scottishcelts

He ended up with a 1st class honours degree so was worth it in the end but we had nothing for 5 years and he lectured in the college when he could but we just couldn't make ends meet.

Good luck with your kids, our kids for sure will be fully encouraged to go as early as possible to avoid the situation we were in.

framac67

I never called you an alien. Your views as I see them are advocating Tebbits philosophy. The working classes are lazy bast**ds who need to get on their bike. Sure, there are lazy parents but they are a minority and much of the underclass you refer to are remnants from Thatchers policies still having an effect nearly 30 years on.

Look at Alan Sugar, he was working class and now he's a millionaire. For every Alan Sugar, there are millions who dont make it and it isn't always their fault. Circumstances and events can all play its part and dare I say a large slice of luck.

I mention the royals because if ever there was a fu**ed-up family then that is it. Yet every one of them rises to the top of their profession.

JackTheLad

Thats the original point I was trying to make. There is free, and generally very good education for every child. But it is the parents job to make them take it seriously and work at it.

It all comes back to the 'can't be arsed' category of people. They don't check their kids school records, they don't care where their kids are, or if they've done their homework.

These type of parents should never be allowed to have kids.

There got the thread right back on topic.

JTL

paulry

I'm yet to meet a happy long term Alfa Romeo owner

paulry

scottishcelts

scottishcelts

Is it cos they is shit?

JackTheLad

As I said Duncan Ballantyne and Alan Sugar are just examples of thousands who do make it. There are thousands of multi millionaires who've gone bankrupt too. They got too ambitious.

I'll leave it with you with what I said earlier, if everyone worked hard and worked smart, I'd have no problem.

But I know lots who don't do either.

JTL

gobbyjock

If the kid is gifted but disengaged,the parents uninterested what then? Mind you going to Uni does not necessarily mean your kid will be a success anyway. At the same time failure to go to Uni doesn`t mean you can`t be successful.
I can remember (before I had my daughter) looking at some people I knew and thinking "If those idiots can be parents how hard can it be?" I soon found out - sitting in hospital at 3am after giving birth and thinking "Oh sh*t!"
You don`t have to be a genius to be a good parent but I do wish kids came with some sort of instruction manual.
Intelligence, wealth, success, whats wrong with just being happy and hoping your kid grows into some sort of decent human being rather than pushing them to be the next Steven Hawkins.
As for sterilising the scum why not make it 1 strike and your out irrespective of wealth or class, after all a druggie is still a druggie even if he does own a porsche.
Probably rambling but just my thoughts.

DunRoaminTheUK

With the amount of beer that bogans seem to drink I think that they're doing a perfectly good job of sterilising themselves (albeit slowly).

scottishcelts

hic

Thydney

When I left school there were few jobs, you got a job and you worked damned hard at keeping it that doesn't mean that there was an opportunity to work smart but it also didn't mean that I should have been sterilised.

My son has an IQ that puts him in the top 5% of the human race but has really bad dyslexia which means that he gets low marks in written tests.

Hawkins has defective genes do we sterilise/murder the two of them?

I'm with Framac the next time you visit earth give me a knock

willmore

Free education - how are you defining this and where is this available? The education system in canada is paid by taxpayers whether you have children in the system or not. At the university level, tuition is paid by the parents (students). There is some government funding, but more and more is being put on the taxpayer.

Not every child is university matter. That is why there is such diversity in the school system, once the kid gets to the high school level. There are always going to be kids that are motivated to do well, and those that arent. In many cases they are a product of their environment. In many others, you will find kids who have grown up in the "lower class" have been able to do well for themselves.

As far as irrresponsible parents - you will find them at every social class. It isnt just the poor or lower class that are irresponsible parents.

willmore

You are being short-sighted and narrow-minded. There will always be those that need the social safety net - to provide and protect them. Facism was defeated during ww2- only the strong have the right to live. What type of society are we and how dare we decide who has the right to live or to die....

Geelong Gent

Plenty of first time owners

Like handbags get used once then stay in the wardrobe/garage