Scoreless soccer for U12
#46
Re: Scoreless soccer for U12
Instead it's better to humiliate them by convincing them that they can't count?
My eldest kid started playing basketball in Germany when he was about 10. In the first competitive game he played in the score was 99-2 for the other team.
He went on to become a pretty good player.
My eldest kid started playing basketball in Germany when he was about 10. In the first competitive game he played in the score was 99-2 for the other team.
He went on to become a pretty good player.
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Re: Scoreless soccer for U12
i coached from u7s through to u13s when i left.
Now up to u10s teams played in a friendly league where there were no standings but just results and yes they wanted to win every game..at u11 the teams would then enter the competitive league and you suddenly saw a different nature emerge where the boys could see the whole picture of who exactly the best teams were and where their local rivals stood..and it definelty created a more competitive edge to the games that did not existed before and it was something they really enjoyed and got them talking and thinking about the up and coming games.
As for fathers i never had any issues in the UK as most had grown up playing football and were more laid back about the whole thing.
Now up to u10s teams played in a friendly league where there were no standings but just results and yes they wanted to win every game..at u11 the teams would then enter the competitive league and you suddenly saw a different nature emerge where the boys could see the whole picture of who exactly the best teams were and where their local rivals stood..and it definelty created a more competitive edge to the games that did not existed before and it was something they really enjoyed and got them talking and thinking about the up and coming games.
As for fathers i never had any issues in the UK as most had grown up playing football and were more laid back about the whole thing.
I currently coach U14s in a very competitive league in the US (many professional players including US National team players played in this league). We have scores/standings and promotion/relegation in 6 divisions in the U14 age group. However the coaches know what the correct priorities are, they are educated and licensed (many are very highly licensed) and most are paid. The kids already have a reasonable degree of skill and the soccer is of a relatively high standard. Posting scores/standings works in this league (although they don't do it U9-U11).
In other leagues where the standard of coaching is much lower and the priorities are all wrong, posting scores/standings can cause problems.
#48
Re: Scoreless soccer for U12
I accept that my comment was anecdotal. I assume you have solid research for the opposite position?
#50
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If my kids' team was getting humped so much every week that the coaches were hiding the scores, I'd be sacking the coaches.
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Re: Scoreless soccer for U12
I agree. If the priorities are right, there's no harm with posting scores/standings at all and it does add a competitive edge.
I currently coach U14s in a very competitive league in the US (many professional players including US National team players played in this league). We have scores/standings and promotion/relegation in 6 divisions in the U14 age group. However the coaches know what the correct priorities are, they are educated and licensed (many are very highly licensed) and most are paid. The kids already have a reasonable degree of skill and the soccer is of a relatively high standard. Posting scores/standings works in this league (although they don't do it U9-U11).
In other leagues where the standard of coaching is much lower and the priorities are all wrong, posting scores/standings can cause problems.
I currently coach U14s in a very competitive league in the US (many professional players including US National team players played in this league). We have scores/standings and promotion/relegation in 6 divisions in the U14 age group. However the coaches know what the correct priorities are, they are educated and licensed (many are very highly licensed) and most are paid. The kids already have a reasonable degree of skill and the soccer is of a relatively high standard. Posting scores/standings works in this league (although they don't do it U9-U11).
In other leagues where the standard of coaching is much lower and the priorities are all wrong, posting scores/standings can cause problems.
My husband coaches and I am a ex UK season-ticket holder (yes, I do know the offside rule, and yes, that comment was funny - people have lost their sense of humour). Some mothers need shooting. We had a right nut case one year - paid her kid $5 for every goal FFS. He never passed - can't think why.
OH just goes about coaching the right way, concentrates on skills and hopes it comes together.
At the end of the day, our kid will play a good game of football and we hope his teammates will, wherever that may be. The only thing we miss from the UK is a kickabout in the park with whoever's there.
MarylandNed - agree with all your posts
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Re: Scoreless soccer for U12
it's part of a big realignment of the canadian sport system (www.ltad.ca) and increasingly, all sport funding in canada at the federal and provincial levels is being linked to this model for sport development. which is not to say it's without its faults...
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Re: Scoreless soccer for U12
Development of the Game
Currently, Canada does not have a cohesive, coherent
model for promoting lifelong wellness
and elite achievement through soccer. In this regard,
there are several issues of concern that
soccer shares with other sports in Canada:
• Young players over-compete and undertrain.
• Young players often follow adult training and
competition schedules.
• Young female players often follow programs
designed for males.
• Training/practice in the developmental years
often focuses on winning and not on development
(short-term result versus long-term
process).
• Chronological age influences coaching and
selection rather than biological age (physical
maturation).
• The so-called critical periods of accelerated
adaptation are under-utilized.
• Poor programs between the ages of 6-16 result
in athletes never reaching their genetic
potential.
• The “best” coaches are encouraged to work
at elite levels – they are not recognized as
essential to the success of developmental
programs in novice groups.
• Coach education tends to provide only a superficial
understanding of the growth, maturation,
and development stages of young
players.
• There is no integration between physical education
programs in the school system, community
recreational programs, and elite
competitive programs.
#57
Re: Scoreless soccer for U12
1st thing that came to my mind was, the coaches who run up the score will still run up the score.
Last year at u11 2 parents complained to the head coach, we have 3 teams of 14 each season we divided the players equally amongst the coaches.
The complaint - I spend to much time developing than winning. Head coach phoned me up and said thank you, refused to transfer the players 1 quit for the season the other played for me. After the city final he came over and said thank you and he was sorry for the problem at the begining of the season.
The problem I see in manitoba is not enough tiering. good players don't have enough competition, so playing with out scores will dilute the programs more and more.
Last year at u11 2 parents complained to the head coach, we have 3 teams of 14 each season we divided the players equally amongst the coaches.
The complaint - I spend to much time developing than winning. Head coach phoned me up and said thank you, refused to transfer the players 1 quit for the season the other played for me. After the city final he came over and said thank you and he was sorry for the problem at the begining of the season.
The problem I see in manitoba is not enough tiering. good players don't have enough competition, so playing with out scores will dilute the programs more and more.
#58
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Re: Scoreless soccer for U12
England academy and school of excellence teams don't keep track of scores. France the players don't
This is the french philosophy
No matches, games for 1.5 years until technique is perfected
No emphasis on results - each match is a training session
High value on learning and making mistakes and being a perfectionist
Some people need to realize before they form an opinion, it should be a valid one.
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Re: Scoreless soccer for U12
Its football not soccer - this is the Brit expat forum grrrrr
And 12 year old kids should not be kicking a size 5 ball as it was proven beyond all doubt by the FA that it causes joint damage. (This is what ball sizes are for)
Scoreless football - what a politically correct crock of ////. Its in a kids nature to compete.
And 12 year old kids should not be kicking a size 5 ball as it was proven beyond all doubt by the FA that it causes joint damage. (This is what ball sizes are for)
Scoreless football - what a politically correct crock of ////. Its in a kids nature to compete.