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Old Nov 4th 2019, 3:36 am
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Gah! Please stop conflating "liberal" and "socialist". They are not the same thing at all.
I agree they are not the same but neither is good for self reliance. And it depend if we are talking about liberal social believes versus pure liberalism economics. But social liberals and socialism do sometime have similar goals such as counting far too much on government dependence. But of course it can look different in every country.
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
They may be a more viable proposition, but do we really need another Tory-lite party in elections alongside the Lib-Dems?

And the Tories seem split between adopting Labour policies (as per LiW's link) and hard Brexit.
Personally, yes, that's kind of the exact party I'd like and would vote for.

But I do understand that's a major shift in politics just to accommodate me.....so when's it happening?
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I agree they are not the same but neither is good for self reliance. And it depend if we are talking about liberal social believes versus pure liberalism economics. But social liberals and socialism do sometime have similar goals such as counting far too much on government dependence. But of course it can look different in every country.
What does "not good for self reliance" actually mean? Give me an example of what you are talking about.

This looks like the classic US/UK divide on what government should do. In the UK, and most European countries, we consider that our elected governments are there to work for us, and that their responsibilities include using both our constitutional and legal systems, and the money that we all put in the common pool (tax), to bring about common goals which cannot be achieved through individuals acting alone. Health care is one of those things, as is education. That is not an absence of "self reliance" or " dependence", it is individuals choosing to pool their resources for the common good.

The government is not a remote third entity, it is us, put in place and removeable by us, there to work for us, not to just sit around taking a salary while we struggle alone. The Scandanavian countries are very advanced in this respect. Do you consider them to be "too dependent" and if so what negative fallout have they experienced?

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Old Nov 4th 2019, 2:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
What does "not good for self reliance" actually mean? Give me an example of what you are talking about.

This looks like the classic US/UK divide on what government should do. In the UK, and most European countries, we consider that our elected governments are there to work for us, and that their responsibilities include using both our constitutional and legal systems, and the money that we all put in the common pool (tax), to bring about common goals which cannot be achieved through individuals acting alone. Health care is one of those things, as is education. That is not an absence of "self reliance" or " dependence", it is individuals choosing to pool their resources for the common good.

The government is not a remote third entity, it is us, put in place and removeable by us, there to work for us, not to just sit around taking a salary while we struggle alone. The Scandanavian countries are very advanced in this respect. Do you consider them to be "too dependent" and if so what negative fallout have they experienced?
Perhaps they're referring to the bone-idle workshy feckless ones who bang out kids they can't afford expecting the rest of us to pay for raising them whilst they laze around all day on the PS2 before popping out on the rob for a bit of extra cash?
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Perhaps they're referring to the bone-idle workshy feckless ones who bang out kids they can't afford expecting the rest of us to pay for raising them whilst they laze around all day on the PS2 before popping out on the rob for a bit of extra cash?
Careful - it's that sort of talk that gets you proposed and seconded as a Tory candidate in a key marginal in a depressed area.
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Careful - it's that sort of talk that gets you proposed and seconded as a Tory candidate in a key marginal in a depressed area.
Isn't every area depressed these days? Certainly seems that way.
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I think Zone 2's doing OK
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Originally Posted by mikelincs View Post
The real reason is that Swinson has a 'party' consisting of less than 10 MPs. she also has a number of people who have joined her via several other parties after losing their own. If you are going on numbers of MPs then Nicola Sturgeon shoud be invited, she has more than Swinson. Swinson has turned the Lib-Dems into a yellow version of the Tory party with a manifesto that is so similar, so it would mean Jeremy would be against Johnson and Johnson-lite.
Yes! but that's entirely the point.They should ALL be up there on the TV--Its funny how the media never bothered about Farage's lack of status .He was invited to everything and anything. From Andrew Marr to the opening of a packet of crisps on Goggle Box
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Perhaps they're referring to the bone-idle workshy feckless ones who bang out kids they can't afford expecting the rest of us to pay for raising them whilst they laze around all day on the PS2 before popping out on the rob for a bit of extra cash?

Yes dear.

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Yes! but that's entirely the point.They should ALL be up there on the TV--Its funny how the media never bothered about Farage's lack of status .He was invited to everything and anything. From Andrew Marr to the opening of a packet of crisps on Goggle Box
You have to realise that at the moment the BBC stands for Biased Broadcasting company. ITV has asked Swinson for theirs, don't forget it's the BBC who asking people NOT to plotisice the NHS, because they know the Tories are on an extremely sticky wicket on the NHS.
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You don't have to, it's just a Tory activist having a go. QT is full of them nowadays.
Hope that’s true. It’ll make a nice change from years of being stuffed full of Momentum activists.

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I'm a bit surprised a the choice of youtube uploader. Usually it's just Paulry posting Turning Point videos.
It’s a clip from an episode of ‘Question Time’ which was a BBC production the last time I checked.
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Originally Posted by Annetje View Post
You've been offered another expat job ? Well done !
Always good to see people being optimistic about the UK's future
No, but I can always start looking. A country can only be as good as the people running it allow it to be. If Corbyn and chums want to turn the UK into Venezuela then I won’t be hanging around.

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Originally Posted by BritInParis View Post
It’s a clip from an episode of ‘Question Time’ which was a BBC production the last time I checked.
Yes, but not normally the sort of thing that one would come across. I mean, what does one do, search Youtube for Question Time clips for something one might like to post on a different site or search particular websites where one knows that videos making a certain point are hosted?

Of course one might come across it because someone with some connection to such a site spreads it around. Like Paulry
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Yes, but not normally the sort of thing that one would come across. I mean, what does one do, search Youtube for Question Time clips for something one might like to post on a different site or search particular websites where one knows that videos making a certain point are hosted?

Of course one might come across it because someone with some connection to such a site spreads it around. Like Paulry
Blame YouTube’s algorithms. I watch a lot of political videos amongst others so it recommended that one the evening I posted it as it was pertinent to the discussion at hand. It might also just be Paulry’s fault
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Originally Posted by BritInParis View Post
Blame YouTube’s algorithms. I watch a lot of political videos amongst others so it recommended that one the evening I posted it as it was pertinent to the discussion at hand. It might also just be Paulry’s fault

Fair enough.
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