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dbd33 Nov 19th 2021 12:47 am

Re: Canada is a scam
 

Originally Posted by HGerchikov (Post 13073578)
Condo buildings have rules about number of pets and the size of them. They are generally not flexible about this rule being broken, wherever you are from. The limit is based on the weight of the dog so, if you have a dog close to the weight limit then you need to keep that pooch on a strict diet. In this case it doesn't sound like they were hounded out because of their race but because of their hound.

As noted above, I'm not going to go far into such an irrationally emotive subject as pets. Arguably this is not the largest dog in the building but I haven't measured them. Why anyone would keep a dog in a condo is as much a mystery to me as why anyone would willingly move to North York.

As also noted above, the alleged racism kicked in after the initial dispute. In the ears of the people leaving it's not acceptable to use race as a term of abuse regardless of what argument it is incidental to.

Mordko Nov 19th 2021 12:55 am

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so long as you have a francophone and someone of undecided sexuality that's enough.
Given that LBTQ is among the most victimized minority groups in Canada, I’d say they qualify for contributing to “diversity” and should not be dismissed off hand, be it via ignorance or malice.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/publi...rimereport.pdf

dbd33 Nov 19th 2021 1:12 am

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Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13073588)
Given that LBTQ is among the most victimized minority groups in Canada, I’d say they qualify for contributing to “diversity”

Yes. Point deliberately missed, I note.

Mordko Nov 19th 2021 1:14 am

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As also noted above, the alleged racism kicked in after the initial dispute. In the ears of the people leaving it's not acceptable to use race as a term of abuse regardless of what argument it is incidental to.
No, also racist abuse in a public forum would have been grounds for a formal complaint and newspapers would have got involved.

Like this. https://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/...cial-slur.html

Mordko Nov 19th 2021 1:17 am

Re: Canada is a scam
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13073597)
Yes. Point deliberately missed, I note.

Your point that only certain minorities count stems from ignorance.

Tirytory Nov 19th 2021 1:29 am

Re: Canada is a scam
 

Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13073602)
Your point that only certain minorities count stems from ignorance.


I’ve read quite a bit this year around these subjects. I’ve always found it very interesting. Caste by Isabel Wilkerson is a great book, and her previous book The Warmth of Other Suns was also good. Jews Don’t Count by David Baddiel was also very good, and talks about the hierarchy of discrimination and racism.

I won’t speak for Dbd, but the conversation was around discrimination based on race, and you’re attempting to make it about something else. I would never disagree that being any minority group has life made so much harder for them. But I guess the point would be that a white gay couple would still have life easier than a black gay couple.

It seems ridiculous that we should even still be having these conversations, but Caste really talks about how the US is systemically racist at it’s core. Comparables with the US are easy to find within Canada and the UK.

Rete Nov 19th 2021 1:38 am

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Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 13073388)
Irony?

I always try to teach my kids to avoid words like that if they don’t like something. Just because you don’t like something it doesn’t make it horrid or obnoxious.

They are legitimate descriptive words and they fit the sentence from mine, my family's and the other tenants POV. The smells were horrible and to this day I cannot stomach the smell of curry or hot grease. If you wish to teach your child not to use certain descriptive words that is, of course, your choice.

Rete Nov 19th 2021 1:40 am

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Originally Posted by orly (Post 13073419)
Luckily any true Brit enjoys the smell of curry.

This is very true. Luckily for me, I'm not a Brit.

Tirytory Nov 19th 2021 1:49 am

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Originally Posted by Rete (Post 13073611)
They are legitimate descriptive words and they fit the sentence from mine, my family's and the other tenants POV. The smells were horrible and to this day I cannot stomach the smell of curry or hot grease. If you wish to teach your child not to use certain descriptive words that is, of course, your choice.

Well, I happen to think it’s quite rude to sit there and describe something they personally don’t like as horrid, so yes, I definitely will.

You also seemed to have missed the irony of your question and then your answer, almost like you were hoping that Dbd’s answer would fit with your own thinking and experience of why they should leave. It’s actually a great example of the whole discussion.

Oakvillian Nov 19th 2021 2:01 am

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Originally Posted by Rete (Post 13073371)
Are you free to speak of how and why they were hounded out?

I recall from my teenage years that our apartment building was accepting tenants who the local hospital who were here as interns from India and nurses from the Philipphines with work visas. They were not well liked at all and one of the main reasons was the horrid cooking odors that came from there apartments. Americans back then in the 60's, and probably still today, do not care for curry and cooking with very hot oil. The smells were obnoxious and there were many complaints until the management stopped renting to the hospital's immigrant personnel.


Originally Posted by Rete (Post 13073611)
They are legitimate descriptive words and they fit the sentence from mine, my family's and the other tenants POV. The smells were horrible and to this day I cannot stomach the smell of curry or hot grease. If you wish to teach your child not to use certain descriptive words that is, of course, your choice.

Wow. Way to double-down on the racism.

"They were not well liked" because of "horrid" and "obnoxious" cooking odours. To the extent that immigrants were hounded out of the apartment building. And you think those are "legitimate descriptive words."

I'm pretty disgusted, actually.

dbd33 Nov 19th 2021 2:04 am

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Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13073602)
Your point that only certain minorities count stems from ignorance.

If that was my point, it might stem from ignorance, or it might be a considered position. Since that's the reverse of my point of view, I can't say which it might be.

Siouxie Nov 19th 2021 2:38 am

Re: Canada is a scam
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13073582)
As noted above, I'm not going to go far into such an irrationally emotive subject as pets. Arguably this is not the largest dog in the building but I haven't measured them. Why anyone would keep a dog in a condo is as much a mystery to me as why anyone would willingly move to North York.

As also noted above, the alleged racism kicked in after the initial dispute. In the ears of the people leaving it's not acceptable to use race as a term of abuse regardless of what argument it is incidental to.

There are rules about keeping animals in condo's - it will be in the written bylaws/rights and responsibilities agreement...
Regardless.. perhaps you could inform them that being called racist names goes against the Human Rights code... Racial harassment: know your rights (brochure) | Ontario Human Rights Commission / Policy and guidelines on racism and racial discrimination | Ontario Human Rights Commission
:)


Mordko Nov 19th 2021 3:25 am

Re: Canada is a scam
 

Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 13073609)
I’ve read quite a bit this year around these subjects. I’ve always found it very interesting. Caste by Isabel Wilkerson is a great book, and her previous book The Warmth of Other Suns was also good. Jews Don’t Count by David Baddiel was also very good, and talks about the hierarchy of discrimination and racism.

I won’t speak for Dbd, but the conversation was around discrimination based on race, and you’re attempting to make it about something else. I would never disagree that being any minority group has life made so much harder for them. But I guess the point would be that a white gay couple would still have life easier than a black gay couple.

It seems ridiculous that we should even still be having these conversations, but Caste really talks about how the US is systemically racist at it’s core. Comparables with the US are easy to find within Canada and the UK.

1. Conversation was about diversity. That’s why the term used was... “diversity”. You just chose to interpret it in a very particular way. I was responding to a specific comment saying that certain minorities don’t really count towards diversity: “so long as you have a francophone and someone of undecided sexuality that's enough.”

2. Very much appreciate that you read up all about racism and shared your knowledge with the uninitiated. Very kind of you. Some WASPs excel at it.

Tirytory Nov 19th 2021 3:37 am

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Originally Posted by Mordko (Post 13073648)
1. Conversation was about diversity. That’s why the term used was... “diversity”. You just chose to interpret it in a very particular way. I was responding to a specific comment saying that certain minorities don’t really count towards diversity: “so long as you have a francophone and someone of undecided sexuality that's enough.”

2. Very much appreciate that you read up all about racism and shared your knowledge with the uninitiated. Very kind of you. Some WASPs excel at it.

Sarcasm and mocking noted. So the alternative is I shouldn’t read? Maybe I should reach for Facebook instead to inform me? Maybe I shouldn’t talk about racism with my children at all or maybe my own understanding since I’m not meant to read about it, maybe they should go blindly about their life not understanding how they will always have it easier than others?

What a waste of your time writing that, and mine reading and responding to it.

Jimbo2012 Nov 19th 2021 3:46 am

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Originally Posted by bats (Post 13073445)
I live there too, well Peterborough County but I know it well. It is racist, maybe not by Canadian standards but certainly in comparison to the UK. They did try and burn the mosque down there and only 15 or so years ago Campbellford Legion Halloween Fancy dress party made the news for a KKK man and his blackface captive in a noose.

That's a slippery slope when you're suggesting that the actions of a few idiots make an entire city or region racist.

I'm sure we've had similar incidents in the GTA. Does this mean Toronto is "racist"?

Maybe it's the company I keep, but I have experienced next to nothing in the way of racist or bigoted comments in the 9 years or so that I've lived in the area. And I've played sports with quite a diverse range of people from all 4 corners of the globe. And I've even eaten at "ethnic" restaurants that were not the obligatory "Chinese-Canadian".

But, like I say, those are my own experiences. Others may differ.


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