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Old Nov 27th 2009, 2:59 pm
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Originally Posted by The Aviator
An appliance does not spark unless it is defective, it would be the contact between the plug connectors and the receptacle. The spark occurs when connecting and disconnecting. A load only occurs when an appliance is switched on, not when standing idle, connected or not. If the appliance is not switched on (not the outlet) no current is flowing.
Iron's don't typically have on/off switches (not that I would know as I don't bother with it)
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Old Nov 27th 2009, 3:13 pm
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Originally Posted by trouncer
I also have a few things like guitar amp and effects that I think only work on 240v (they got packed away and shipped over due to the rush of the removal men). I really miss playing the old axe and stuff and buying new stuff is so expensive.
It might be worth checking with the manufacturer. Some amps that seem to be single voltage can be used on 110V just by changing a fuse. Unfortunately, I don't know how or why or which ones.
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
Iron's don't typically have on/off switches (not that I would know as I don't bother with it)
So then you would not leave it plugged into a wall socket all the time would you?
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Originally Posted by The Aviator
So then you would not leave it plugged into a wall socket all the time would you?
No - i never plug the thing in.
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No - i never plug the thing in.
So the only load would be on your arm when you move it out of the way to get to he cookie tin?
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Old Nov 27th 2009, 3:26 pm
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So the only load would be on your arm when you move it out of the way to get to he cookie tin?
Well yes. My clothes go un-ironed.

There's always a spark when you make a connection if the power is high enough (it's not the voltage per se, i.e you plenty of sparks from a 12v car battery). The difference with electrical sockets that have switches is that the sparking happens out of sight.
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Old Nov 29th 2009, 12:25 am
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Originally Posted by canadian_critic
Well here's the difference. Outlets don't have switches so appliances like irons spark like buggery as they're always on. The higher the load the greater the spark. Can't believe you've not noticed this. It's very well known, but if you're not looking for it I guess it's easy to miss.
This is total balderdash. Perhaps your father was having a little joke at the expense of the family's weakest link?
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I can tell you that Canadian electricity gives you quite an oomph if you are touching the plug connectors when you push the plug into the outlet. I don't do this anymore.
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Originally Posted by fledermaus
I can tell you that Canadian electricity gives you quite an oomph if you are touching the plug connectors when you push the plug into the outlet. I don't do this anymore.
I would hope not.

I hope you weren't doing it deliberately in the first instance.

There are less dangerous ways to curl your hair.
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Originally Posted by Steve_P
I would hope not.

I hope you weren't doing it deliberately in the first instance.

There are less dangerous ways to curl your hair.
No, not deliberately though there are days when it seems like a good plan. I was lying on the floor under the bed trying to plug the extension cable in. My finger hit the connector and the electricty hit me. Rather unpleasant but very luckily no lasting damage
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Hi
Maybe it's a BC thing,
But in the houses we have been in the front rooms have sockets covered by a switch, very handy for things like lamps etc..
Likewise the local council, will issue permits for '240v' sockets in the house.( apparently a lot of brits request them)

As to 'The higher the load the greater the spark', I tend to agree, try 'plugging' in an a item turned on with a 10A draw then try one with a 50A draw, the spark will be bigger..

Some 240 only equipment does work here, i.e. chargers, but they take longer to charge, and my boys scalextric set states 240v only but it works OK and has been for 3 yrs..
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Originally Posted by jerry brewer
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As to 'The higher the load the greater the spark', I tend to agree, try 'plugging' in an a item turned on with a 10A draw then try one with a 50A draw, the spark will be bigger..
No. The breakdown voltage of dry air at STP is about 33kV/cm. So, at 240V you might get a spark about 0.08 mm long on plugging something turned on in. At 120V, it'd be half as long.

When unplugging a turned on device, surface imperfections on the contacts could cause a discharge (more likely to happen at 240V than 120V and independent of the current draw, i.e. independent of load at constant V), and this discharge, once established, could extend to larger scale lengths due to ionization of air providing a reduced resistance pathway once the spark is established.
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Originally Posted by canadian_critic
According to my father who was an electrical engineer, this is also why you get the disconcerting sparks when plugging appliances in. I put it down to dodgy foreigner electrics myself, but open to debate on the matter...
I have also witnessed sparks when plugging things in. Also noticed the lights dimming when turning on the vacuum cleaner or hair dryer. Agree entirely about dodgy foreign electrics. Those stupid wire nuts would never be allowed in a civilised country.
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No. The breakdown voltage of dry air at STP is about 33kV/cm. So, at 240V you might get a spark about 0.08 mm long on plugging something turned on in. At 120V, it'd be half as long.

When unplugging a turned on device, surface imperfections on the contacts could cause a discharge (more likely to happen at 240V than 120V and independent of the current draw, i.e. independent of load at constant V), and this discharge, once established, could extend to larger scale lengths due to ionization of air providing a reduced resistance pathway once the spark is established.
More likely? Shorting a battery of any voltage will generate a spark which kind of indicates that load is a factor.
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
More likely? Shorting a battery of any voltage will generate a spark which kind of indicates that load is a factor.
Why?

Don't get confused with car batteries, which have an inductance (an autotransformer) in the circuit.
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