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Howefamily Dec 31st 2010 3:49 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9069317)
Yes it is. If one examines the reasons for moving disillusionment might become enlightenment.

Good point. I thought you were just being negative.

MarylandNed Dec 31st 2010 3:51 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9068189)
I understand disillusionment is not a nice condition but I couldn’t see anywhere in this tread explaining why you want to come and live in Canada in the first place.


Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 9068764)
I dont think thats relevant in this thread

I disagree - I think it's very relevant. If someone is disllusioned with the waiting time and can't remember why they want to move to another country, it makes sense to revisit the pros and cons of moving and make sure that the move still makes sense. With a long wait, circumstances can change and it's smart to periodically evaluate the situation. Refocusing on the reasons for moving can help someone get through the waiting period.

Howefamily Dec 31st 2010 3:59 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by MarylandNed (Post 9069346)
I disagree - I think it's very relevant. If someone is disllusioned with the waiting time and can't remember why they want to move to another country, it makes sense to revisit the pros and cons of moving and make sure that the move still makes sense. With a long wait, circumstances can change and it's smart to periodically evaluate the situation. Refocusing on the reasons for moving can help someone get through the waiting period.

see above. I meant that its not relevant for Rubie to retype all her reasons that she wanted to move in the first place. I am sure shes done all that already.
However I agree with Oink that it may be beneficial to revisit these, doesnt mean she has to list them for all of us to read - unless she wants to of course

MarylandNed Dec 31st 2010 5:29 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by dboy (Post 9069227)
I really admire people who are more established moving away. Kids, jobs, aging parents, houses to sell etc. All i had to do was sell my motorbike quit a crap job ..... I was only 21 or so at the time.

Yes, it's definitely more difficult as you get older, have kids (or have kids who are no longer toddlers at least), have more established careers, own a home, have family and friends nearby, etc. I think kids may be the biggest single issue. Once they reach a certain age, get established in high school, make friends (especially a boyfriend or girlfriend) it becomes almost cruel to move them against their wishes. I think at that age they have to be part of the consulation process and they have to be convinced that it's the right move - simply because it's potentially much more difficult for kids to adjust when they get beyond a certain age. Of course, it's tough to drag them away from grandparents regardless of how old the kids are.

MarylandNed Dec 31st 2010 5:31 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by Howefamily (Post 9069358)
see above. I meant that its not relevant for Rubie to retype all her reasons that she wanted to move in the first place. I am sure shes done all that already.
However I agree with Oink that it may be beneficial to revisit these, doesnt mean she has to list them for all of us to read - unless she wants to of course

Right - that's what I meant. Revisit the reasons for moving. She originally suggested that she couldn't remember why she wanted to move. That's not a good situation to be in.

vettemaster Dec 31st 2010 6:12 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by MarylandNed (Post 9069531)
Yes, it's definitely more difficult as you get older.

I am I too old then being 39?!:unsure: lol

dboy Dec 31st 2010 6:16 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by MarylandNed (Post 9069531)
Yes, it's definitely more difficult as you get older, have kids (or have kids who are no longer toddlers at least), have more established careers, own a home, have family and friends nearby, etc. I think kids may be the biggest single issue. Once they reach a certain age, get established in high school, make friends (especially a boyfriend or girlfriend) it becomes almost cruel to move them against their wishes. I think at that age they have to be part of the consulation process and they have to be convinced that it's the right move - simply because it's potentially much more difficult for kids to adjust when they get beyond a certain age. Of course, it's tough to drag them away from grandparents regardless of how old the kids are.

Yes I agree. And I don't really get why one would uproot their lives if they are reasonably settled and not doing too badly. If I had to do a move at my stage in life i'd be shitting bricks!

Very different than nipping abroad for an extended stay when you are young with no real ties - then not going back, which is what happened to me!

happy new year!

dboy Dec 31st 2010 6:20 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by vettemaster (Post 9069581)
I am I too old then being 39?!:unsure: lol

You are never too old, within reason, but with a longer life comes more baggage and decisions have greater implications, especially as maryandned notes, if one has kids to uproot, away from grandparents and friends etc.

I left the UK in 1989 at 21.... there was really no pros and cons to weigh, now i'd put myself in an early grave wondering what to do.

Not saying it's not the right thing to do, but there's more to lose and a lot more soul searching to do....everyone's situation is unique of course.....

vettemaster Dec 31st 2010 6:30 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by dboy (Post 9069589)
You are never too old, within reason, but with a longer life comes more baggage and decisions have greater implications, especially as maryandned notes, if one has kids to uproot, away from grandparents and friends etc.

I left the UK in 1989 at 21.... there was really no pros and cons to weigh, now i'd put myself in an early grave wondering what to do.

Not saying it's not the right thing to do, but there's more to lose and a lot more soul searching to do....everyone's situation is unique of course.....

Well when I was 21 in 1992 I had never been abroad and in fact didnt start going abroad untill I was 33. It had never even crossed my mind emmigrating somewhere else as I had always thought life was the same everywhere. I just moved all around the UK.
Now I have just turned 39 and my OH is 32 and we have no children and no ties other than our house and jobs etc. So maybe we will be ok? I do envy you giving a go so young! :)

Dunstable Diva Dec 31st 2010 6:33 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by vettemaster (Post 9069595)
Well when I was 21 in 1992 I had never been abroad and in fact didnt start going abroad untill I was 33. It had never even crossed my mind emmigrating somewhere else as I had always thought life was the same everywhere. I just moved all around the UK.
Now I have just turned 39 and my OH is 32 and we have no children and no ties other than our house and jobs etc. So maybe we will be ok? I do envy you giving a go so young! :)

I think with your ages and no children Vancouver would be a good choice for you. I wish I had moved there not Kelowna. And you may think of Van as a big city but it really isnt once your there. Good luck:fingerscrossed:

dboy Dec 31st 2010 6:38 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by Dunstable Diva (Post 9069605)
I think with your ages and no children Vancouver would be a good choice for you. I wish I had moved there not Kelowna. And you may think of Van as a big city but it really isnt once your there. Good luck:fingerscrossed:

Depends what you are comparing Vancouver to, its bigger than most UK cities (city proper is 630,000 and metro area 2.3 million). Certianly not London big, but not many places are.

dboy Dec 31st 2010 6:42 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by vettemaster (Post 9069595)
Well when I was 21 in 1992 I had never been abroad and in fact didnt start going abroad untill I was 33. It had never even crossed my mind emmigrating somewhere else as I had always thought life was the same everywhere. I just moved all around the UK.
Now I have just turned 39 and my OH is 32 and we have no children and no ties other than our house and jobs etc. So maybe we will be ok? I do envy you giving a go so young! :)

Certianly makes you a lot more flexible having no kids. All depends how much you value your home and jobs, not to mention ties with family and friends, which should not be overlooked. If there is one reason i\d go back to the UK, it's family. I can retire in 9 years with a police pension, so it is frequently on my mind these days.

Canada is just another place at the end of the day...lots of pros and cons...I like it and things 'clicked' here for me, others have not been so lucky, which is life at the end of the day.

Dunstable Diva Dec 31st 2010 6:57 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by dboy (Post 9069623)
Certianly makes you a lot more flexible having no kids. All depends how much you value your home and jobs, not to mention ties with family and friends, which should not be overlooked. If there is one reason i\d go back to the UK, it's family. I can retire in 9 years with a police pension, so it is frequently on my mind these days.

Canada is just another place at the end of the day...lots of pros and cons...I like it and things 'clicked' here for me, others have not been so lucky, which is life at the end of the day.

Totally agree. If you are close to your family and friends it is heartbreaking to be away from them. But I have Brit friends here who have no connection with there family, they dont get on with their mum or brothers and sisters and they have settled here fine. I personally cant wait to one day move back to Uk so I can enjoy my family who I love more than any lifestyle but thats just me. Go for it .Keep some options open. With no kids you are in a priviliged position.:fingerscrossed:

vettemaster Dec 31st 2010 7:04 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by Dunstable Diva (Post 9069637)
Totally agree. If you are close to your family and friends it is heartbreaking to be away from them. But I have Brit friends here who have no connection with there family, they dont get on with their mum or brothers and sisters and they have settled here fine. I personally cant wait to one day move back to Uk so I can enjoy my family who I love more than any lifestyle but thats just me. Go for it .Keep some options open. With no kids you are in a priviliged position.:fingerscrossed:

We get on with our families although we are not close on both sides. My OH's brother has been living in New Zealand for 6 years and we are over 100 miles from our families. Not much contact with friends either. Most have moved on with there lives and started families/lifes and lost contact etc.
We probably see our families twice a year.

dboy Dec 31st 2010 7:05 am

Re: Disillusionment creeping in.
 

Originally Posted by Dunstable Diva (Post 9069637)
Totally agree. If you are close to your family and friends it is heartbreaking to be away from them. But I have Brit friends here who have no connection with there family, they dont get on with their mum or brothers and sisters and they have settled here fine. I personally cant wait to one day move back to Uk so I can enjoy my family who I love more than any lifestyle but thats just me. Go for it .Keep some options open. With no kids you are in a priviliged position.:fingerscrossed:

With me, having left young, family never crossed my mind 20 odd years ago. I have had 2 grandparents and countless other family members die, not to mention nieces and nephews being born who don't know me. I have become more painfully aware of the importance of family, especially as they age.

I suppose if you have Canadian kids to a Canadian spouse it's different, but .....


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