son attacked
Jun 24th 2007 | 7:53 pm
#31
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Re: son attacked
I think its already started, called British Expats that makes most of us (and you) immigrants
Sorry about your son, but as others have said same shite happens here, in nice areas too, plenty of outrage about the jail sentences (or lack of them) handed out as well.
As for leaving kids behind, painful but having around $3500 per person in the bank will cover a last minute flight back.
Last edited by jad n rich; Jun 24th 2007 at 7:56 pm.
Jun 24th 2007 | 8:24 pm
#32
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Re: son attacked
Ourhoughts are with all your family members.It is so traumatic to be a victim (or a relative of a victim) of crime.
I am a Court Usher in a Magistrates Court. It is so frustrating watching the regular little oiks pass through, making a mockery of the law. I sit and watch CCTV evidence day in, day out, it won't necessarily lead to a conviction I'm afraid.
My step-daughter has recently been terribly betrayed by her best friend (both school girls) involving a mobile phone video of her being blue toothed around at least three schools (as far as we know) and the possibility that it has reached the internet.
This was reported to the Police almost two weeks ago, yet still the youths implicated have not been spoken to and therefore obviously think they are still free to circulate the offending video. It would have made more sense to bring them in, in the very least to scare them and hopefully make them think twice about continuing with their unacceptable behaviour. I don't think any of them have stopped to think about how my step daughter feels.
I know crome happens everywhere, but I get so fed up with watching people attending Court, claiming to need an interpreter (although they have been able to get by and make a living) then if they get a punishment involving the probation service, they still require an interpreter - this all gets billed to the tax payer - and the original crime is generally driving uninsured, so whoever the damage has been caused to stands to lose all round!
I am a Court Usher in a Magistrates Court. It is so frustrating watching the regular little oiks pass through, making a mockery of the law. I sit and watch CCTV evidence day in, day out, it won't necessarily lead to a conviction I'm afraid.
My step-daughter has recently been terribly betrayed by her best friend (both school girls) involving a mobile phone video of her being blue toothed around at least three schools (as far as we know) and the possibility that it has reached the internet.
This was reported to the Police almost two weeks ago, yet still the youths implicated have not been spoken to and therefore obviously think they are still free to circulate the offending video. It would have made more sense to bring them in, in the very least to scare them and hopefully make them think twice about continuing with their unacceptable behaviour. I don't think any of them have stopped to think about how my step daughter feels.
I know crome happens everywhere, but I get so fed up with watching people attending Court, claiming to need an interpreter (although they have been able to get by and make a living) then if they get a punishment involving the probation service, they still require an interpreter - this all gets billed to the tax payer - and the original crime is generally driving uninsured, so whoever the damage has been caused to stands to lose all round!
Jun 24th 2007 | 8:49 pm
#33
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Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Newcastle , NSW
Re: son attacked
Thanks for all the replies and kind words.
You would think nothing had happened if you spoke to my son he just is not aware of the seriousness of what could have been, or what we went through saturday night.To hold your sons friend and ask him if my son is on drugs or has he taken anything is scary as you never know, im glad to say he is not into drugs.
I had to tell my son this lad is out on bail and in our town (which is more like a village with its market every saturday being the focal point of the week)
and to stay away from him and not to go after him. I dont want him with a criminal record or being hurt.
sure there is trouble in all walks of life but i do think England needs to sort its self out. the criminals or thugs do seem to have more rights than law abyding person
yes i used the word foreigner as i dont know if he is portugese polish or lithuanian we have a large influx of migrants in our town. Sure we could have another forum all about this subject of immigrants but thats not for me to start.
I am just trying to put across how upsetting it is when you 5 mins away let alone 24+ hours away. we will be flying out in December and hopefully he will follow. We will be putting money aside for flights back just in case something happens to close family. i Have read some very sad tales about not being able to get back and can now relate a little on this you never know whats round the corner.
Its a big step and its getting closer and so looking forward to it.
Thanks
Skeaty
You would think nothing had happened if you spoke to my son he just is not aware of the seriousness of what could have been, or what we went through saturday night.To hold your sons friend and ask him if my son is on drugs or has he taken anything is scary as you never know, im glad to say he is not into drugs.
I had to tell my son this lad is out on bail and in our town (which is more like a village with its market every saturday being the focal point of the week)
and to stay away from him and not to go after him. I dont want him with a criminal record or being hurt.
sure there is trouble in all walks of life but i do think England needs to sort its self out. the criminals or thugs do seem to have more rights than law abyding person
yes i used the word foreigner as i dont know if he is portugese polish or lithuanian we have a large influx of migrants in our town. Sure we could have another forum all about this subject of immigrants but thats not for me to start.
I am just trying to put across how upsetting it is when you 5 mins away let alone 24+ hours away. we will be flying out in December and hopefully he will follow. We will be putting money aside for flights back just in case something happens to close family. i Have read some very sad tales about not being able to get back and can now relate a little on this you never know whats round the corner.
Its a big step and its getting closer and so looking forward to it.
Thanks
Skeaty
I'm glad your son is ok but I totally understand what you mean about it making you anxious about moving away.
I think putting money aside for urgent flights back is a good idea but hopefully you'll never need to use it.
Jun 24th 2007 | 9:13 pm
#34
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Re: son attacked
What an awful thing to have happened. Glad you son is OK.
Jun 24th 2007 | 9:24 pm
#35
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Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,089
From: Melbourne,Australia
Re: son attacked
You're right, it isn't. Crime levels here are similar to the UK. In some areas they are worse. Justice system is failing just like the UK. It's a problem that is not unique to Britain. Don't use crime as a reason to emigrate. You might end up being disappointed. Come for the pull of Australia and not for the perceived failings of the UK.
Jun 24th 2007 | 9:35 pm
#36
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Re: son attacked
that is s**t!! really sorry for you!!!
a similar thing happened to my brother after a night out in derby. these scum bags should have tougher sentences. if they'ed killed someone it would be look upon as serious but just because they don't go quite that far its ok:curse:
xxx
a similar thing happened to my brother after a night out in derby. these scum bags should have tougher sentences. if they'ed killed someone it would be look upon as serious but just because they don't go quite that far its ok:curse:
xxx
Jun 24th 2007 | 9:38 pm
#37
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From: Springfield lakes, Brisbane
Re: son attacked
Ourhoughts are with all your family members.It is so traumatic to be a victim (or a relative of a victim) of crime.
I am a Court Usher in a Magistrates Court. It is so frustrating watching the regular little oiks pass through, making a mockery of the law. I sit and watch CCTV evidence day in, day out, it won't necessarily lead to a conviction I'm afraid.
My step-daughter has recently been terribly betrayed by her best friend (both school girls) involving a mobile phone video of her being blue toothed around at least three schools (as far as we know) and the possibility that it has reached the internet.
This was reported to the Police almost two weeks ago, yet still the youths implicated have not been spoken to and therefore obviously think they are still free to circulate the offending video. It would have made more sense to bring them in, in the very least to scare them and hopefully make them think twice about continuing with their unacceptable behaviour. I don't think any of them have stopped to think about how my step daughter feels.
I know crome happens everywhere, but I get so fed up with watching people attending Court, claiming to need an interpreter (although they have been able to get by and make a living) then if they get a punishment involving the probation service, they still require an interpreter - this all gets billed to the tax payer - and the original crime is generally driving uninsured, so whoever the damage has been caused to stands to lose all round!
I am a Court Usher in a Magistrates Court. It is so frustrating watching the regular little oiks pass through, making a mockery of the law. I sit and watch CCTV evidence day in, day out, it won't necessarily lead to a conviction I'm afraid.
My step-daughter has recently been terribly betrayed by her best friend (both school girls) involving a mobile phone video of her being blue toothed around at least three schools (as far as we know) and the possibility that it has reached the internet.
This was reported to the Police almost two weeks ago, yet still the youths implicated have not been spoken to and therefore obviously think they are still free to circulate the offending video. It would have made more sense to bring them in, in the very least to scare them and hopefully make them think twice about continuing with their unacceptable behaviour. I don't think any of them have stopped to think about how my step daughter feels.
I know crome happens everywhere, but I get so fed up with watching people attending Court, claiming to need an interpreter (although they have been able to get by and make a living) then if they get a punishment involving the probation service, they still require an interpreter - this all gets billed to the tax payer - and the original crime is generally driving uninsured, so whoever the damage has been caused to stands to lose all round!
they wonder why we take the law in to our own hands justice is some times a joke. and yes before the police have something to say on this i know you work hard within the boundry of the law and you dont have enough powers or enough police men and women to carry out all you would like to and that your hands are tied and then after all your hard work the courts just slap em on the wrists and send them on there way.
I have a lot of time for the police its a job i would not want to do myself to much red tape.
If you are from another country and you comit a seriouse crime you should be expelled from that country wherever you come from or to.
Jun 24th 2007 | 9:47 pm
#38
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Re: son attacked
Hope your son is better, and you are all ok.
Jun 24th 2007 | 9:51 pm
#39
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Re: son attacked
What a terrible thing to happen and what a shock for you. I hope your son is feeling better soon and that the other guy gets whats coming to him.
Lynn xx
Lynn xx
Jun 24th 2007 | 10:39 pm
#40
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Re: son attacked
It is a lot of bollocks, to be honest. The majority of crime happens in cities. Same the planet over. So if you want to live somewhere where there's less crime, then don't live in a city. I've lived in London, Birmingham, Bath, New York, San Francisco and Paris. Most violent of those was Paris, without a shadow of a doubt. When I'd had a skin-full of city living, I moved to the country and I'd never do 'built up' again.
I live in the sort of sleepy touristy backwater that would drive your average high-octane Londoner mental .. but it suits me and mine down to the ground. That said, there was an outbreak of crime last month. Somebody stole three outboard motors from boats at the caravan park. The problem, so I read in the little local newsletter, was resolved without police intervention when someone 'in the know' had a 'word' with the offending party and the motors were all recovered.
I live in the sort of sleepy touristy backwater that would drive your average high-octane Londoner mental .. but it suits me and mine down to the ground. That said, there was an outbreak of crime last month. Somebody stole three outboard motors from boats at the caravan park. The problem, so I read in the little local newsletter, was resolved without police intervention when someone 'in the know' had a 'word' with the offending party and the motors were all recovered.
I went from a grotty flat wherethe cops turned up on at the block's door to a place where kids walk the 3k from school on their own.
I could afford a better gaff and a better place in Australia. It was well worth the move. We get a few buglaries a year -and its always the same streets- haven't the crims worked it out yet(!)
Jun 25th 2007 | 2:22 am
#41
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Re: son attacked
I'm not following. What are you concerned about affecting your US visa? A criminal conviction? If you have spent less than 5 yrs in jail and are not a convicted drug dealer, torturer or terrorist, part of an organised crime ring, or have been convicted of a crime of, wait for it...'moral turpitude' ( which is just about anything from burglary to shouting obscenities in the street, what a term!), you should be fine. If need be, you can apply for a waiver should your visa be declined.
I'm applying for oz visa 136 and no never been to prison.
I was attacked by 2 guys going to work and i defended myself both ended up in hospital.I had to go guilty cus the law says i should of run off...yeh right and get stabbed in the back,both solicitor and barrister said i wouldn't win case by jury.You tell me how is that right?
From victim to accused...a big joke.
Jun 25th 2007 | 4:36 am
#42
A horse walks into a bar.
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 581
From: Surrey
Re: son attacked
Ourhoughts are with all your family members.It is so traumatic to be a victim (or a relative of a victim) of crime.
I am a Court Usher in a Magistrates Court. It is so frustrating watching the regular little oiks pass through, making a mockery of the law. I sit and watch CCTV evidence day in, day out, it won't necessarily lead to a conviction I'm afraid.
My step-daughter has recently been terribly betrayed by her best friend (both school girls) involving a mobile phone video of her being blue toothed around at least three schools (as far as we know) and the possibility that it has reached the internet.
This was reported to the Police almost two weeks ago, yet still the youths implicated have not been spoken to and therefore obviously think they are still free to circulate the offending video. It would have made more sense to bring them in, in the very least to scare them and hopefully make them think twice about continuing with their unacceptable behaviour. I don't think any of them have stopped to think about how my step daughter feels.
I know crome happens everywhere, but I get so fed up with watching people attending Court, claiming to need an interpreter (although they have been able to get by and make a living) then if they get a punishment involving the probation service, they still require an interpreter - this all gets billed to the tax payer - and the original crime is generally driving uninsured, so whoever the damage has been caused to stands to lose all round!
I am a Court Usher in a Magistrates Court. It is so frustrating watching the regular little oiks pass through, making a mockery of the law. I sit and watch CCTV evidence day in, day out, it won't necessarily lead to a conviction I'm afraid.
My step-daughter has recently been terribly betrayed by her best friend (both school girls) involving a mobile phone video of her being blue toothed around at least three schools (as far as we know) and the possibility that it has reached the internet.
This was reported to the Police almost two weeks ago, yet still the youths implicated have not been spoken to and therefore obviously think they are still free to circulate the offending video. It would have made more sense to bring them in, in the very least to scare them and hopefully make them think twice about continuing with their unacceptable behaviour. I don't think any of them have stopped to think about how my step daughter feels.
I know crome happens everywhere, but I get so fed up with watching people attending Court, claiming to need an interpreter (although they have been able to get by and make a living) then if they get a punishment involving the probation service, they still require an interpreter - this all gets billed to the tax payer - and the original crime is generally driving uninsured, so whoever the damage has been caused to stands to lose all round!
And yes it's shocking that the offenders have not been spoken to, that just goes to show how many other crimes are on each individuals workload.
I have spent my days off worrying about my workload and about the matters I have to deal with as well as feeling guilt towards the victims that the matter is still being investigated months after the incident. So in relation to your quote of you don't think any of them have stopped to think how your step daughter feels, maybe it's a little wide of the mark.
Jun 25th 2007 | 4:43 am
#43
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From: Surrey
Re: son attacked
I hope that your son is recovering and well. Forget justice in Britain - there is none. Not that there is in other countries, we have learnt in Britain to expect justice- it does not exist. Crown Prosecution are a sham - they will 'negate' all evidence, and need '100%' evidence to convict. Who to blame? I don't know - the Justice system is crap for innocents - just look at the number convicted and then released. Its not a police problem - its the whole system.
Until you experience it, you don't realise how bad it is. There is no safety on the streets of britain .Criminals rule and can get away with it.They know that.
My advice is to keep away from trouble. I want to leave Britain - I hope Australia is different - it probably isn't - but at least it is nowhere near the state of Britain.
Keep going with your plans for a new life. Your son will eventaully follow. you can't make him and he won't listen to you. That's the nature of children. You can no more help him by staying, but you can give him something else to think about by going.
Be brave, be strong and go! You deserve a new life. Something about 'let the ball go' and it will bounce back to you! Scary, I know.
I feel for you, I will pray for the right outcome. Pray for me too! Together we can make the good times come!
Karma
x
Until you experience it, you don't realise how bad it is. There is no safety on the streets of britain .Criminals rule and can get away with it.They know that.
My advice is to keep away from trouble. I want to leave Britain - I hope Australia is different - it probably isn't - but at least it is nowhere near the state of Britain.
Keep going with your plans for a new life. Your son will eventaully follow. you can't make him and he won't listen to you. That's the nature of children. You can no more help him by staying, but you can give him something else to think about by going.
Be brave, be strong and go! You deserve a new life. Something about 'let the ball go' and it will bounce back to you! Scary, I know.
I feel for you, I will pray for the right outcome. Pray for me too! Together we can make the good times come!
Karma
x
In relation to Australia being nowhere in the state of Britain as a police officer who is heading out to Perth to do the same job word on the streets from some expat officers is that policing in the UK is better than in Perth. Of course some are happier, the sun shines and the lifestyle change makes them feel good, but policing is the same the world over and all have similar problems.
For example apparently in WA you tend to report people for summons to court, rather than arrest, and many mock the system and have no respect for the law or police, less so than in the UK.
Jun 25th 2007 | 9:27 pm
#44
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Re: son attacked
to russmcp
I meant that I don't think the youths who have caused all the upset have stopped to think how my step-daughter feels.
I always remember reading 'To Kill A Mockingbird' at school and the one line that has always remained with me is ' try climbing around in somebody elses skin for a while just to see how it feels' (empathy) that is something I have always tried to do and something I have passed on to my daughters.
I'm sure the best friend would not have liked her bare form on the shower blue toothed around three schools and possibly viewed by nasty perverts on the internet.
Now, when all youths concerned have returned to school, the police will probably start approaching people and stirring up a hornets nest, now the dust has settled and everyone has accepted the video is 'out there'.
It would have been far better to have a word with them two weeks ago when it happened.
As a Court Usher the only trials I see at a Magistrates Court that the CPS proceed with are 'failing to provide a breath specimen' or 'domestics' where the couples have already made up!! Obviously the more worthwhile ones go to Crown Court.
The point I was trying to make is that CCTV doesn't necessarily secure a conviction because the defence will plead that the colour of the accused socks had something to do with their behaviour if it will get a 'not guilty'.
I meant that I don't think the youths who have caused all the upset have stopped to think how my step-daughter feels.
I always remember reading 'To Kill A Mockingbird' at school and the one line that has always remained with me is ' try climbing around in somebody elses skin for a while just to see how it feels' (empathy) that is something I have always tried to do and something I have passed on to my daughters.
I'm sure the best friend would not have liked her bare form on the shower blue toothed around three schools and possibly viewed by nasty perverts on the internet.
Now, when all youths concerned have returned to school, the police will probably start approaching people and stirring up a hornets nest, now the dust has settled and everyone has accepted the video is 'out there'.
It would have been far better to have a word with them two weeks ago when it happened.
As a Court Usher the only trials I see at a Magistrates Court that the CPS proceed with are 'failing to provide a breath specimen' or 'domestics' where the couples have already made up!! Obviously the more worthwhile ones go to Crown Court.
The point I was trying to make is that CCTV doesn't necessarily secure a conviction because the defence will plead that the colour of the accused socks had something to do with their behaviour if it will get a 'not guilty'.
Jun 26th 2007 | 2:09 am
#45
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Re: son attacked
hope your son is well soon Ems x
