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Dammit, you're right! Far too conscientious. :rolleyes:

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Actually I can answer your question.

Firstly, remember, no one can turn back time.
Nothing Australia ever does will erase what was done to Aborigines BY THE BRITISH on the continent of Australia.
So no matter how racially harmonious oz might be at anytime in the future -those wanting a cheap shot at Oz can always bring the Aboriginals up.
Now heres the complicated part-
EuroNazis can always bismirch places like Oz or the US with "the blacks" issue.
No one has ever solved the fact that in european based societies whites seem to do better than blacks.
Actually Australia has pumped billions upon billions into Aboriginal welfare and betterment- a truly astonishing amount of money -and the reasons why Aboriginals remain in the dumps might not be that easy to solve.
Of course these Euronazi's would think to themselves that the reasons why Aborigines are in the dumps are because whites are superior-and they would know that its a cunning way to have a go at places like the US or in Bundy's case Oz (after all the dumb Americans actually believe in this equality anti-racism nonsense that we-the euronazi's cunningly pretend to believe in)-and therefore simply have to concede.

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pulls up a chair :beer:

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So take someone like MikeStanton who lived in Oz for a decade or so-blind freddy could have seen how much money and effort was put into bettering the lot of Aborigines in the 80's and 90's. So you take a cheap shot-ignore that-and say something like "the appalling racism against native Australians".
It is infact not as simple as that.
I agree the UK has far more draconian rules dealing with hate-crimes. But a large chunk of average working or middle-class Brits are bottomless wells of racial-hatred-and betray it.
The Average Australian is far less racist. thats why Australia is more relaxed about voicing seemingly racist attitudes-not because Australia is more racist-thats a cunning fib employed by bitterbrits who want have ago at Oz after failing there.

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Who wants a :beer: :beer: :D

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Yes, you’re right, it is impossible to turn back time. And yes, it was the British that were responsible for the decimation of the Aborgines in the first place. I wonder what your heritage is, as an Australian.

But, my point is that IN MY EXPERIENCE (as I believed I mentioned), intolerance (to use the polite word – racism, to be blunt) certainly continues to exist when it comes to Aboriginal culture. From the time I spent in Oz, I was party to all kinds of colourful words and expressions to describe those of aboriginal descent, none of which are repeatable. It’s not a cheap shot to bring up the Aboriginal card, not by a long shot, because it is a problem that exists and continues to persist. The Oz Govt can chuck as much money at the problem as it likes – as you state, maybe it’s not that easy to solve. Ever wondered why? Perhaps it is because intolerance towards Aborigines is so embedded that it remains a problem without solution.

And it doesn’t just relate to Aboriginal issues. I found many Australians to be largely intolerant of those of Asian descent too, and in fact anyone who is not true blue Aussie (whatever that may be). They may couch it in terms of mild amusement and poking fun, but it’s not always that funny. And where else can what would be a racist term elsewhere be lauded as a term of amusement (I’m talking about Wog).

As for your argument about EuroNazis – and I don’t see the relevance, since you can’t be suggesting that I am one, and you would be foolish to suggest that you are….Why are whites more successful than blacks (frankly, I don’t much like the terms ‘whites’ and ‘blacks’ either), if not for a self-perpetuating cycle whereby ‘whites’ subjugate ‘blacks’ by behaving in precisely the intolerant manner you have displayed in this, and other postings. ‘Dumb Americans’ being yet another example.

If you are trying to suggest that I am a ‘EuroNazi’ in my stance to highlight issues of racism in Australia and other countries, then you have clearly got things badly wrong.

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Again, generalisation without evidence. And a pile of cr*p.

So it's ok to voice racist attitudes, is it? As long as it's by an Aussie, cos, hey, we all know the average Aussie is far less racist :rolleyes:

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Here be trolls.....

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From this interesting article: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket/...878108,00.html

"[Australia] is not yet at a stage of cultural maturity where we even know what racism is. Our prime minister John Howard is supposedly a decent man who hates the racist epithet. Yet each year he sanctifies the white man's military tragedy (Gallipoli) while denying or excusing the black man's military tragedy (the colonisation massacres).

Racism in Australia is insidious, unadmitted. We have few proud racists. There is no open Klan or National Front here. Our white supremacist fringe - the 10% of voters represented in the late 1990s by Pauline Hanson but who, in the 2001 election, swung back into step with Howard's dance of Arab-phobia - do not admit to racism.

Hanson's platform of cutting non-white immigration and government assistance to Aborigines was coded as a call for "fairness" (no pun intended) from "mainstream Australia". When Howard talks of pre-emptive strikes against terrorists in Asia, and of de-democratising the rights of non-white asylum seekers, his favourite phrasing is "ordinary Australians think...". All ills can be cured if everybody just stops whingeing and swallows the (white, male, resolutely middle-class and anti-intellectual) panacea of 'mateship'.

By raising this, one risks being labelled politically-correct and a troublemaker. Three years ago, when India toured Australia, I interviewed Indian-Australians who were supporting India. I found two reasons.

One was that it is natural not to let go of one's birthplace. Presumably those Australians who impose cultural-assimilation policies upon new arrivals are not the ones who slag Greg Norman for his American accent; presumably those who say Muslims should renounce their language and religion once they become Australians are not the ones who accuse Clive James and Germaine Greer of "selling out" their Australian-ness to Britain. "

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It's still fun to argue though :D

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It appears to me that you are in fact not a latent Nazi and a genuinely tolerant person-however,I get the sneaking suspicion that many Europeans have latent nazi tendencies-and disguise this with "Anti-Americanism"-or even possibly "Anti-Australianism".
I meant "dumb Americans" in the sense that euronazis view them as such.
Euronazis who cunningly attack the UK with the issue of treatment of blacks.
My point is that when you judge Australia you miss certain key points.
Australia is clearly a melting pot-it is blatantly obvious that the Anglo hegemony is slowly melting-and in its place society, like the US, where no particular ethnic origin has a monopoly on Australian identity. The concept that in order to be "true blue" you must be of British or at least western European origin is dissapearing.-and fast.
From that perspective or within that reality(if you follow) some white Australians might seem racist-when they realise that Australia is fast hurtling into complete multi-racialism.
The europeans-smug in their ethnocracies, neednt make boorish racist comments-sure slum-dwelling minorites exist in say france, the UK and Italy-but ultimately Italy will always be Italian-and the UK, British. Minorities will exist-but none of these places will be the land of opportunity where anyone from anywhere can "make it"-australia is such a place.
Ultimately Australia probably wont be Ango-Saxon specifically-and thats the bottom line

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Thats an opinion-I disagree.
Australian racism as I said should be seen in context-even John Howard would concede that in a hundred years the majority of Australians will not be of british ancestry-actually I read an interesting aritcle myself by a personal friend of john Howard-it claimed thats really all John Howard is about-a kind of last hurrah for british Australianism. Apparantly he isnt actually anti-republic,for instance, but wants to kind of "celebrate" the last years of any britsh Australian culture-which was all-encompassing in his childhood-before it dissapears forever.
If the Italianness of italy or the anglo-saxon nature of the UK was actually as tenuous as Anglo-Australia-you would have Hitler over again. thats the big Euronazi lie.

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As long as, to quote from the article I posted you are 'white, male, resolutely middle-class and anti-intellectual'.

Actually, I do believe that Australia does offer opportunities to many people wishing to start again, whatever their background. But I still think it is easier for the average Anglo-Saxon trying to make it in Oz than it is for those of other ethnicities purely because of the emphasis some sections of Australian society place on being of Anglo-Saxon descent.

Maybe it will disappear to an extent, but I doubt it will happen as quickly as you suggest.

On another point, Britain, whether you like it or not, has far less stringent immigration laws than Australia. So in many ways, it will always be easier for non-British citizens to at least get into the country than it will for non-Australians to get into Australia. Australia does seem to be very selective in it's immigration policy compared to Britain and that in itself can be deemed sensible, or xenophobic depending on your stance.

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A very valid point HOWEVER what do you think "Anglo-Saxon" means?

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Oh and the Chinese dont do well in Australia, even the lebanese do ok???