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We are seriously considering emigrating, for the 'better life', we are not after perfect weather etc, but an actual better run country, with less crime and better opportunities for our family, we have been researching on the internet, but all you get is statistics, and statistics dont really tell us what we need to know, I would like the real truth, of the country, we currently live in a small rural village on the outskirts of a nice town, however everything seems to be getting 'taken over' and no where really feels safe anymore, is it just me or are there any 'safe' places left in the world. I have looked at Canada and most things say this is the place, but i really need to know!!! Can anyone help me?

xxx

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I wouldn't move to Canada, its full of immigrants taking over.

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I hate to say this but best to ask on another website as 50% on this site wont give you a good answer or at best a silly one. I do hope though that one of the nice people on here give you the answer you are looking for like Ann M

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Oy oink......

Find me someone in this world who isn't an immigrant!

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Ho Ho Ho.

Seriously: Canada is a great country if

1) you have no social conscience

2) you have financial capital to palliate Canadian thuggery

or

3) you are penniless and unscrupulous

4) if you have children, you are prepared to let go of all your familial, communal, and spiritual guidelines

5) your main focus is material improvement.

6) you loathe musical talent.

7) you have no understanding of English grammar.

8) you are willing to compromise for a higher standard of living with every single fibre of nobler Brit nature. Even chavs have a better compass.

Honest truth

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Its a bit daft wanting to leave a perfectly decent western democratic society for another one just because of media-driven baseless notions of pubic disorder and bad governance.

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Canada has cold depressing very long winters and if you dont think it will be a problem then you might want to give it a go.
Crime can be bad in some cities like anywhere , lots of good lots of bad it all depends on what you want.

I kid you not about the weather. It is nasty and if you are into the outdoors i hope you like winter sports for over half the year .


lots of great things here but dont expect it to be like the UK in the way of social life and ideology.

PS: we are leaving for greener and warmer pastures :thumbup:

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Rich coming onto a site to post with which you seem to have such little regard for, don'tcha think ?

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I'm not;)

To the OP. It is virtually impossible to answer your question because everything is subjective and we are all individuals. Someone could say that they love it and someone else that they hate it. Who is right? Who is able to guess what you would like? What is most important to you? Canada is very big and is very different both from the UK and also within itself. The Prairies are different from the Pacific coast which is different from the Maritimes which is different from the Arctic which is different from Ontario which is different from the Mountains which is different from Quebec which is different from Newfoundland. When you ask for the truth, I'm afraid that the truth is yours to discover. Good luck.

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This whole thing about 'taking over'...................

I lived in perth last year, and over there i was a pom.

Some aussie people said to me (immigration) 'That's gonna f__k this country up!.... full o poms here, why move here?'

Not exactly the welcome party i expected on my first day at work!

I think where ever you go in the world, you're going to get some of these opinions. But that is unfortunately all part of the fun! Don't be detered,live the dream because when you mix and get to know each other...It can work!

So why go any where!?! Mix with immigrants here? why not??

We're all human, Just better scenery abroad! people are the same where ever you go.

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You're not what?

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Got to agree with this. Certainly for us, where we live now in Alberta is somewhere that we perceive to be rather safer than the south east of the UK that we emigrated from, but our UK context sounds rather different to the OP's...so who is to say the OP would perceive the same benefit?

Best wishes to the OP in finding their own answer. :)

Eamonn & Janet.

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Did the Gastroentologist find your head yet?

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I live in one of the Cities that is frequently "The Crime Capital of Canada", as a Realtor I am in and out of some of the worst areas of the City.

I feel safer and less threatened here than rural Cambridgeshire where we came from in 1998. Every time I return to the UK its just got worse than the time before.

Life for my family is calmer and less stressful here than it would have been in the UK. :thumbsup:

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You should definitely come to Canada. The place is governed fantastically and there aren't any chav's. Everyone here is living the dream whilst being fully integrated into whichever local community they are in. You only live once, and life is what you make it after all.

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we came to Canada from NW England in 2005, for the "lifestyle" and have been extremely disappointed.
While Canadians are polite with excuse mes and pleases and thank yous they are not too friendly.
neighbours aren't neighbourly or sociable.
Canadians seem to want you when it's at their conbenience they have no regard for your emotions and being out on a limb without you familiar friends and family. As long as they're ok that's all that matters.
The Canadian kids make plans with my 2 teenagers and constantly let them down with no excuses.
Their dress is generally scruffier especially in rural areas.
Poor live next door to rich and average so there's a mish mash of values and states of houses and gardens.
You have to drive drive drive eberywhere, there's no quaint little strools down by village full of thatched cottages or slate houses or castles.
You can drive for days and the scenery is still the same- it has got so boring that we're returning to Britain this summer.
The winters are 5 months long and most Canadians can't stand them and the ones that can afford to go to warmer climes leave in Nov until April.
The summers are lovely sometimes too hot and you get troubled with mosquitoes and black fly.
We get bears, deer, porcupine, raccoons, hummingbirds in our field which is fantastic.
Fuel prices are equivalent to 50pence/litre in Ontario but our family of 2 drivers pay an average of £70/week travelling quite local.
Insurance is higher because not as many people are putting into the pot.
Food and clothing stores aren't as well equipped. You can't get the British luxuries unless you go to Euro stores and pay through the nose for jaffa cakes or English mustard.
Education is lacking and teachers don't correct the basic grammar or spelling mistakes.
The grass is definitely not greener. Please think seriously about spliiting your family up and taking grandchildren away from their grandparents. While on the surface, our childrens grandparents wanted us to have a "better" life it has taken its toll on their health and they have raoidly gone down hill since we left, so we cannot sponsor them here and we are returning to be with them. When I told my mother recently that we're returning she was over the moon and admitted it was like a bereavement when we left, but the dear never wanted to stand in our way. That's TRUE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. No wonder I'm homesick

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Looks like a load of tosh to me, what ya been smoking?


To the OP, this is nothing like my experience of Canada. Been here 15 years and quite satisfied. I would say for us the lifestyle suits us, our standard of living is comfortable and I cannot foresee anything that would get us to move away from here. We immigrated just to try something different. If you are motivated to immigrate to Canada from the UK for anything else than change for the sake of change, you may be disappointed.

Immigration is a long hard process, getting the permits, moving and then several years of settling in, with ups and downs along the way. For it to have a chance of success you have to be committed (and along the way feel you may be).

The legal system is as dysfunctional as anywhere else, there is crime and inadequate punishment, job security is questionable, not enough vacation for some and remuneration is extremely varied, government cutback as in many other countries.

Financially, especially with the current exchange I doubt a new immigrant would see a gain.

What we like:
The diverse scenery, mountains, grasslands, desert, lakes, rivers, oceans, snow on the mountains (where it belongs). Having flown and driven the western provinces I never tire of the constantly changing vistas. We made an effort to get involved from the beginning, especially with volunteer work and have some great friends. We have found little pretense (other than from some Brit immigrants), it matter not how new your car is, how fancy your house is or if you dress casually (which we do on the west coast). The education system is fine, kids graduated with honours and seem as balanced as teenagers can be.

The flight from the UK is only 9 hours and we see more of relatives than when we were in the UK. Which I am not always sure is a good thing. Used to bring my mother over once a month at one point (until I think she saw too much of me). She says she saw and heard more from me than my brother who lived 20 minutes away, so did the MIL as well.

I don't give a stuff about Jaffa Cakes, Marmite, mustard or any other groceries we used to buy in the UK. We have what we have and judging by my waistline seems like we must be doing OK.

Immigration is what you make of it and depends on your expectations . If you want the same as you had in the UK, but an ocean away, ain't gonna happen.

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I don't know where you lived in the UK but it has the quaintest scenery especially the Lake District where I'm from.
Also, people are definitely definitely definitely NOT the same the world over- how stupid of you to say such a remark

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I'm convinced, and may I add, that you should reach for the stars. Catch the dream before it fades. Be all you can be and little bit more. Don't let sleeping dogs lie and hatch your chickens before they crack, and the sooner you get out of that chav-infested crime ridden drunken morally bankrupt cesspool the better off you'll be to find the better life we all deserve.

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I'm with Alan2005 on this one, but I'd just like to add that there is no crime what-so-ever in Canada since they introduced strict laws making it illegal.

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:thumbdown:

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• Better weather - depends where in canada
• Better run country - no, plus as an immigrant you have no vote until you get citizenship
• Less crime - depends where you live, but no real different to the uk
• More opportunities - depends what you do for a living. For your kids, who knows what the Canadian / UK economies will be doing in years to come
• Living in a rural village near nice town - rural takes on a whole new meaning here, equivalent of where you live now doesn't really exist here.
• Cost of living - depend where in canada, but on the whole it's pretty like for like

Immigrating to Canada to "escape" the UK is pretty pointless unless there's a draw to Canada for some reason.

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Well Rochdale,Lancs is not the lakes! Parden me all over the place! i love the lakes!

As cofusius said,( he was a genious by the way,if i spelt his name right?)

"Under the sky, under the heavens there is but one family" HUMAN BEINGS!
Look different but are the same human beings!

Are we not all human beings? are you better than others because you're from the lakes? Hitler lives!

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the usual suspects are having a go I see. :thumbdown:

Canada, like most other places in the world may or may not offer you a better life. Its really too subjective. Leaving for a perceived belief that crime does not exisit or its better run etc, will leave you disappointed. Better opportunities? Again subjective. Depends what you do, where you are in your career etc. Outside of cheaper houses in some areas, other costs are much the same.

et sounds like you live in a nicer area of the UK, you use the word nice so I suspect its not all bad in your corner of the world. Don't put too much stock in what others say - trust your own perceptions of the place.

Those that are 'pushed' from teh UK tend to fair worse than those who are pulled due to a liking of the place, career opportunties etc.

Canada can be better but it can also be worse. Moreover, rural living here is very different than the UK.

Look before you leap- good luck

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They are not the same the town over, let alone the world over in many ways. Cultures may vary, but human characteristics remain a constant.

Why would you say someone is stupid if they say something you disagree with. I would say typing the same word three times over is pretty futile and it should be 'make a remark' not 'say a remark'.

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Very well put - I agree.

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Some very wise sentiments. You would do well to heed them.

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Based on what you're saying, I wouldn't waste your time. It sounds like you're trying to find a utopic Britain in Canada, and it doesn't exist. Canada is a nation of immigrants from all cultures.

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<<snip>>
humans are not the same the world over - why don't you live amongst the Afghanistans and find out?
As for your spelling - it needs a lot of work.

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Totally agree.
please think very carefully and on that tick list of pros and cons put grandparents and friends at the top of the list - something money can't buy.

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I've been here 17 years and feel the much the same as you do. Actually until i started coming on here, I never really gave much thought to the UK. Happen when you've been here an extended period, you replace things with others and no longer pine for them.

My mother pointed out that she too speaks more to me than my brother who lives about 20 mins away.

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I think you will find that it is Afghanis - ;)

There really is no reason to be rude. I thought better of those from the Lakes, tusk, tusk.

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weather wise most of canada is not good and even the lower moanland (vancouver area) is pretty dark and dreary for the winter . if you like rain go to the westcoast if you like cold go north or east.

I have lived across canada but not in the maritimes which i understand is very nice . each place has the + & - to go with them and if you are the right fit you will be happy. If you are not then you will suffer.
did i mention the weather sucked:rofl:

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3 housepoints and Gold Star :p :thumbup:

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I must be slipping :lol: :sneaky: but thanks for the vote of confidence anyway.

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What's that, distance?

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i thought he was your dad.

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I would stay in the UK and buy a burglar alarm. That should keep the villains out of your house, as well as the spacemen who I presume may be the ones doing the taking over.

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That's hardly fair, and while it could have been tackled with more sensitivity, the OP has trotted out the same old rhetoric of a failed Britain, a perception fed by the Daily Mail's diet of vapid celebrity worship and doom and gloom social commentary. If you want a "better life" the most obvious solution is to examine your personal situation. Retrain or enroll in further education, do more physical excise and eat better etc. rather than the easy option of blaming society for your desperation. And then to dismiss social statistics because they don't conflate with your perception is a bit much. I think this touches a nerve because it’s the same wooly logic I have to deal with at work.

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Thats easy to say when you don't have to deal with 'them' taking over.

We know the crime statistics aren't that different, but that's just facts and figures. On the streets we know that there is really 10 times as much crime in the UK when compared to here. You should be more understanding of the OP's situation.