Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Sep 18th 2010, 1:21 am
#16
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Jing, you'd have an argument if she'd posted a link to the rape photos (blech).
I think this event brings up some bigger issues. Like, how to deal with the 'net when any twat can post photos and share them with a million of his/her twat friends thereby multiplying the first crime into infinity.
I think this event brings up some bigger issues. Like, how to deal with the 'net when any twat can post photos and share them with a million of his/her twat friends thereby multiplying the first crime into infinity.
the irony, is without the pictures, the offence many never have become known.
Sep 18th 2010, 1:25 am
#17
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
aw come one. keep things in perspective. This type of things happens and i can tell you, having investigated them before, that it's nothing new. What is unique is the social media aspect of what happended, otherwise it would not have gotten the media coverage it had.
Reality check people.....bad stuff happens, happens everywhere.
Reality check people.....bad stuff happens, happens everywhere.
Just because some people are utter shits, does not mean that others cannot be revolted by them. That is not "perspective" that is just decency.
Please explain to me how, by being disgusted, I am not looking at this with perspective?
Sep 18th 2010, 1:30 am
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Thank you Kiwilass. If Jings had actually read what I originally posted, he'd have noticed the line, 'Lots of misinformation and kids attacking each other on FB', which is exactly the point. I raised this to point out how the kids are reacting to it ON FB and forming camps siding with and against the poor lass. It has gone viral (on the kids' FBs) and the police are dealing with it as best they can, I suspect, given the horrific nature of the incident. The link was an example (just one among many) of the type and style of reporting. I didn't comment on it, I didn't post any pics (as you mentioned, don't want to see them, either), I didn't provide any further links. What I did do was to raise awareness about how the kids are dealing with this issue. I've been involved with student discussions on the matter, some of which became quite heated. Media are camped outside two high schools in MR waiting to pounce as they glean, share, inform and misinform the public. Other than make the original statement, I doubt I've done anything more to get kids racing frantically to and fro in their search for more. That job's being done as we speak on FB.
Jings, I take back what I said about you. I'm sorry. Forgive me. You're clearly not a pillock; just an arse.
Cheers
Jings, I take back what I said about you. I'm sorry. Forgive me. You're clearly not a pillock; just an arse.
Cheers
It's a different age and communication is too easy. Parents and teachers need to take the time to teach kids how to use such meida in a mature manner. Alas, kids will be kids with little appreciation of what their words may do. Cyber bullying has changed the nature of bullying to include not only the playground, but also the child's home.
In our time, it was some nasty comments such as "Mandy is a bitch" scrawled in lipstick on the bathroom door, now..........................
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Sep 18th 2010, 1:35 am
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Of course bad stuff happens everywhere, I'm not aware that anyone has said that it doesn't. Of course this is nothing new, I am aware of that and never stated otherwise. I am in no need of a reality check.
Just because some people are utter shits, does not mean that others cannot be revolted by them. That is not "perspective" that is just decency.
Please explain to me how, by being disgusted, I am not looking at this with perspective?
Just because some people are utter shits, does not mean that others cannot be revolted by them. That is not "perspective" that is just decency.
Please explain to me how, by being disgusted, I am not looking at this with perspective?
I agree with what you say as to the nature of teh offence and the impact it has on tke kids, community etc.
Given that this is a site perused by those choosing to move here, the comment above hints of fear mongering.
Anyway, i don't want to take away from what it is a very relevant and important issue that can and should generate discussion
thanks - certainly didn't mean to offend. At least I wasn't tagged as a pillock
edit: in retrospect, i realize that you are reacting to what has happened and you well within your rights to do so.
Last edited by dboy; Sep 18th 2010 at 1:40 am. Reason: clarrity
Sep 18th 2010, 1:42 am
#20
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
So much for this whole notion of moving for a better life for "the kids".
I agree with what you say as to the nature of teh offence and the impact it has on tke kids, community etc.
Given that this is a site perused by those choosing to move here, the comment above hints of fear mongering.
Anyway, i don't want to take away from what it is a very relevant and important issue that can and should generate discussion
thanks - certainly didn't mean to offend. At least I wasn't tagged as a pillock
I agree with what you say as to the nature of teh offence and the impact it has on tke kids, community etc.
Given that this is a site perused by those choosing to move here, the comment above hints of fear mongering.
Anyway, i don't want to take away from what it is a very relevant and important issue that can and should generate discussion
thanks - certainly didn't mean to offend. At least I wasn't tagged as a pillock
Sep 18th 2010, 2:01 am
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
The notion of moving to Canada "for the kids" is widely rolled out on this board as one of the foremost reasons for moving. Some people, and I mean some, seem to want to believe that their kids will be different in Canada. They will be innocent for longer, have more freedom, that sort of thing. Like living in the 50s or something. This of course, is not true. People like to look down on "chavs". Suddenly, vomiting on your doorstep and keying someone's car doesn't seem so awful when you realise that Canada is not exempt from crime, such as the one in discussion. Which is why I threw in the line about "moving for the kids". The fact is that kids have the capacity to be feckless animals in any country, as this story shows.
I will say this though. I've experienced way less issues here with kids than i ever did in the UK and I speaking as a copper. Of course it depends where you are coming from and where you are going to.
Sep 18th 2010, 2:27 am
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
"Pillock" and "arse". Well, I hope you're not an English teacher if that's as eloquent as you can be.
Look again at the title of your thread... I see your primary concern isn't for the poor victim, who, IMNSVHO, who would best served by responsible adults not continuing to disseminate awareness of this dreadful attack as widely as possible.
Note again that I haven't once resorted to calling you juvenile names.
Look again at the title of your thread... I see your primary concern isn't for the poor victim, who, IMNSVHO, who would best served by responsible adults not continuing to disseminate awareness of this dreadful attack as widely as possible.
Note again that I haven't once resorted to calling you juvenile names.
Sep 18th 2010, 2:35 am
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
What I don't get, is that these pictures were posted by people on facebook, yet barely any arrests have been made. Your facebook profile contains your name, your company/school etc. which should be enough for the police to come knocking. Seems all very soft touch, anyone uploading these pictures needs to be severely punished.
Sep 18th 2010, 5:26 am
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
"Pillock" and "arse". Well, I hope you're not an English teacher if that's as eloquent as you can be.
Look again at the title of your thread... I see your primary concern isn't for the poor victim, who, IMNSVHO, who would best served by responsible adults not continuing to disseminate awareness of this dreadful attack as widely as possible.
Note again that I haven't once resorted to calling you juvenile names.
Look again at the title of your thread... I see your primary concern isn't for the poor victim, who, IMNSVHO, who would best served by responsible adults not continuing to disseminate awareness of this dreadful attack as widely as possible.
Note again that I haven't once resorted to calling you juvenile names.
Now stop baiting me and get on with discussing the real issues presented here: kids, FB, social networking juggernauts etc. I'm done here.
Sep 18th 2010, 12:19 pm
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
I don't think i'd be happy about working in, and/or having children and living in, an area where there are enough children condoning gang rape to form a "camp" to rival those who don't.
Is this thread exposing the reality of children in Canada?
Is this thread exposing the reality of children in Canada?
Sep 18th 2010, 1:51 pm
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
They are all arguments of small minded people who can't see the difference between intercourse and rape.
Edit: I am appalled that the kids are in camps, everyone should be supporting her. If someone was beaten and tortured for 20 minutes then would there be any 'camps', any possible reason to condone the assault? Heck no of course not, add in sex and then the woman's morals are questioned and used to condone the attack. Bloody mediaeval.
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Sep 18th 2010, 2:45 pm
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
The notion of moving to Canada "for the kids" is widely rolled out on this board as one of the foremost reasons for moving. Some people, and I mean some, seem to want to believe that their kids will be different in Canada. They will be innocent for longer, have more freedom, that sort of thing. Like living in the 50s or something. This of course, is not true. People like to look down on "chavs". Suddenly, vomiting on your doorstep and keying someone's car doesn't seem so awful when you realise that Canada is not exempt from crime, such as the one in discussion. Which is why I threw in the line about "moving for the kids". The fact is that kids have the capacity to be feckless animals in any country, as this story shows.
Sep 18th 2010, 2:58 pm
#29
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
Oh there is. There may not be in law but there are the "she deserved it" groups, the " she's a slapper anyway so what does it matter" set, "she's already had sex with him so she won't mind" thinkers and not forgetting that oldie but goldie "she was asking for it"
They are all arguments of small minded people who can't see the difference between intercourse and rape.
Edit: I am appalled that the kids are in camps, everyone should be supporting her. If someone was beaten and tortured for 20 minutes then would there be any 'camps', any possible reason to condone the assault? Heck no of course not, add in sex and then the woman's morals are questioned and used to condone the attack. Bloody mediaeval.
They are all arguments of small minded people who can't see the difference between intercourse and rape.
Edit: I am appalled that the kids are in camps, everyone should be supporting her. If someone was beaten and tortured for 20 minutes then would there be any 'camps', any possible reason to condone the assault? Heck no of course not, add in sex and then the woman's morals are questioned and used to condone the attack. Bloody mediaeval.
It certainly is true that kids in the west these days are exposed to more sex and violence than we ever did, what with the internet, etc. but i doubt what the kids have done and the polarizing nature of their views is hardly unique.
What is unique now is that kids all have cell phones with cameras and access to computers etc, that certainly would not have been the case even 10 years ago. This has certianly changed the nature of offending and is of benefit to the police as there are more avenues of investigation and more opportunites for the kids actions to be revealed.
We should also not forget, it was kids that brought what had happened to the police and their parent's attention.
Sep 18th 2010, 3:08 pm
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Re: Horrific incident affecting our local kids
One i thing i do know about children or teens, which is probably more accurate, is that they often have a messed up moral compass and often employ thinking and decision making that is contrary to those of adults. We tend to think of kids as mini adults - this is simply wrong. Also when individuals act in groups, their rationalizations and justifications are often ****ed up. Bystander effect or diffusion of responsibility, group think, what ever you will call it is well researched in social psychology fields. I'd go as far to further suggest that in teens roles of leaders and followers and group influence is even more profound. I've seen this in action first hand when investigating various offences, it's amazing how many witnesses chose to not get involved and somehow believe that is someone else's responsibility and not their's.
I find it odd that this offence is somehow being transposed on to the unique actions of Canadians - simply not true, not by a long shot
Last edited by dboy; Sep 18th 2010 at 3:53 pm.