torture your wife because of what..""

and

"The best education you could receive is for you yourself to be a victim of the kind of abuse these people are fleeing. Short of me coming around to your house and attaching electrodes to your testicles"