Who else worries about great Britain despite having emigrated?
 

Just a thought of the day. I love being here, I love living here. But seeing all the stuff online at the moment over the UK and the upcoming general election concerns me. I'm still proud to be British..... but goodness, the nonsense I'm reading on Facebook (Yes, I know..... facebook) about hearing how Corbyn will make Britain great by all his communist ideas is insane...

Thoughts? Is Jeremy Corbyn a socialist/communist? Will his manifesto not bankrupt the UK? Im appauling at politics so interested to hear views/healthy (and educating to me) debate.

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Yes and yes - he basically hates the UK

Your post is worded in a way that assumes he's basically already won the election - which is far from the case. Corbyn is bad but have you heard his allies like McDonnell and Abbott talk? These people, especially Abbott, are dangerous. Abbott would be Home Secretary. I know she's had health problems and that's sad, but she is borderline imbecilic - completely incapable of being in government

Johnson, despite his eccentricities and negatives, is popular - across the political spectrum. The fact that he has tried to deliver Brexit but been denied by Parliament is going to carry a lot of weight with the electorate - even in areas that are not traditionally Conservative

Interesting times

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You may both be interested in joining this thread https://britishexpats.com/forum/take.../#post12765700

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Couldn’t give a monkey’s what happens over there.

I’d rather direct my time and attention closer to home.

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For some of us the UK will always be home........

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I do consider myself fortunate that I’m not one ... I have to summon superhuman levels of arsedness to consider visiting ... We are due a trip and I’m spoiling for time ...

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Thanks for pointing this one out. I shall have a read!!

Amazulu, apologies for the wording in regards to sounding as though he will indeed become in power, I'm pretty sure he won't get near to close. However, just reading some of the nonsense of "but free broadband for every home" and seeing people excited over it and a reason for voting in labour, concerns me. I haven't paid much attention to Corbyns allies, but I have heard some ofsome crazy stuff spouted by abbott, including the free movement scenario..... scary!
In regards to free movement, someone mentioned making it easier to emigrate to Australia. It made me particularly cross.... Not sure whether I have the right or not there but I worked hard to achieve this. It had been a long term goal and I'm proud of achieving the hoop jumping that was needed to get my visa. Why should it be made easier? (Or is this just likely a rumour and I'm getting my pants in a twist for no reason....) to be fair it's probably a whole other argument so back to the original post.

A friend suggested a labour government will empower people to work... and that it is only a minority who will take advantage of 'the system' I can't see this happening. Again I see myself as having only a very small amount of knowledge when it comes to politics, my husband educates me regularly and a discussion of communism and capitalism was raised this morning. All that he discussed with me just sounded what Jeremy Corbyn is trying to push through. It won't stand and the country will bleed further.

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Vote for me and get a free toaster is Corbyn's current policy - never underestimate the amount of people who will vote for free stuff - f**k the consequences

What Corbyn is proposing might work in a country that has little debt, but the UK is not that country. Their total state debt is 90% of GDP - which is huge. They pissed their oil windfall up against the wall on excessive welfare and have nothing to show for it today. What Corbyn is proposing would blow that out to 150% easily. He wants to tax the wealthy and big corporations to pay for his free toasters - but that's assuming that they'll hang around in order to do so

I'm glad I don't live there

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Free toaster hahahaha love the analogy!!! You have hit the nail on the head with the taxing the wealthy to fund his free 'toasters' my husband said the same last night, the wealthy will jump ship, the educated will take their degree's elsewhere (much like I have).

I knew the debt was bad but I didn't realise the UK were at that point of higher debt (So thank you for informing me). Corbyn will easily double the debt whilst expecting the wealthy to pay more.

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Look at Ireland. Until the 1990's they were a socialist basket case. Their greatest export was their highly skilled and educated people so their population was hardly growing. EU subsidies kept them going. But they reformed their economy, cut corporate taxes and slashed regulations. Companies piled in and they boomed. Today they are flying - their per capita GDP has screamed up the rankings. HDI is the best measure of a country's success and the current ranking is:
1 Norway
2 Switzerland
3 Australia
4 Ireland
A decade ago they were about 15th. Extraordinary. There's an example on the UK's doorstep that shows what Jezza is proposing is madness. Just across the Channel, France shows them what happens to a country that persists with socialism

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None of my friends and family who live there are concerned so why should I be?

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He is obviously a Socialist. Do you have an understanding of what that means? It is not a Communist. It is the seeking of a fairer and gentler society. Something Britain could well seel to reinvent. Just where has decades of austerity and cut backs got the nation? Corbyn may not be the answer for al Britain's wrongs, but sure a change of direction is urgently needed.

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Well no you missed out the economy crashed and house prices with it. A lot of money was lost and the Gallic Tiger was halted in its tracks. Emigration picked up substantially with loads flocking to Australia until four years back when the Irish economy turned on its bad luck making the onus on emigrating not as relevant. Still issues though and one wonders if much was learnt from the first boom/bust. France is so because of strong socialist tendencies meaning a better welfare and a desire to remain as such.

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They certainly did. Thatchers council housing give away to divide the working class was about as socialist, in the sense you usually refer to as, costing the country dearly. That and the austerity resulting from less taxes for the rich overall.
Great idea of Corbyn to restore the health of NHS. Once the best health system in the world. More affordable housing. Makes perfect sense. Privatise the railways. Not before time. Demand accountability. Yep badly needed. He wants those with the ability to pay more. Not to hoard it . A better society means all but the top few will benefit.

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Here we go again........

Nope. Really cannot be arsed

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Got to add, I know for a fact that there are a hell of a lot of Irish Nurses here currently. They are the big wave of overseas Nurses at present and have been for the past 4 years or more. . They are getting away from Irish health system in droves as quickly as possible. Basically the Victorian Health System is run by the Irish upper echelons of the Irish health service at present.

Things are definitely bad in the Irish Health Service for sure.

As for worrying about the UK. I'm more worried about what the people are going through and the split in people this has caused, even within families. It's across the whole country this bitter nasty split. Apparently it's going to last for at least 2 generations, maybe even more.

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They'll get over it. The UK has been through much tougher exercises than Brexit and got through them

If people are going to let their politics break up their families, then the issue is with them and not the policy

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Irish health system is indeed pretty bad. I've Irish at the back of me, three doors down from me and on the other side of the road from me. Another who was a neighbour for years recently moved out to a more affordable suburb. None indeed going back to Ireland. All have good jobs here and al remain pretty strongly identifying with being Irish and Irish culture. Two of the female side of these house holds work in health and all commented on the poor state of Irish health system. There is a fear that Australia has learnt nothing from the Irish bubble as well and likely heading down the same path.

Last time since a split would have been during the mining crisis. This split is more nation wide spread and the great fear is the undoing of Britain as a United nation in my opinion.

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What you mean is you are unable to any flesh on your ideological stance. A stance I hasten to add has come close to witnessing the rapture of the capitalist system. Luckily socialist policy came to the rescue of the banking sector who appear to have learnt little and continue on a similar path. The argument is instead of storing up bad banking policy and forever looking after the top few %, it is high time to spread the wealth and in turn admit austerity has been a total failure and not a small threat to the entire democratic process.

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Obviously this goes much further than worrying about Britain. It's about the feasibility of democracy and changes within the Western world. Too many Brits appear to blame the EU when it was poor governance at home creating austerity and cutbacks and moving away from being a country where all have a stake towards a decent life. Obviously Australia has taken a similar path without the quite same dire consequences to date, but very, very far removed from the nation it was twenty or thirty years back.

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Post #15 has my reply

I thought you said that you were leaving BE, never to return?

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I have seen such anger between friends over this it is unreal. There is most definitely a split dividing the country and it is unsettling to see. It's a shame that it has become a centre point of the breaking down of families. Although I believe if something like this can break up a family, there has to be underlying issues going on in the first place.

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As a low income earner you must have been a beneficiary of Scott Morrison's tax break for the poor. How dare you cough at such generosity.

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Australia's gain, Ireland's loss. Here's a basic fact of life - skilled Western people move around the world with relative ease. Those nurses leaving Ireland will be replaced by other nurses moving to Ireland - the merry go round of life. Ireland is famous for losing people! This is nothing new

Ireland's health system remains free at point of use - any system that operates as such will often have pressure at certain points - nature of the beast. Have a look at the latest HDI rankings - the best indicator of the health of an economy - Ireland is bossing it

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Yes I have left for the main part. Saying that though, just can't allow such untruths that you write go unchallenged. But here to help as usual those labouring under false assumptions either due to ignorance or ideological bias. Even if few read and even less bother to challenge.

Your take on the Irish economy being a prime example but not to worry there remain some on here that can correct your over sights and tell it how it really is. The Irish bust was very severe and low taxes on international business failed big time and we all saw the results of an over inflated Irish housing market.

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But where is the wonderful Irish economy you used as an example? Ireland being an example of what low taxes resulting in austerity added to over inflated house prices resulting in greed and unleashing the crash in house prices witnessed in that country. It appears little was learnt with similar mistakes being rein acted.

Australia is hardly the attractive proposition it once was. In fact a lot of Irish have returned. More interest in Canada from that country of late, I'm told. Australia itself is witnessing a growing loss of native born as well as immigrants leaving once acquiring citizenship. Too expensive housing and poorer public services, from aged care to health and university education to child care. Most everything seems to cost more in Australia without the necessary value.

Why wouldn't an educated young person decide on USA or even Canada (although the latter suffers a degree of housing stress like Australia) or make a career in Singapore or elsewhere? Many do not always for economic reasons, obviously, but that is a factor.

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I wouldn't notice such a bribe , quite frankly. The real ones set to gain, are whom it was intended for, those being the top of the pile and business. Yes, an appalling decision, in a time of falling living standards, austerity cutbacks and failing social provision amounting to an ever more divided society. The cost of which most al will bare at some level .

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Read about and understand what HDI is and then we'll discuss

The Irish people still have the ability to choose their government. If they are not happy with what's going on there is an alternative and they can change the government at the next election. Thats all we need to know.

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So please resist from using Ireland as an example, to a political novice, as a positive example, when it fact it exemplifies failed economic policy. Most western governments have the ability to change government but many influences rather than good policy can and does influence the vote. Perhaps people should pass a test on political literacy?
May save themselves a lot of pain if that was the process. Yourself would obviously be disqualified making such an Irish howler of a claim.

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Read about and understand what HDI is and then we'll discuss

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Read about and understand how the Celtic Tiger crashed Your example of Ireland as a country as a country put forward as some sort of economic h light is very faulty at best. As for HDI, at least know to what you infer again, meaning the weakness of using such a measurement. Inequalities among other measurements are not a feature (little interest if much of the wealth goes to a small segment of society)
Back on topic. Socialism is nothing to be scared about. Indeed would in all likelihood make a whole lot more people far happier. Policies over the past few decades of neo liberalism has witnessed some dreadful outcomes and changed society for the worse.
There are some serious concerns with regards to lowering living standards in UK that need to be addressed that hold little interest to the ruling clique. Change is needed. Democracy is under threat as folk search for answers to why things are so bad.

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You do know austerity is where governments cut back and no longer spend money? It doesn't mean governments spend less on on welfare. Certainly not happening in Australia.

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I'm sure with just a little thought, you'll find it is happening in Australia. The falling quality of university education as an example now dependant on international students, resulting in falling quality and denial. Note as happened here in Perth, to whistle blowers that attempt to expose the short comings. The shocking state of under funded age care nothing short of disgraceful. The ever falling New start allowance paid to unemployed ever declining in real value and barely of existence ability.
Government needs to be more than pure managers. Economy while important, is but only one aspect of running a nation.

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Sorry but you are wrong. Newstart payments increase every 6 months in line with inflation which is better than some non government real jobs.

Anyway we've gone a bit of topic. Britain will be fine. It always comes away with the resolve to fight another day. Just look at the football team.

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No real rise in New Start for a generation. Even the most conservative of bodies like Chamber of Commerce has termed it too low. Government claims best form a welfare is having a job. Not much help in people getting one though.

Britain hasn't been 'fine' for all too many people for over a generation. Austerity politics has paid a heavy price on many millions. Although notable that less Brit's appear to be migrating to Australia.

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Just read and you are right. I've been living in Ireland for nearly a decade now and while some Irish leave, others come back and in return we have a lot more other nationals than before. I went for a scan a few months ago and the nurse was German and my dentist is British. If you go out West, you'll actually find many Dutch communities who wanted to escape the crowds of people and nuclear power plants close by. Every place will have problems and they change from year to year.

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So you would be aware of the great economic Irish melt down around the time of the GFC back 2008 Those conditions imposed great austerity measures on the nation , resulting in mass emigration to countries like Australia and Canada and UK. (to name a few) This period saw an outward flow of immigrants to Ireland as well like Brazilians and East Europeans.
In more recent times the economy has indeed lifted resulting in fewer needing to leave and indeed I have crossed paths with quite a few who have retuned over recent years. Most of those were younger, with no real intention to remain abroad permanently, but stayed away while conditions were poor.
Northern Europeans have from the eighties, sought out Ireland as a 'safe refuge' as clean and green and a little romantic in certain eyes. Indeed the house I lived in Co Galway, beside Lake Corib, last century was sold to a German artist woman who was seeking a degree of solitude in an Irish setting and paid handsomely for it.
She had no interest in the economy, just as well, as the area suffered high unemployment (prior to Celtic Tiger days) with the busiest days being the two sign on days which saw a queue stretch down the main street in order to 'sign on' at the post office.
Ireland like most EU countries will attract talent as you describe. One does wonder just how the under staffed NHS across the moat will function to the degree one should assume it would, minus EU staff. But that's another issue. AS for low paid workers from Eastern Europe and Brazil and the like, they will ebb and flow, just as the economy will. Ireland has some issues akin to Australia. High house prices (lessons not learnt there) people not spending but they suffer from a high government debt. Australia is king of the personal debt fiasco.
I wasn't aware of large Dutch communities though. Is that for real? Or just a sprinkling here and there?

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Even after the so called Celtic Tiger, people were still far better off than the generation before that and it was a different suffering. People in Ireland at that time grew up believing that owning multiple properties in Ireland and abroad (150% mortgages), drinking champagne at the hairdressers and popping over to New York for Christmas Shopping was the norm. Even low skilled workers had the most expensive cars and everything else was solved with another loan. It was no melt down for many other Europeans who came to Ireland after the so called crash, because these people (including myself) never had these things in the first place. Then you could argue that thanks to an economic melt down, many others now actually have a home they probably couldn't afford before. Be it under staffed NHS, high house prices etc. there will always be issues and they will change over the years. If it's not the economy, it will be climate issues and overpopulation that will eventually get us. Around Burren and Co. Clare you can still find many of the Dutch who came during the 1980's (Anti-nuclear movement).

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Well I suppose it depends on which people you refer. Not those that took out hefty loans on over inflated Irish real estate. Nor the developers, who thought the games would never end, resulting in lots of unfinished housing construction. Nor those sitting in houses paying mortgages on houses that had declined 30% or more in value. Nor the many, many thousands that were forced overseas to seek employment.
Obviously there will always be issues. But self manufactured issues as came about in Ireland, to which the Irish paid for dearly in imposed austerity , to which they took rather well, all things considered, without the street protests that impacted Greece and Southern European countries.
The economic melt down saw a large numbers of foreign workers leave Ireland. After all their reason for going to Ireland was to work. Ireland is hardly a cheap country to live. I suspect with conditions changing for the better, for now, more immigrants will again be going the other way, that being towards Ireland.

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But let's face it that it's all about timing. During the crash was the best time to move, as you could still walk into jobs + property/was dirt cheap. If the economy is doing well on paper, just means that prices go up, you are paying more and are technically getting less for your money. Eventually people will end up the same and might find out that their mortgage today won't match the salary of tomorrow.