"Moving here for the kids"
#91
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
My son will be going to university this September. We looked at universities in Ontario last November and UK universities a couple of weeks ago. A comparison of the (domestic)costs is covered in the posts above, but the other thing to bear in mind is domestic/international fees and funding support, which may vary depending on your "status".
In Canada (Ontario at least), it seems that if you have a temporary work permit then your son/daughter will pay domestic fees (although they will need to obtain a study permit, $100 I think). I guess the logic is that you're a Canadian taxpayer and so should benefit from subsidised tuition costs. For each UK university, you have to complete a fee assessment questionnaire, which includes questions as to why you're resident in Canada, whether you retain a house in the UK etc. My TWP expires July 2016, so at the moment we have successfully been able to argue that our stay in Canada is temporary and hence obtain domestic fee status. Apart from lower tuition fees, these can be met by a UK loan, reducing the amount of cash you have to find up front.
Assuming, touch wood, we obtain PR status later this year, my son could well be classed as an international student for the second and subsequent years, if he goes to a UK university, meaning much higher tuition fees and no UK funding support.
In Canada (Ontario at least), it seems that if you have a temporary work permit then your son/daughter will pay domestic fees (although they will need to obtain a study permit, $100 I think). I guess the logic is that you're a Canadian taxpayer and so should benefit from subsidised tuition costs. For each UK university, you have to complete a fee assessment questionnaire, which includes questions as to why you're resident in Canada, whether you retain a house in the UK etc. My TWP expires July 2016, so at the moment we have successfully been able to argue that our stay in Canada is temporary and hence obtain domestic fee status. Apart from lower tuition fees, these can be met by a UK loan, reducing the amount of cash you have to find up front.
Assuming, touch wood, we obtain PR status later this year, my son could well be classed as an international student for the second and subsequent years, if he goes to a UK university, meaning much higher tuition fees and no UK funding support.
#92
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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
You don't need HE or Uni to make decent living and great life for yourself.
I dropped out of Uni after a Year and I make more money now than If I stayed at Uni and got job related to my degree.
There is to much emphasis that you must have a degree to do well in life and that just is not the case. If you have plan an idea know what your doing that is so much more important putting all your time and effort into that than wasting money on a degree.
so many degrees are set up as a product to sell and nothing more. I hate that this society believes in that we must have a degree in this world to succeed.
I dropped out of Uni after a Year and I make more money now than If I stayed at Uni and got job related to my degree.
There is to much emphasis that you must have a degree to do well in life and that just is not the case. If you have plan an idea know what your doing that is so much more important putting all your time and effort into that than wasting money on a degree.
so many degrees are set up as a product to sell and nothing more. I hate that this society believes in that we must have a degree in this world to succeed.
#93
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
You don't need HE or Uni to make decent living and great life for yourself.
I dropped out of Uni after a Year and I make more money now than If I stayed at Uni and got job related to my degree.
There is to much emphasis that you must have a degree to do well in life and that just is not the case. If you have plan an idea know what your doing that is so much more important putting all your time and effort into that than wasting money on a degree.
so many degrees are set up as a product to sell and nothing more. I hate that this society believes in that we must have a degree in this world to succeed.
I dropped out of Uni after a Year and I make more money now than If I stayed at Uni and got job related to my degree.
There is to much emphasis that you must have a degree to do well in life and that just is not the case. If you have plan an idea know what your doing that is so much more important putting all your time and effort into that than wasting money on a degree.
so many degrees are set up as a product to sell and nothing more. I hate that this society believes in that we must have a degree in this world to succeed.
#94
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
You don't need HE or Uni to make decent living and great life for yourself.
I dropped out of Uni after a Year and I make more money now than If I stayed at Uni and got job related to my degree.
There is to much emphasis that you must have a degree to do well in life and that just is not the case. If you have plan an idea know what your doing that is so much more important putting all your time and effort into that than wasting money on a degree.
so many degrees are set up as a product to sell and nothing more. I hate that this society believes in that we must have a degree in this world to succeed.
I dropped out of Uni after a Year and I make more money now than If I stayed at Uni and got job related to my degree.
There is to much emphasis that you must have a degree to do well in life and that just is not the case. If you have plan an idea know what your doing that is so much more important putting all your time and effort into that than wasting money on a degree.
so many degrees are set up as a product to sell and nothing more. I hate that this society believes in that we must have a degree in this world to succeed.
Engineering firms have a distinct caste-culture in the office dependant on this, which is something I never witnessed anywhere in Britain.
#95
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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Education is not about financial reward but about the furtherance of mankind's understanding of the world. It may be that an individual is better recompensed for hod carrying than for curing cancer, operating the large hadron collider or mastering Pate de Verre but society is not better for that choice to hod carry. Children should be educated until they can't fit no more knowledge in their heads; make 'em all, at least, literate.
My Educations is all around me, every day I learn so much more than I could ever learn in a Classroom On Degree Course from Traveling to and learning as I go.
Degree is just piece of paper for many to get a job.
You should be able to learn and Educate yourself for most professions (Bar a Few).
If I want to be mechanical engineer. I should be able to learn in my own way.
Provided I am as capable as anyone else in my Field and can demonstrate this
A Uni or College Degree should not be needed.
Yes everyone needs to be educated all time and learn all the time and it should never stop. It does not mean we should to have to spend thousands of Pounds to do that.
or some cases spend it to Just to prove what we already Know.
I do believe the Education system is flawed from Infant school all the way To University.
One thing the Uk does better is having College / Sixth Form at 16.
#96
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Education also means learning how to to spell and use correct grammar.
#97
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Life is Now not in 3 or 4 years time. From speaking to many Students over the years there thought process is I can't wait for my life to begin when I get my degree and First Real Job.
My Educations is all around me, every day I learn so much more than I could ever learn in a Classroom On Degree Course from Traveling to and learning as I go.
Degree is just piece of paper for many to get a job.
You should be able to learn and Educate yourself for most professions (Bar a Few).
If I want to be mechanical engineer. I should be able to learn in my own way.
Provided I am as capable as anyone else in my Field and can demonstrate this
A Uni or College Degree should not be needed.
Yes everyone needs to be educated all time and learn all the time and it should never stop. It does not mean we should to have to spend thousands of Pounds to do that.
or some cases spend it to Just to prove what we already Know.
I do believe the Education system is flawed from Infant school all the way To University.
One thing the Uk does better is having College / Sixth Form at 16.
My Educations is all around me, every day I learn so much more than I could ever learn in a Classroom On Degree Course from Traveling to and learning as I go.
Degree is just piece of paper for many to get a job.
You should be able to learn and Educate yourself for most professions (Bar a Few).
If I want to be mechanical engineer. I should be able to learn in my own way.
Provided I am as capable as anyone else in my Field and can demonstrate this
A Uni or College Degree should not be needed.
Yes everyone needs to be educated all time and learn all the time and it should never stop. It does not mean we should to have to spend thousands of Pounds to do that.
or some cases spend it to Just to prove what we already Know.
I do believe the Education system is flawed from Infant school all the way To University.
One thing the Uk does better is having College / Sixth Form at 16.
#98
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That's true but strikes me as a very anglo-sentiment. To be a member of a profession in north America you do need that degree to get your license. In Britain you don't (although it certainly makes things easier).
Engineering firms have a distinct caste-culture in the office dependant on this, which is something I never witnessed anywhere in Britain.
Engineering firms have a distinct caste-culture in the office dependant on this, which is something I never witnessed anywhere in Britain.
#99
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My job in the UK had an undergrad as a minimum requirement. Another team had a master's as a minimum.
Husbands's job in the UK was the same.
Husbands's job in the UK was the same.
#100
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It's good that we can always rely on Colchar's parochial view of life in his contributions to threads on higher education. Once again, he strikes with his sweepingly inaccurate statements. I love the fact that everything he posts is almost immediately contradicted by everyone else on the board. It's like one of those little clockwork toys...
Good is not the same as big. I can't answer for how extensive Laurier's co-op programs are, but I have employed Laurier undergrad co-op students on two occasions. Both were quite superb and have since gone on to launch successful careers. Waterloo may operate the largest co-op program "of its type" in the world, but there are many other types of cooperation between academia and industry. Consider for a moment that Waterloo has 18,000-odd students on co-ops, whereas roughly ten times that number in six universities (Loughborough, Brunel, Surrey, Bath, Aston, Bournemouth) are on various "sandwich" courses in the UK in addition to all the less formal internships out there in the wide world. For sure, Waterloo's undergrad programs in applied sciences and engineering are genuinely world-class, but outside of that narrow scope it's still a backwoods kind of a place, innit? Nobody would choose to go there for the best possible undergrad experience on a BA course in, say, history, would they?
Last edited by Oakvillian; Mar 27th 2015 at 2:40 pm.
#101
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Life is Now not in 3 or 4 years time. From speaking to many Students over the years there thought process is I can't wait for my life to begin when I get my degree and First Real Job.
My Educations is all around me, every day I learn so much more than I could ever learn in a Classroom On Degree Course from Traveling to and learning as I go.
Degree is just piece of paper for many to get a job.
You should be able to learn and Educate yourself for most professions (Bar a Few).
If I want to be mechanical engineer. I should be able to learn in my own way.
Provided I am as capable as anyone else in my Field and can demonstrate this
A Uni or College Degree should not be needed.
Yes everyone needs to be educated all time and learn all the time and it should never stop. It does not mean we should to have to spend thousands of Pounds to do that.
or some cases spend it to Just to prove what we already Know.
I do believe the Education system is flawed from Infant school all the way To University.
One thing the Uk does better is having College / Sixth Form at 16.
My Educations is all around me, every day I learn so much more than I could ever learn in a Classroom On Degree Course from Traveling to and learning as I go.
Degree is just piece of paper for many to get a job.
You should be able to learn and Educate yourself for most professions (Bar a Few).
If I want to be mechanical engineer. I should be able to learn in my own way.
Provided I am as capable as anyone else in my Field and can demonstrate this
A Uni or College Degree should not be needed.
Yes everyone needs to be educated all time and learn all the time and it should never stop. It does not mean we should to have to spend thousands of Pounds to do that.
or some cases spend it to Just to prove what we already Know.
I do believe the Education system is flawed from Infant school all the way To University.
One thing the Uk does better is having College / Sixth Form at 16.
Your post brilliantly disproves your points.
#102
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Of course it's possible for someone to educate themselves through reading, especially these days. However, most won't, and that really is the point. A stint at university or college often provides individuals with the tools for furthering understanding, develops reasoning ability, and a love of learning. As a Western adulthood now seems to stretch to 60+ years, spending an extra few years in education at the youthful end does not seem an onerous proposition.
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Canada is pretty much the same for day to day living as the US in my view from living in both countries.
Both if you don't have a degree or at the very least a diploma in some sort of college subject, your pretty much relegated to low income work with not much chance of moving up.
Companies in both countries value a degree over significant experience but no degree. Have seen companies many times look past a current employee with more experience for the job and hire a 23 year old fresh from college with no work experience at all just because they have a degree.
There are exceptions of course, but those are just that exceptions.
As for paying for college, students can't work too much or the government just gives them less financial aid, and the financial aid that is given isn't always sufficient, and family is expected to help out if the student is under a certain age, meets certain criteria etc, but the financial aid program isn't ideal in Canada and burdens you with a lot of debt on graduation and if you don't get a good job quick enough to pay that debt, you can destroy your credit before even have a chance to build credit.
Both if you don't have a degree or at the very least a diploma in some sort of college subject, your pretty much relegated to low income work with not much chance of moving up.
Companies in both countries value a degree over significant experience but no degree. Have seen companies many times look past a current employee with more experience for the job and hire a 23 year old fresh from college with no work experience at all just because they have a degree.
There are exceptions of course, but those are just that exceptions.
As for paying for college, students can't work too much or the government just gives them less financial aid, and the financial aid that is given isn't always sufficient, and family is expected to help out if the student is under a certain age, meets certain criteria etc, but the financial aid program isn't ideal in Canada and burdens you with a lot of debt on graduation and if you don't get a good job quick enough to pay that debt, you can destroy your credit before even have a chance to build credit.
#104
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How will things be paid for if we keep eliminating jobs with technology? I still don't fully understand that part. If people have no jobs to make money, they can't buy the things the printers and robots can produce. Maybe the goal is to replace humans with robots?
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So, do you prefer it that those that choose work (plumbers, electricians, etc.) over obtaining a degree pay for others to obtain a degree so that they can go on to earn far more? How many degrees should be free? The first one, the second one, etc?
A lawyer I used to work with has written this on her profile: [She has a] Master of Arts in English Literature. The focus of her Master's thesis was gender constructions and subjectivity in sonnet sequences written during the Renaissance period.
Should taxpayers have paid the tuition for such a course?
A lawyer I used to work with has written this on her profile: [She has a] Master of Arts in English Literature. The focus of her Master's thesis was gender constructions and subjectivity in sonnet sequences written during the Renaissance period.
Should taxpayers have paid the tuition for such a course?
Plumbers and electricians also likely end up making more then a lot of people with degrees do these days.
More to free education at the college and university level then just obtaining a degree.