TMI.


SHH!

It is not a matter of birthplace it is a matter of personal self identity.

These Australian people do not call themselves Australian, do not have loyalty to Australia and in many cases outright HATE Australia. They do not speak English at home and many of them have served in their parents military.

I know 4 Serbian descended 'Australians' who volunteered to serve in the Serbian military when they was no requirement for them to do so. WHY? Because they are SERBIAN. If you called then Australian they would break your nose.

There is no racial/ethnic unity in Australia, there are tribes. The dominant one is the Anglo-Celtic one and this is the mainstream face of Australia. Do not blame them for the actions of the other tribes that actively seek to undermine and attack Australia. Those who despise Australia and Anglo society.

So which tribe was the primary perpetrator at the Cronulla riots then?

Anglo-Celtic with strong assistance from Polynesians, many of them being Maori.

However the even more violent counter attack which involved stabbings and attempted rape(maybe successful in some cases?) was completely the domain of Muslim Lebanese.

yes, of course it was. Let's hope those good old "Anglo Celtic" Aussies can finally put an end to those nasty Muslim Lebanese thugs this Australia day, hey?

I take it you know different then?

You dont live in Western Sydney, what would you know?

Did you go to Bankstown Public High School? Did your sister get gangraped? Did you get a knife in your back?

Have you been spat on and bottles thrown at you walking along the main streets in Bankstown?

No, you are living in QLD which has a fraction of the ethnic and religious conflict that Western Sydney has.

Trust me... he thinks he knows it bloody all when anything to do with ethnic tensions is brought up. You could be in for a long argument. Assuming you can be bothered to humour him.

hit the nail on the head there mate,
you should post that on the other forums that are going around in circles on the issue of racism.

anyone whos been or had kids in an inner city schools will know that the kids all stop in there own tribal groups.

i have personally got out of a few scrapes by been a pom and not an aussie, (islanders in manly looking to do some skip bashing) and (lebanese workmates when working in sydney)

Granted my sister wasn't gangraped, that is awful and if that has happened to you I am very very sorry to hear that.
But I have had a knife pulled on me in London, litterally on my doorstep as I was going into my flat by a man of Afro-Carribean origin. Does that mean I spend the rest of my life racially prejudicing people of the same origin. Certainly not.

No, but I have walked home from Sunnybank Train Station late at night before and had exactly that done to me by a bunch of people from varying ethnic backgrounds. Do I then pigeonhole those people based on their race? No, but in fairness I probably pigeonholed them based on their class, or lack there of.

Those are all awful things. But is the way to address this really to go out there on almost Neo-Nazi style counter attacks? It sounds like you are justifying the actions of the Aussie Pride Gangs in doing so

The aftermath investigation by police showed that most of the Aussie Pride gangs that were involved in the riots actually had no idea what sparked it. There were heaps of Chinese whisper style rumours about that day when the life guards were beaten up, some as proposterous that the life guards saved the life of a muslim woman and began giving her mouth to mouth resus, when a bunch of "Lebanese guys" began beating them up for "disrespecting them". This was found to be the most common reason the "Aussie Pride Gang" gave for the retaliation. This was of course completely and utterly incorrect. The NSW Polive investigation actually showed that the life guards were off duty, not in uniform and began a verbal slanging match with some local "Lebanese" boys. A fight broke out and the off-duty life guards came off worst sparking the rest of the riots.

My point is, much of that week's events were misreported both by the media and also the perpetrators and this lead to the rest of the events. So your first question about "you don't live in Western Sydney, so what would you know?" is somewhat valid, however as shown from the above police investigation most of the people actually involved didn't seem to actually know what was going on. Therefore we need to be careful when claiming events that took place without actually having proven facts in front of you, especially when the subject is as explosive as race.

Surprise surprise. When there is an opportunity to justify racial vilification or even homophobia iamthecreaturefromurbigotryanus is in the middle of it

Interesting... show me where I tried to justify anything?

What I actually commented on was you. "he thinks he knows it bloody all when anything to do with ethnic tensions is brought up"

I didn't see anything in your previous post to change that opinion.

Well given that my degree in European Studies, majoring in Yugoslav Politics meant that the majority of my studies focused on 1930s Europe and the various right wing factions in power and attempting to gain power at the time, as well as having to understand the varying degrees of ethnic tensions in the Balkans over the last 600 years, this has lead to me having a natural interest in world affairs, especially in the domain of ethnic and tribal tensions. Naturally, this interest coupled with my degree research gives me an above average understanding of these things around the world. I certainly do not pretend to know everything, but I will show more interest in this domain than the average man on the street.

If you want to then try and justify your statement from the above then that is your choice. All I know is that my belief is based off history and what we can learn from it. Violence has proven that it does not put a stop to anything, it actually accentuates the problem and only delays the next bout of trouble (Kosovo and Serbia being a very topical example of this). Tit for tat attacks will go on forever unless more diplomatic measures are taken.

Ignoring all the self congratulatory back slapping, if your degree should have tought you anything at all, it is that man is tribal. Always has been, always will be. That's ALL that history has tought us. The only time diplomacy brings anything close to a 'lasting settlement' is when one side or the other is victorious and imposes that settlement.

This "why can't we all just get along" mantra is pure fantasy.

I'm curious to know, has this kind of 'crowd trouble' ever been experienced at tournaments outside of Australia? I can't think of any.