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The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
#211
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
Because those 4 million votes counted for nothing, the system saw to that and the left were overjoyed, at that part of the result at least. UKIPpers calling for proportional representation were swiftly told to button it and deal with the result. Now the boot's on the other foot isn't it?
Also, Russell Brand predicted a revolution in politics. I guess we are at the beginning of it. On a lighter note, I remember when Ireland used to win the Eurovision song contest without even trying. Then we couldn't win it for the life of us. So, we threw in Jedward as a way to join the 'camp brigade'. Hopefully the DNC don't follow that lead.
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Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
Maybe comments like 'Mexicans aren't sending their best'. Look, we'll go back and forth about whether Donald Trump is racist for the next four years. Do you also think he's not chauvinistic?
Hi choice of words are very important. His supporters have no grounds to think his words are just words and to not take him literally. People who didn't vote for him rightfully didn't see a need to take him seriously as they had no idea just how far against Clinton America was/is. The DNC had the numbers to think the same.
Also, don't assume that I think border control is racist. I don't. But did Trump take out a full page ad on the the Italian mafia or the hundreds of thousands of illegal Irish immigrants? Border control isn't merely about Mexicans or Muslims.
But the biggest problem I see with Donald Trump is the fact that if he can't be taken literally, no-one knows what he stands for. And if he has to be taken seriously, he'll run the country like a dictator. All of you who are against communism, I can't see how this decision brings you closer to a non communist world.
(btw, just to clarify for the audience who like to call some of us 'west haters', I'm not a communist)
Hi choice of words are very important. His supporters have no grounds to think his words are just words and to not take him literally. People who didn't vote for him rightfully didn't see a need to take him seriously as they had no idea just how far against Clinton America was/is. The DNC had the numbers to think the same.
Also, don't assume that I think border control is racist. I don't. But did Trump take out a full page ad on the the Italian mafia or the hundreds of thousands of illegal Irish immigrants? Border control isn't merely about Mexicans or Muslims.
But the biggest problem I see with Donald Trump is the fact that if he can't be taken literally, no-one knows what he stands for. And if he has to be taken seriously, he'll run the country like a dictator. All of you who are against communism, I can't see how this decision brings you closer to a non communist world.
(btw, just to clarify for the audience who like to call some of us 'west haters', I'm not a communist)
Is he chauvinistic ? Some people would see that as a strength , "America First".
As far as his words time will tell. I agree he didn't during the election choose his words carefully. And I agree there seemed little talk from either right or left about all the illegals that simply over-stayed their visas.
I deal with lots of illegals , helping some of them with translations or advice, and others on a social basis. Being for border control and reducing immigration can be a valid position that has nothing to do with racism.
As far as Muslims one look at Sweden, or the various terrorist attacks in Europe and US, it would suggest to err on the side of caution. In any case Muslims aren't a race, so again I fail to see how his policy would be considered racist. Or as a practical matter banning Muslims could be implemented for Muslims holding European passports. More than one Trump supporter has told me they don't expect him to implement everything, but that he would put American interests first. But putting a ban in place until acceptable vetting procedures in place on those from regions that sponsor or harbor terrorists is a security and not a race issue.
Last edited by morpeth; Nov 11th 2016 at 11:01 pm.
#213
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Well Mexico isn't sending their best. Just a fact . Most are unskilled and very low education, even the Spanish knowledge of some crossing the border is very low, and besides my own observation better educated Mexicans I know say the same thing. Sure the way Trump phrased things was inappropriate, but his reasons for border control certainly aren't racist.
Is he chauvinistic ? Some people would see that as a strength , "America First".
As far as his words time will tell. I agree he didn't during the election choose his words carefully. And I agree there seemed little talk from either right or left about all the illegals that simply over-stayed their visas.
I deal with lots of illegals , helping some of them with translations or advice, and others on a social basis. Being for border control and reducing immigration can be a valid position that has nothing to do with racism.
As far as Muslims one look at Sweden, or the various terrorist attacks in Europe and US, it would suggest to err on the side of caution. In any case Muslims aren't a race, so again I fail to see how his policy would be considered racist. Or as a practical matter banning Muslims could be implemented for Muslims holding European passports. More than one Trump supporter has told me they don't expect him to implement everything, but that he would put American interests first. But putting a ban in place until acceptable vetting procedures in place on those from regions that sponsor or harbor terrorists is a security and not a race issue.
Is he chauvinistic ? Some people would see that as a strength , "America First".
As far as his words time will tell. I agree he didn't during the election choose his words carefully. And I agree there seemed little talk from either right or left about all the illegals that simply over-stayed their visas.
I deal with lots of illegals , helping some of them with translations or advice, and others on a social basis. Being for border control and reducing immigration can be a valid position that has nothing to do with racism.
As far as Muslims one look at Sweden, or the various terrorist attacks in Europe and US, it would suggest to err on the side of caution. In any case Muslims aren't a race, so again I fail to see how his policy would be considered racist. Or as a practical matter banning Muslims could be implemented for Muslims holding European passports. More than one Trump supporter has told me they don't expect him to implement everything, but that he would put American interests first. But putting a ban in place until acceptable vetting procedures in place on those from regions that sponsor or harbor terrorists is a security and not a race issue.
Ok, when I said chauvinistic, I wan't referring to his 'America is the greatest' view and I think you know that.
Trump didn't choose his words carefully and seemed to attract anger and violence all the way along his campaign. Will he polish up and be a better speaker whilst president? Who knows, but I doubt it.
It's still amazing to me that people see him as a qualified person to be US president when he has been nothing but selfish, narcissistic and arrogant. He didn't even apologise for the hot mic incident.
#214
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
Maybe comments like 'Mexicans aren't sending their best'. Look, we'll go back and forth about whether Donald Trump is racist for the next four years. Do you also think he's not chauvinistic?
Hi choice of words are very important. His supporters have no grounds to think his words are just words and to not take him literally. People who didn't vote for him rightfully didn't see a need to take him seriously as they had no idea just how far against Clinton America was/is. The DNC had the numbers to think the same.
Also, don't assume that I think border control is racist. I don't. But did Trump take out a full page ad on the the Italian mafia or the hundreds of thousands of illegal Irish immigrants? Border control isn't merely about Mexicans or Muslims.
But the biggest problem I see with Donald Trump is the fact that if he can't be taken literally, no-one knows what he stands for. And if he has to be taken seriously, he'll run the country like a dictator. All of you who are against communism, I can't see how this decision brings you closer to a non communist world.
(btw, just to clarify for the audience who like to call some of us 'west haters', I'm not a communist)
Hi choice of words are very important. His supporters have no grounds to think his words are just words and to not take him literally. People who didn't vote for him rightfully didn't see a need to take him seriously as they had no idea just how far against Clinton America was/is. The DNC had the numbers to think the same.
Also, don't assume that I think border control is racist. I don't. But did Trump take out a full page ad on the the Italian mafia or the hundreds of thousands of illegal Irish immigrants? Border control isn't merely about Mexicans or Muslims.
But the biggest problem I see with Donald Trump is the fact that if he can't be taken literally, no-one knows what he stands for. And if he has to be taken seriously, he'll run the country like a dictator. All of you who are against communism, I can't see how this decision brings you closer to a non communist world.
(btw, just to clarify for the audience who like to call some of us 'west haters', I'm not a communist)
Never take any politician's words literally.
Rule No. 2
Refer to rule No. 1
Last edited by Alfresco; Nov 12th 2016 at 12:35 am.
#215
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
The problem with that in this case is that Trump doesn't have a track record in politics. He does have a track record of ignorance and greed. His words in this campaign reflected that too. So if he can't be taken literally, he shouldn't even get to run. If people have no idea which side he is on and only know what he is against, how can anyone make an informed vote?
#216
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
The problem with that in this case is that Trump doesn't have a track record in politics. He does have a track record of ignorance and greed. His words in this campaign reflected that too. So if he can't be taken literally, he shouldn't even get to run. If people have no idea which side he is on and only know what he is against, how can anyone make an informed vote?
Not being taken literally is not a condition of not being able to run for president in the US.
If voters only know what he is against, they can pretty much guesstimate what he is for or neutral on.
Researching both Hillary and Donald on Google comes up with heaps on what they are both for and against respectively. Most people can research enough to make an informed decision on who they would vote for.
#217
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
All the while they are ignorant and persist in maintaining that ignorance and still voting, there will be no change.
Seriously, this wasn't a complicated one - Trump was an avowed incompetent, arrogant, ignorant, lying, PoS - nobody could not know what he was, and what he will actually do. Yet they voted for him.
You keep saying 'engage with them' - but the evidence is in. They would prefer a comforting lie to the truth (as it seems would you). You could engage till you are blue in the face; against that, rationality and evidence cannot win.
And my point was - it's only going to get worse. Despite Beoz's grasping a straws, there's going to be lots of redundancies, unemployment will rise. The axis of stupidity will not be able to deal with it, let alone develop a plan to address it. Like climate change, they will try to talk it into non-existence, and like climate change, the frog will boil.
Seriously, this wasn't a complicated one - Trump was an avowed incompetent, arrogant, ignorant, lying, PoS - nobody could not know what he was, and what he will actually do. Yet they voted for him.
You keep saying 'engage with them' - but the evidence is in. They would prefer a comforting lie to the truth (as it seems would you). You could engage till you are blue in the face; against that, rationality and evidence cannot win.
And my point was - it's only going to get worse. Despite Beoz's grasping a straws, there's going to be lots of redundancies, unemployment will rise. The axis of stupidity will not be able to deal with it, let alone develop a plan to address it. Like climate change, they will try to talk it into non-existence, and like climate change, the frog will boil.
#218
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Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
All the while they are ignorant and persist in maintaining that ignorance and still voting, there will be no change.
Seriously, this wasn't a complicated one - Trump was an avowed incompetent, arrogant, ignorant, lying, PoS - nobody could not know what he was, and what he will actually do. Yet they voted for him.
You keep saying 'engage with them' - but the evidence is in. They would prefer a comforting lie to the truth (as it seems would you). You could engage till you are blue in the face; against that, rationality and evidence cannot win.
And my point was - it's only going to get worse. Despite Beoz's grasping a straws, there's going to be lots of redundancies, unemployment will rise. The axis of stupidity will not be able to deal with it, let alone develop a plan to address it. Like climate change, they will try to talk it into non-existence, and like climate change, the frog will boil.
All the while they are ignorant and persist in maintaining that ignorance and still voting, there will be no change.
Seriously, this wasn't a complicated one - Trump was an avowed incompetent, arrogant, ignorant, lying, PoS - nobody could not know what he was, and what he will actually do. Yet they voted for him.
You keep saying 'engage with them' - but the evidence is in. They would prefer a comforting lie to the truth (as it seems would you). You could engage till you are blue in the face; against that, rationality and evidence cannot win.
And my point was - it's only going to get worse. Despite Beoz's grasping a straws, there's going to be lots of redundancies, unemployment will rise. The axis of stupidity will not be able to deal with it, let alone develop a plan to address it. Like climate change, they will try to talk it into non-existence, and like climate change, the frog will boil.
Last edited by scrubbedexpat098; Nov 12th 2016 at 1:44 am.
#219
Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
And no, I didn't create them. Quite the opposite. Trying to push the blame onto 'liberals' is another of those cons of the far right that the thick keep falling for.
Washington Post has a nice bit on how trump's lies have played the voters, and how the people he's appointing to his 'transition' team point up what he really is. Guess what, the EPA head is a climate denier.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ou-got-conned/
#220
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Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
You are the one pointing to them as racist, I'm just saying that they are stupid and ignorant. Stupid for falling for the con, and ignorant of what the policies and evidence actually were (in other words, unsuitable to vote).
And no, I didn't create them. Quite the opposite. Trying to push the blame onto 'liberals' is another of those cons of the far right that the thick keep falling for.
Washington Post has a nice bit on how trump's lies have played the voters, and how the people he's appointing to his 'transition' team point up what he really is. Guess what, the EPA head is a climate denier.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ou-got-conned/
And no, I didn't create them. Quite the opposite. Trying to push the blame onto 'liberals' is another of those cons of the far right that the thick keep falling for.
Washington Post has a nice bit on how trump's lies have played the voters, and how the people he's appointing to his 'transition' team point up what he really is. Guess what, the EPA head is a climate denier.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ou-got-conned/
#221
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Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
You are the one pointing to them as racist, I'm just saying that they are stupid and ignorant. Stupid for falling for the con, and ignorant of what the policies and evidence actually were (in other words, unsuitable to vote).
And no, I didn't create them. Quite the opposite. Trying to push the blame onto 'liberals' is another of those cons of the far right that the thick keep falling for.
Washington Post has a nice bit on how trump's lies have played the voters, and how the people he's appointing to his 'transition' team point up what he really is. Guess what, the EPA head is a climate denier.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ou-got-conned/
And no, I didn't create them. Quite the opposite. Trying to push the blame onto 'liberals' is another of those cons of the far right that the thick keep falling for.
Washington Post has a nice bit on how trump's lies have played the voters, and how the people he's appointing to his 'transition' team point up what he really is. Guess what, the EPA head is a climate denier.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ou-got-conned/
#223
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Keep focussed. We are all aware of what he said. The question here is, which policy is racist?
Now building a wall is a matter of border protection. The US along with every country has a degree of border protection. Some have the luxury of a natural border like a sea, some have neighbours who are happy not to cross at will, some have neighbours where they are allowed to cross at will.
If you can't control a border which is long and isolated in many parts, especially when that border delivers society crippling drugs along with humans, there aren't really many other options available.
I'm actually surprised, given the drug super highway from central and south America, that the Mexican US border doesn't have a wall already.
Now building a wall is a matter of border protection. The US along with every country has a degree of border protection. Some have the luxury of a natural border like a sea, some have neighbours who are happy not to cross at will, some have neighbours where they are allowed to cross at will.
If you can't control a border which is long and isolated in many parts, especially when that border delivers society crippling drugs along with humans, there aren't really many other options available.
I'm actually surprised, given the drug super highway from central and south America, that the Mexican US border doesn't have a wall already.
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Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
Thanks for the update but don't believe that is any in Trumps policies but feel free to point one out if I have overlooked it.
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Well nuff said really, see you previous post about ignorant and stupid.