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Souvy Sep 6th 2012 3:09 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10267207)
What about trucking? Ever heard of In transit movements which is done everyday
(a) In-transit – The movement of goods from a point in the United States to another point in the United States through Canada, as well as the movement of goods from a point in Canada to another point in Canada through the United States. Goods in-transit are controlled on Form A8B, United States – Canada Transit Manifest.
Sure it might be a pain and Im sure Quebec would offer the same if they did seperate and would not charge for this service as they also need goods from Southern Ontario and the West.
I know its only been a couple of days but still no reply on my questions.
Have the PQ come out with a cost of introducing their own currency, passports and everything else that comes with being your own country?

The answer to your last question is "probably not". The issue is emotional, not sensible.

Institutions such as AC and VIA could not continue to be based in QC.
Corporations based in QC would relocate (it's happened before).
A large chunk of Canada's military is based in QC.
A very large chunk of the Federal government is based in QC (Gatineau) and the Ottawa offices are stuffed with Quebeckers. This city (4th largest in QC) needs Federalism. The region is called "Fortess Western Quebec" by the Liberals and for good reason.

Former Lancastrian Sep 6th 2012 3:17 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 10267248)
The answer to your last question is "probably not". The issue is emotional, not sensible.

Institutions such as AC and VIA could not continue to be based in QC.
Corporations based in QC would relocate (it's happened before).
A large chunk of Canada's military is based in QC.
A very large chunk of the Federal government is based in QC (Gatineau) and the Ottawa offices are stuffed with Quebeckers. This city (4th largest in QC) needs Federalism. The region is called "Fortess Western Quebec" by the Liberals and for good reason.

Thank you for that and probably what a lot of others think as well.
Sort of a bit like the Scots who also speak a different language :lol:

scrubbedexpat133 Sep 6th 2012 3:45 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10267207)
What about trucking? Ever heard of In transit movements which is done everyday
(a) In-transit – The movement of goods from a point in the United States to another point in the United States through Canada, as well as the movement of goods from a point in Canada to another point in Canada through the United States. Goods in-transit are controlled on Form A8B, United States – Canada Transit Manifest.
Sure it might be a pain and Im sure Quebec would offer the same if they did seperate and would not charge for this service as they also need goods from Southern Ontario and the West.
I know its only been a couple of days but still no reply on my questions.
Have the PQ come out with a cost of introducing their own currency, passports and everything else that comes with being your own country?

You are to receive the understatement of the week award for this comment :p

Its more hassle than its worth and US border is bad enough. It would be easier to kick the Quebecers off the south shore. ;)

Former Lancastrian Sep 6th 2012 3:58 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by Alex2201 (Post 10267309)
You are to receive the understatement of the week award for this comment :p

Its more hassle than its worth and US border is bad enough. It would be easier to kick the Quebecers off the south shore. ;)

But that wouldnt be cricket old chap. Lets be sensible and not emotional as Souvy states Im pretty certain that Quebec will NOT seperate but continue to talk about it and further alienate themselves because the rest of us are sick of listening to this crap and really dont give a toss if they do as the sensible ones amongst us know they cannot afford to do it.

scrubbedexpat133 Sep 6th 2012 4:02 am

Re: Quebec election
 
Images of chasing Quebecers off the south shore in whites with bat in hand :rofl:

Agreed though - thats why they voted non twice. Enough people in Qc to realise that it would be economic suicide.

Im of the opinion that if they really wanted it let them have it as long as its not to the detriment of the eastern provinces due to the geography.

jimf Sep 6th 2012 4:51 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 10267215)
Thank you.

CAQ is not separatist or federalist. It is hot on promoting francophonie within the confederation. That is a very important distinction.

An earlier poster made a reference to 8 million francophones being irrelevant (or insignificant). I seem to recall someone else taking a similar view some decades ago...........

Francophone North Americans are not hungry for France. They have nothing in common with the place. They are North Americans that speak French.

I am getting a bit pissed of with this imperialistic/colonial/Daily Mail racism.

Incidentally; last paragraph of your post. Ever heard of Italy?

The 8m or so individuals in Quebec are as relevant as anyone else in NA. No more and no less. They are just as special as anyone else in NA. No more and no less. They are just as entitled to vote for who they want to represent them. No more and no less.

When the government representing those 8m chooses to require that commercial activity within that juristiction is undertaken in a language other than the language commonly used by the remaining 392m then businesses based outside that juristiction will have to make a decision whether it is worthwhile operating in that juristiction. Those within the juristiction imposing language requirements shouldn't be suprised if businesses outside that juristiction decide that operating within that juristiction is not worthwhile. To that extent the juristiction, as a consequence of its own decisions which it is fully entitled to make, becomes less connected to the rest of the same continent.

Alan2005 Sep 6th 2012 4:59 am

Re: Quebec election
 
Legislatively enforced official languages are always crap idea. Let people speak what they want to.

dbd33 Sep 6th 2012 5:06 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 10267434)
When the government representing those 8m chooses to require that commercial activity within that juristiction is undertaken in a language other than the language commonly used by the remaining 392m then businesses based outside that juristiction will have to make a decision whether it is worthwhile operating in that juristiction.

Decided years ago. Even the companies that left after Bill 401 still do business in Quebec.

Souvy Sep 6th 2012 5:11 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 10267434)
The 8m or so individuals in Quebec are as relevant as anyone else in NA. No more and no less. They are just as special as anyone else in NA. No more and no less. They are just as entitled to vote for who they want to represent them. No more and no less.

When the government representing those 8m chooses to require that commercial activity within that juristiction is undertaken in a language other than the language commonly used by the remaining 392m then businesses based outside that juristiction will have to make a decision whether it is worthwhile operating in that juristiction. Those within the juristiction imposing language requirements shouldn't be suprised if businesses outside that juristiction decide that operating within that juristiction is not worthwhile. To that extent the juristiction, as a consequence of its own decisions which it is fully entitled to make, becomes less connected to the rest of the same continent.

Are you suggesting that QC-based businesses only communicate with non-QC clients in French? If you are, you've got things seriously freakin wrong.

dbd33 Sep 6th 2012 5:15 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 10267468)
Are you suggesting that QC-based businesses only communicate with non-QC clients in French? If you are, you've got things seriously freakin wrong.

I think it's the other way around, I think he's saying that businesses outside Quebec won't deal in French. We know that they do, we've only to look at the nearest consumer product to see that, so I think the idea here is to diminish the value of speaking French to people who don't live in Quebec.

Almost Canadian Sep 6th 2012 5:18 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 10267448)
Legislatively enforced official languages are always crap idea. Let people speak what they want to.

Try telling that to the new Premier of Quebec. You could try to tell her something similar in relation to religious symbols too, not that it would get you anywhere:p

I am puzzled by the fact that, it would appear, it is OK to act in a overtly bigoted fashion if you are a politician in Quebec, but political suicide to do so elsewhere in Canada, and not a mention of such made by the "enlightened" posters on this board.

Canuck74 Sep 6th 2012 5:27 am

Re: Quebec election
 
Any business I have worked with in Quebec communicates with non Quebec clients in English not in French. Jimf you have got it wrong.


Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 10267468)
Are you suggesting that QC-based businesses only communicate with non-QC clients in French? If you are, you've got things seriously freakin wrong.


jimf Sep 6th 2012 5:33 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10267463)
Decided years ago. Even the companies that left after Bill 401 still do business in Quebec.

Of course many will still do business of some sort in Quebec. It's just that it likely to be less extensive than it would be if there wasn't a language requirement.

jimf Sep 6th 2012 5:35 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 10267468)
Are you suggesting that QC-based businesses only communicate with non-QC clients in French? If you are, you've got things seriously freakin wrong.

Clearly I'm not suggesting that at all.

jimf Sep 6th 2012 5:59 am

Re: Quebec election
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10267473)
I think it's the other way around, I think he's saying that businesses outside Quebec won't deal in French. We know that they do, we've only to look at the nearest consumer product to see that, so I think the idea here is to diminish the value of speaking French to people who don't live in Quebec.

Putting French and English on consumer products throughout Canada is a different issue. The size of the market and additional cost is obviously a combination that businesses will tolerate. The cost is passed onto the customer anyway.


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