Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Oct 24th 2006 | 1:23 pm
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by givemeabreak
well firstly I must apologise for my first posts on this site, I was very rude, very forceful, very pig-headed and when I look back on it I'm quite ashamed. I think I was definately bored and antagonistic. Bored with waiting for so long for the PR to come through and antagonistic because I wanted to be in Canada and would quite happily replace anyone who wasn't enjoying it or taking it for granted. So sorry everyone for getting up your backs as someone quite rightly said "you are living it and have first hand experience of life in Canada as an ex pat". Mine is all theory at the moment. In case anyone is interested our state of play is this: had a job offer in Washington DC but after going out there again last week we turned that down for various reasons but main one being he would hardly be at home at all and the whole idea of this move is for a better quality of family life because contrary to someone else's view I adore my husband and we are very, very close and still very much in love. The children are suffering with his absences and I can no longer sleep with a 7 year old in my bed every night crying because he's missing his dad.
My husband has however been offered a fabulous job with a large satellite company based in Ottawa he is over there in 2 weeks time to finalise negotiations and sign on the dotted line this will then (I hope) help fast track our PR visa that has been in for 22 months now. So for curiosity's sake there you go thats what has happened to us and I hope you all forgive me for my very angry rants and hopefully \I shan't be one of those people that gives it 6 months and then returns to UK else I shall never be able to show my face again cheers xxx
My husband has however been offered a fabulous job with a large satellite company based in Ottawa he is over there in 2 weeks time to finalise negotiations and sign on the dotted line this will then (I hope) help fast track our PR visa that has been in for 22 months now. So for curiosity's sake there you go thats what has happened to us and I hope you all forgive me for my very angry rants and hopefully \I shan't be one of those people that gives it 6 months and then returns to UK else I shall never be able to show my face again cheers xxx
good on you luv, i wish you the very best and hope you enjoy canada as much as I do. It takes time get used to the anywhere(new city, new country), i find accepting somewhere for what is it good and bad makes things a lot easier
Oct 24th 2006 | 9:40 pm
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by givemeabreak
Thanks I'll remember that tip. However, I have found that actually removing oneselfs from a false environment of a computer chat room and physically communicating with people on a "face to face" basis usually has more results. You tend to just get bogged down with self pity when you ex-communicate yourself from public life by staying indoors.
you can't half tell this is the wife of an officer writing this. having spent 7ys in the Royal Navy i feel qualified to comment. might i remind you that when you say, "move yourself" the next time, will actually mean YOU, not some junior airman.
Oct 24th 2006 | 9:46 pm
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by givemeabreak
My husband has however been offered a fabulous job with a large satellite company based in Ottawa he is over there in 2 weeks time to finalise negotiations and sign on the dotted line this will then (I hope) help fast track our PR visa that has been in for 22 months now.
Oct 25th 2006 | 4:46 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by rae
ho ho ho, promised PR by employer, around june, then august, then sept, now oct no news apart from it won't be before next may, ho ho ho, and this person claims to have researched and derides those who don't.
Oct 25th 2006 | 4:53 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by givemeabreak
I think you must be replying to the wrong quote because as I said quite clearly our paperwork has been in since Feb 05 we are signing in 2 weeks if the money is enough and this means our application will then be fastracked as circumstances have changed and we have a job offer with an Ottawa company. I haven't got a clue where you're coming from about June, August, September and October we only got the job offer for Ottawa 3 weeks ago!!!! This is after refusing a job offer that was similar in Washington DC. So I think you have got yourself confused and I'm not really sure what you're point is?! Read back through my quote before getting on your high horse and assuming the worse - tad of the old green monster I fear
Well here's hoping your not disappointed.
PC Washington DC has nothing to do with Canada and therefore won't influence the PR process.
Oct 25th 2006 | 4:55 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by rae
is it only me that sees the irony in this.
you can't half tell this is the wife of an officer writing this. having spent 7ys in the Royal Navy i feel qualified to comment. might i remind you that when you say, "move yourself" the next time, will actually mean YOU, not some junior airman.
you can't half tell this is the wife of an officer writing this. having spent 7ys in the Royal Navy i feel qualified to comment. might i remind you that when you say, "move yourself" the next time, will actually mean YOU, not some junior airman.
what planet did you drop from - Royal Navy for 7 years and thinks he's an expert, people like you walk round with such a weight (2 chips on each shoulder) when you've done as many years as my husband (who actually started life as an airman and then became an officer 11 years ago through lots of hard work might I add), then you can come back with such a reply but lets be honest 7 years is hardly a lifetime in the military!!!! No I don't feel you are qualified to comment! By the way "move yourself" in the past yes, we have had to move ourselves due to the incompetance of RAF admin and we moved into our own house (by ourselves again) 7 years ago. I haven't got a clue where you think airman do the removals for you what a joke just goes to show you have little or no experience - lower ranks have never been asked or ever would be asked to do this its done by professional packers called "Pickfords" so before you come back with such a vicious, uneducated, and ridiculous reply do your research because you only make a prat of yourself and your point is completely invalid!!!! Consider yourself told off Ha ha ha ha
Oct 25th 2006 | 4:57 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
So are they arranging a work permit to get him here and started... getting the LMO, applying for the permit etc, or are you counting on the mythical "fast tracking" for UK PR applicants with job offers alone.
If thats the plan are they arranging to do the paperwork for an AEO, or is there nothing but the job offer in hand, which wont count for much officially Im afraid.
I dont know that there is even any formal acnowledgment anywhere that the "fast track" even exists.
And take a chill pill or something, please! Rae was just making the point that this time around you will have to arrange and pay for everything yourself. Dont see it as a big problem myself. Countless thousands of us without even basic training have managed it all on our own.
However the irony refered to was that you are on a web forum bemoaning people being on a forum offering "advice" (for want of a better term) rather than living life. If you cant see the irony in that (or failed to understand the way it was written), then perhaps you should stick to face to face meetings. Good luck with that when you are in the UK and we are in Canada. Ive a feeling many of the people you might meet in the UK to discuss moving to Canada probably has some financial interest in painting a certain picture. Those of us who waste our time here are only doing it to share our knowledge for free, cos we are returning the favour after someone else helped us along the way, or cos we wish we had known this stuff when we started, so please, try not to come across as a total arrogant bitch, its discouraging and thankless enough posting here as it is.
If thats the plan are they arranging to do the paperwork for an AEO, or is there nothing but the job offer in hand, which wont count for much officially Im afraid.
I dont know that there is even any formal acnowledgment anywhere that the "fast track" even exists.
And take a chill pill or something, please! Rae was just making the point that this time around you will have to arrange and pay for everything yourself. Dont see it as a big problem myself. Countless thousands of us without even basic training have managed it all on our own.
However the irony refered to was that you are on a web forum bemoaning people being on a forum offering "advice" (for want of a better term) rather than living life. If you cant see the irony in that (or failed to understand the way it was written), then perhaps you should stick to face to face meetings. Good luck with that when you are in the UK and we are in Canada. Ive a feeling many of the people you might meet in the UK to discuss moving to Canada probably has some financial interest in painting a certain picture. Those of us who waste our time here are only doing it to share our knowledge for free, cos we are returning the favour after someone else helped us along the way, or cos we wish we had known this stuff when we started, so please, try not to come across as a total arrogant bitch, its discouraging and thankless enough posting here as it is.
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Oct 25th 2006 | 5:00 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by Grah
so are you under the impression that once CHC receive the job offer letter they will run in and get your paperwork and stamp it and approve it.
Well here's hoping your not disappointed.
PC Washington DC has nothing to do with Canada and therefore won't influence the PR process.
Well here's hoping your not disappointed.
PC Washington DC has nothing to do with Canada and therefore won't influence the PR process.
Its got to be quicker than sitting there in the queue and waiting and waiting (2 years in Feb) when we started this process the wait was 18 months, now its 26 months although obviously we have to go at the pace of the immigration process you can't tell me it won't help to speed this along especially as the job is not one a Canadian can do thats why people from different countries are interested in him.
Oct 25th 2006 | 5:03 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by iaink
So are they arranging a work permit to get him here and started... getting the LMO, applying for the permit etc, or are you counting on the mythical "fast tracking" for UK PR applicants alone.
If thats the plan are they arranging to do the paperwork for an AEO, or is there nothing but the job offer in hand, which wont count for much officially Im afraid.
I dont know that there is even any formal acnowledgment anywhere that the "fast track" even exists.
If thats the plan are they arranging to do the paperwork for an AEO, or is there nothing but the job offer in hand, which wont count for much officially Im afraid.
I dont know that there is even any formal acnowledgment anywhere that the "fast track" even exists.
Oct 25th 2006 | 5:06 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by givemeabreak
you can't tell me it won't help to speed this along especially as the job is not one a Canadian can do thats why people from different countries are interested in him.
If the employer is dead keen on the hire, and can wait the time for the HRSDC clearance (or already has) and visa issue then that's great news.
K.
Oct 25th 2006 | 5:13 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by givemeabreak
You quite clearly are the subject matter expert because I wouldn't even pretend to know what your abbreviations stand for! But I think this might make things a bit clearer. Our Skilled Workers application has been in since Feb 05 and the company will be doing our immigration paperwork for us and this was before they knew we had already started the process ourselves this just adds to their convenience to have my husband working for them sooner rather than later, is that what you meant?
Basic terms
LMO...Labout Market Opinion (required from HRDSC to get a work permit)
AEO...Arranged Employment Offer (required from HRDSC to certify that a job is for real and above board inorder to get extra points for PR...and presumably to get you on a fast track...if such a thing even exists)
LMO requires proof the position has been advertised in Canada and noone found, and will get you here on a work permit within a few months
AOE, not nearly as stringent conditions, but wont get you here any time soon.
It would be rather unusual in this situation for an employer to negotiate and commit to salary and conditions, and then be prepared to sit and wait for PR to come through. I would expect some sort of work permit solution to be in their mind, unless they have been mislead over the true likely timeframe involved, in which case they might drop the whole idea.
As the job is in Ottawa, and Ontario has no PNP, your options are basically wait for PR (could be at least another year..even fast tracked...if that really exists), or go the Temporary resident work permit route in the mean time.
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Oct 25th 2006 | 5:15 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by givemeabreak
Its got to be quicker than sitting there in the queue and waiting and waiting (2 years in Feb) when we started this process the wait was 18 months, now its 26 months although obviously we have to go at the pace of the immigration process you can't tell me it won't help to speed this along especially as the job is not one a Canadian can do thats why people from different countries are interested in him.
Im really not sure why you came on this site, it looks like just to have a go at people and say hey look at us.
You seem to think your husband is so wonderful because he has been in the military, what difference does it make. You say he has worked "so hard" do you think he is the only one who has worked hard in his job.
I see you apologised for your 1st post but im not sure that will make much difference, the damage has been done.
I have done my research on the area I want to go to, visited there last May but that doesnt mean when I get there I wont feel home sick, I guess thats something no one knows until your actually there.
Your wait seems quite short compared to mine as ive only just started the process and that looks like at least 45 months.
Im not trying to be rude but just felt I had to put my 2 pence/cents worth in
Oct 25th 2006 | 5:26 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by iaink
I thought you had done *lots* of research?
Basic terms
LMO...Labout Market Opinion (required from HRDSC to get a work permit)
AEO...Arranged Employment Offer (required from HRDSC to certify that a job is for real and above board inorder to get extra points for PR...and presumably to get you on a fast track...if such a thing even exists)
LMO requires proof the position has been advertised in Canada and noone found, and will get you here on a work permit within a few months
AOE, not nearly as stringent conditions, but wont get you here any time soon.
It would be rather unusual in this situation for an employer to negotiate and commit to alary and conditions, and then be prepared to sit and wait for PR to come through. I would expect some sort of work permit solution to be in their mind, unless they have been mislead over the true likely timeframe involved, in which case they might drop the whole idea.
Basic terms
LMO...Labout Market Opinion (required from HRDSC to get a work permit)
AEO...Arranged Employment Offer (required from HRDSC to certify that a job is for real and above board inorder to get extra points for PR...and presumably to get you on a fast track...if such a thing even exists)
LMO requires proof the position has been advertised in Canada and noone found, and will get you here on a work permit within a few months
AOE, not nearly as stringent conditions, but wont get you here any time soon.
It would be rather unusual in this situation for an employer to negotiate and commit to alary and conditions, and then be prepared to sit and wait for PR to come through. I would expect some sort of work permit solution to be in their mind, unless they have been mislead over the true likely timeframe involved, in which case they might drop the whole idea.
Oct 25th 2006 | 5:39 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Oh please, spare us. You are just lucky that your hubby has skills no-one in Canada has. Its not so much the result of hard work, you think other people out there have not worked just as hard, if not harder? Its just blind luck to be in the right niche area. I know what I'm talking about, as that how I ended up here. I worked hard to get there, but I'm no more special than many others who had far more to lose and took a chance on coming here. In fact I had it positively easy, and have far more respect for those who really had to work to make this happen, rather than have it fall in their lap. It just sounds to me like you are trying to reconcile the fact that you had to raise the kids without seing much of him, well you are not alone in that situation unfortunatley. One of the prime reasons I am so grateful for the life I have in Canada is that I can maintain some sort of work / homelife balance, and get to see my kids grow up.
My advice if I was in your position. Beware of coming on just a work permit, its a pain in the arse, you have no credit rating for example, and no recourse to alternative employment or unemployment benefits should the employer turn around and decide its "not working out" after you moved 4000 miles to start here.
Credit might not seem too important, but even if you dont intend to run a balance, the convenience of having local cards is nice to have, or a monthly car payment rather than paying out a lump sum. I guess it would not be forever, but if you can avoid it, then try to!
My advice if I was in your position. Beware of coming on just a work permit, its a pain in the arse, you have no credit rating for example, and no recourse to alternative employment or unemployment benefits should the employer turn around and decide its "not working out" after you moved 4000 miles to start here.
Credit might not seem too important, but even if you dont intend to run a balance, the convenience of having local cards is nice to have, or a monthly car payment rather than paying out a lump sum. I guess it would not be forever, but if you can avoid it, then try to!
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Oct 25th 2006 | 5:42 am
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong or start a debate?!?
Originally Posted by iaink
Those of us who waste our time here are only doing it to share our knowledge for free, cos we are returning the favour after someone else helped us along the way, or cos we wish we had known this stuff when we started.
Read the very small print - those of us who partake on this nonsensical rambling ranting website are not the snake oil salesmen. We have no shiny suits, no freshly pomaded hair, there's no hang-wringing from us, hoping for a deal and a commission - we have done it, moved it, paid for it, screwed it up, suffered it, waited for it, lived it and seen it. We've worried about it, panicked about it, fussed over it, said to hell with it. We've succeeded at it, achieved it, and wondered how we managed it, but ultimately, those that done it, are it.
We all offer a free service, there's no warranty with it.
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