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Old Nov 8th 2005, 9:57 pm
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Old Nov 9th 2005, 12:03 pm
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Oh help this has made me feel really unsure now.! We had more or less decided to make Bragg Creek/Redwood Meadows area our home when we move out next year (looked round school, houses, facilities,etc and had been really impressed). Now hearing about "Sour Gas" I feel concerned. We have two small children and do not want to move somewhere unhealthy. Can anyone advise as to how unsafe/safe it is to live in that area?
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Oh help this has made me feel really unsure now.! We had more or less decided to make Bragg Creek/Redwood Meadows area our home when we move out next year (looked round school, houses, facilities,etc and had been really impressed). Now hearing about "Sour Gas" I feel concerned. We have two small children and do not want to move somewhere unhealthy. Can anyone advise as to how unsafe/safe it is to live in that area?
Oh dear, I hope I'm not gone and ruined someones dreams. We will be living
only a few km from Cochrane gas plant, but its well out of sight and much lower than us. Should not be a hazard. There were a couple of acreage properties on the MLS that were less than 1 km from the plant, directly overlooking it. Now, that would be a bad choise.

Firstly, at the moment the Bragg Creek area is a dream place to live in. Pefect clean crisp air in beautiful surroundings.

The presence of wells in themselves should not be a problem. Even the fact that they are sour does not make the area generally unhealthy. Any sour oil/gas process facility will inevitably occasionally give those on the actual site a whiff of rotten eggs (the hydrogen sulphide) but the quantities involved will be so small that they just won't affect housing further away.

There are really just two key issues:

- How close will the wells be to where you live. Are they just rumours. Would you be living either near to or withinin the evacuation zone. If they are well away from where you intend to live then just forget about them. Find out as much as you can about the proposed developments and if evacuations zones have already proposed, just make sure that you live twice as far away. As far as I am aware these are not firm developments at the moment. The wells to the South East cause a bit of a political storm over the Summer. Approval may very well be denied.

My real issue is with the authorities allowing sour wells in the South East so close to residential housing. Canada is so resource rich that this is just not necessery and this is just greed.

- They might not be thinking about drilling the now, but check future developments. You don't want to suddenly see the value you home drop because of it a few years down the line.

I liked Bragg Creek and would have seriously considered moving there, had it not just seemed a little two small to bring up our son and too mich of a pig of a drive into the center of town every day.

There is always Cochrane, just up Highway 22 to the North West. Bigger and better facilities plus just as nice views of the Roickies, although not so many trees, but at least it does have some.
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Oh help this has made me feel really unsure now.! We had more or less decided to make Bragg Creek/Redwood Meadows area our home when we move out next year (looked round school, houses, facilities,etc and had been really impressed). Now hearing about "Sour Gas" I feel concerned. We have two small children and do not want to move somewhere unhealthy. Can anyone advise as to how unsafe/safe it is to live in that area?
This site might interest you.
http://www.eub.gov.ab.ca/bbs/documen...4/2004-090.pdf
Not to sure what to think about sour gas, but it seems that there are wells nearly all over SE and SW Calgary.
We liked the school Banded Peak, everyone was very friendly. Beware about Redwood Meadows as it's lease hold, they are negotiating an extension to the lease but this may cost $25,000.
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Oh help this has made me feel really unsure now.! We had more or less decided to make Bragg Creek/Redwood Meadows area our home when we move out next year
When do you expect to be in Canada.
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An interesting read. The views of the greedy gas company vs the tree huggers. The technical content relies upon the usual quick and dirty numerical methods for prediction gas dispersion. They are sadly industry standard, but if used ethically should be conservative, although as I mentioned in an earlier post there is scope for skulldugary when using the software. If they install the downhole choke to restrict the flow and the corresponding evacuation area, then I probably wouldn't be put off moving to Bragg Creek.

My view is that from a technical standpoint what they are proposing is no worse that anything else that is being done to provide Canada with energy. From a human standpoint though, it is pretty disgusting that they would be allowed to put a potentially hazardous installation near an inhabited recreational area.

FWIW, I used to work for an engineering consultancy in the UK that did these sort of safety analyses. Bored me to to death, so had to move on for the sake of my sanity

And as another poster mentioned. Beware of Redwoord Meadows. Very beautiful but I would not blame the Native Indians if they just said "Thank You Very Much" and just reclaimed the property when the leases end. Sort of justice for the way that they are generally treated, although enough of that here since it is off post.
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And as another poster mentioned. Beware of Redwoord Meadows. Very beautiful but I would not blame the Native Indians if they just said "Thank You Very Much" and just reclaimed the property when the leases end. Sort of justice for the way that they are generally treated, although enough of that here since it is off post.
Just for informations sake the long term leases in Redwood Meadows run out in 2048. No telling what happens at that point.

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An interesting read. The views of the greedy gas company vs the tree huggers. The technical content relies upon the usual quick and dirty numerical methods for prediction gas dispersion. They are sadly industry standard, but if used ethically should be conservative, although as I mentioned in an earlier post there is scope for skulldugary when using the software. If they install the downhole choke to restrict the flow and the corresponding evacuation area, then I probably wouldn't be put off moving to Bragg Creek.

My view is that from a technical standpoint what they are proposing is no worse that anything else that is being done to provide Canada with energy. From a human standpoint though, it is pretty disgusting that they would be allowed to put a potentially hazardous installation near an inhabited recreational area.

FWIW, I used to work for an engineering consultancy in the UK that did these sort of safety analyses. Bored me to to death, so had to move on for the sake of my sanity

And as another poster mentioned. Beware of Redwoord Meadows. Very beautiful but I would not blame the Native Indians if they just said "Thank You Very Much" and just reclaimed the property when the leases end. Sort of justice for the way that they are generally treated, although enough of that here since it is off post.
Glad you could understand it (I'll have to read again). All I got from it so far, was that they can drill for gas, Wintergreen is within the evacuation zone, so they'll came and tell you if your going to die .
But seriously for what I have seen of large companies is spend as little as possible, make as much as you can. Tree Hughes as you call them, paint the world so black you'd think someone has turned the lights out. So take whatever is said with a large pinch of salt, and some where in the middle is the truth. Very cynical but life has left me this way

I was also informed that the Native Indians (is this politically correct) want the money from Redwood Meadows so they can build a casino.

Thank you for your input, it is always appreciated. If you have any other info on sour gas and Bragg Creek please post.
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Not to sure what to think about sour gas, but it seems that there are wells nearly all over SE and SW Calgary.
Do you have a link for this too?
 
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An interesting read. The views of the greedy gas company vs the tree huggers.
I could only find a few residents that were concerned about the Emergency Response Plan?
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Do you have a link for this too?
Back wished I put this in my favorites. We know about the wells near Bragg Creek SE. The SW well Okotoks link below.
http://www.eub.gov.ab.ca/bbs/documen...5/2005-060.pdf
Still looking for the other site, this one showed the wells and pipe lines to the processing plant.
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This site might interest you.
http://www.eub.gov.ab.ca/bbs/documen...4/2004-090.pdf
Not to sure what to think about sour gas, but it seems that there are wells nearly all over SE and SW Calgary.

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Back wished I put this in my favorites. We know about the wells near Bragg Creek SE. The SW well Okotoks link below.
http://www.eub.gov.ab.ca/bbs/documen...5/2005-060.pdf
Still looking for the other site, this one showed the wells and pipe lines to the processing plant.
I'm really not trying to pick on you but:

Your first post mentions sour gas wells in SW Calgary.

Your first link was for a well out by Bragg Creek. The link above seems to be for the well in SE Calgary (generally known as "the Compton plans").

Do you have more links for wells to the south west of Calgary?
 
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I'm really not trying to pick on you but:

Your first post mentions sour gas wells in SW Calgary.

Your first link was for a well out by Bragg Creek. The link above seems to be for the well in SE Calgary (generally known as "the Compton plans").

Do you have more links for wells to the south west of Calgary?
Maybe it's the way I look at Calgary. I have dived as follows everything east of highway 2 is east and west of highway 2 is west. The Compton Well I place in the SW part of Calgary, I used page 44 to came to this assumption. I apologise if this is wrong it's just the way I look at the map. If it is wrong let me know as this is part of the forum to educate and discuss.
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Maybe it's the way I look at Calgary. I have divided as follows everything east of highway 2 is east and west of highway 2 is west. The Compton Well I place in the SW part of Calgary, I used page 44 to come to this assumption. I apologise if this is wrong it's just the way I look at the map. If it is wrong let me know as this is part of the forum to educate and discuss.
Using the above logic is fine, Macleod Trail is generally accepted as the dividing line between east and west in the south portion of the city.

But how do you figure that the Compton Wells are west of Highway 2. They are clearly east of both the Deerfot Trail (Highway 2) and Macleod Trail (formerly Highway 2) according to the map on page 44 of the PDF document.
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Using the above logic is fine, Macleod Trail is generally accepted as the dividing line between east and west in the south portion of the city.

But how do you figure that the Compton Wells are west of Highway 2. They are clearly east of both the Deerfot Trail (Highway 2) and Macleod Trail (formerly Highway 2) according to the map on page 44 of the PDF document.
Sorry have turned the map the right way up. Got my east and west mixed up, and I've got a pilots licence God help me .
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