son attacked
Jun 24th 2007 | 10:06 am
#16
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From: Bourenmouth, Dorset.
Re: son attacked
Give it a break mate. As this site is for expats and those moving from the UK it's quite relevant to mention that this sort of crap happens the world over. It's also giving moral support in that it is like saying "it's not just cause you live in the UK that these things happen"
Why not do something constructive and offer a bit of moral support to the OP instead of worrying about/commenting on every keystroke I make?
Why not do something constructive and offer a bit of moral support to the OP instead of worrying about/commenting on every keystroke I make?
Jun 24th 2007 | 10:49 am
#17
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From: Melbourne
Re: son attacked
Actually i think statistically you are more likely to be a victim of violent crime in Australia than the UK....whereas in the UK you are far more likely to be a victim of property crime than here.
No-one should use the perception that the Aus legal system is more victim focussed than the UK as a reason to move here. I can think of two recent cases here in Brisbane where people were found not guilty of manslaughter on the basis that they said they didn't mean to do it. In each case the only provocation for the attacks was verbal.....there was no indication of anyone defending themselves.
No-one should use the perception that the Aus legal system is more victim focussed than the UK as a reason to move here. I can think of two recent cases here in Brisbane where people were found not guilty of manslaughter on the basis that they said they didn't mean to do it. In each case the only provocation for the attacks was verbal.....there was no indication of anyone defending themselves.
Jun 24th 2007 | 11:05 am
#18
Jedi Princess
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,089
From: Melbourne,Australia
Re: son attacked
I'm not following. What are you concerned about affecting your US visa? A criminal conviction? If you have spent less than 5 yrs in jail and are not a convicted drug dealer, torturer or terrorist, part of an organised crime ring, or have been convicted of a crime of, wait for it...'moral turpitude' ( which is just about anything from burglary to shouting obscenities in the street, what a term!), you should be fine. If need be, you can apply for a waiver should your visa be declined.
karma sent 
Jun 24th 2007 | 11:14 am
#20
Lost in BE Cyberspace
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From: Hill overlooking the SE Melbourne suburbs
Re: son attacked
All this ''crime happens everywhere'' misses the point.
If you can afford to move from a rough area to frankly a nicer area in Australia then you may find it ''safer'' or feel safer. (however you define safe)
Parts of some countries probably are ""nicer' than others in other countries.
You'll never hear me knock people for wanting to move away from their area even if they do appear to point the finger at their part of the UK.
Many people get a better life by moving. Nothing to do with crime happening in both countries. People generally don't move from the UK and then set up in a crime hole in Australia, say from inner city Brummie to Dandenong, Melbourne. They tend to better themselves.
Good for them.
If you can afford to move from a rough area to frankly a nicer area in Australia then you may find it ''safer'' or feel safer. (however you define safe)
Parts of some countries probably are ""nicer' than others in other countries.
You'll never hear me knock people for wanting to move away from their area even if they do appear to point the finger at their part of the UK.
Many people get a better life by moving. Nothing to do with crime happening in both countries. People generally don't move from the UK and then set up in a crime hole in Australia, say from inner city Brummie to Dandenong, Melbourne. They tend to better themselves.
Good for them.
Jun 24th 2007 | 12:31 pm
#21
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From: The Shoalhaven, New South Wales, Australia
Re: son attacked
It is a lot of bollocks, to be honest. The majority of crime happens in cities. Same the planet over. So if you want to live somewhere where there's less crime, then don't live in a city. I've lived in London, Birmingham, Bath, New York, San Francisco and Paris. Most violent of those was Paris, without a shadow of a doubt. When I'd had a skin-full of city living, I moved to the country and I'd never do 'built up' again.
I live in the sort of sleepy touristy backwater that would drive your average high-octane Londoner mental .. but it suits me and mine down to the ground. That said, there was an outbreak of crime last month. Somebody stole three outboard motors from boats at the caravan park. The problem, so I read in the little local newsletter, was resolved without police intervention when someone 'in the know' had a 'word' with the offending party and the motors were all recovered.
I live in the sort of sleepy touristy backwater that would drive your average high-octane Londoner mental .. but it suits me and mine down to the ground. That said, there was an outbreak of crime last month. Somebody stole three outboard motors from boats at the caravan park. The problem, so I read in the little local newsletter, was resolved without police intervention when someone 'in the know' had a 'word' with the offending party and the motors were all recovered.
Jun 24th 2007 | 12:34 pm
#22
Still Learning
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 444
Re: son attacked
Ok this is hard for us and we never expecting this.
Saturday night we got a call saying our son is unconscious in our local town 5 mins away at 1.am we got dressed and was in town within 5 mins, our son had been hit by a foreign lad with what they call nunchuckers (Bruce lee stuff)
This lad had been removed from the pub by the bouncers. my son walked outside to get some air, as he walked outside the foreigner was hitting another lad with them and my son got hit aswell across the chest to which he went back inside to get help not much you can do against sticks on a chain. on coming back out the foreign lad had disappeared, our son got so worked up about this he complained to his friends of a pain in his chest they told him to see the medic parked outside he went outside sat in the medics car and then passed out lying on the floor. His mate called us and we was there within 5 minutes. Our son is 18 almost 19 and to see him lying on the floor not moving is the hardest thing ive ever had to deal with.. he had hyper ventilated and passed out although we did not know this at the time as we had cardiac and paramedics on the scene as well as an ambulance. you can imagine what is going on its so scary its untrue if i had the lad that did it he would have been a lot worse off than my son.
we got back from the hospital and put him to bed we struggled to get to sleep at 3.30am we heard a noise outside, i went outside and a car accident had happened the driver was thrown out from the car and lying in a pool of blood from his head the 2 passengers walked about calling friends on mobil phones i have never seen so much blood.
what a shit night we was having, The ambulance took them to hospital.
Ive just had news that they are all ok no serious injuries.
I thought it was going to be fatal.
what im trying to say is the 5 mins it took to get to town seemed like ages and this is the first negative thing ive come up against moving out what if we are in Brisbane and something happens its a bloody long way, im a tuff sod but when its your own it hurts bad.
I know its the right thing in moving away and wish and hope he changes his mind and comes with us. The police have released this other lad on bail can't understand why they have it all on film.
In 5 years of trying to get out this is the first time ive ever questioned what our plans are shit its scary, but then look at the justice system the police have no powers it feels like the working class Englishman is shafted again maybe im ranting but dam im mad, its a clean and cut case assault with a deadly weapon.
cant finish this yet as its ongoing police coming round tommorow and thats only because we phoned them and demanded to know what was happening.
thanks
sid
Saturday night we got a call saying our son is unconscious in our local town 5 mins away at 1.am we got dressed and was in town within 5 mins, our son had been hit by a foreign lad with what they call nunchuckers (Bruce lee stuff)
This lad had been removed from the pub by the bouncers. my son walked outside to get some air, as he walked outside the foreigner was hitting another lad with them and my son got hit aswell across the chest to which he went back inside to get help not much you can do against sticks on a chain. on coming back out the foreign lad had disappeared, our son got so worked up about this he complained to his friends of a pain in his chest they told him to see the medic parked outside he went outside sat in the medics car and then passed out lying on the floor. His mate called us and we was there within 5 minutes. Our son is 18 almost 19 and to see him lying on the floor not moving is the hardest thing ive ever had to deal with.. he had hyper ventilated and passed out although we did not know this at the time as we had cardiac and paramedics on the scene as well as an ambulance. you can imagine what is going on its so scary its untrue if i had the lad that did it he would have been a lot worse off than my son.
we got back from the hospital and put him to bed we struggled to get to sleep at 3.30am we heard a noise outside, i went outside and a car accident had happened the driver was thrown out from the car and lying in a pool of blood from his head the 2 passengers walked about calling friends on mobil phones i have never seen so much blood.
what a shit night we was having, The ambulance took them to hospital.
Ive just had news that they are all ok no serious injuries.
I thought it was going to be fatal.
what im trying to say is the 5 mins it took to get to town seemed like ages and this is the first negative thing ive come up against moving out what if we are in Brisbane and something happens its a bloody long way, im a tuff sod but when its your own it hurts bad.
I know its the right thing in moving away and wish and hope he changes his mind and comes with us. The police have released this other lad on bail can't understand why they have it all on film.
In 5 years of trying to get out this is the first time ive ever questioned what our plans are shit its scary, but then look at the justice system the police have no powers it feels like the working class Englishman is shafted again maybe im ranting but dam im mad, its a clean and cut case assault with a deadly weapon.
cant finish this yet as its ongoing police coming round tommorow and thats only because we phoned them and demanded to know what was happening.
thanks
sid
Until you experience it, you don't realise how bad it is. There is no safety on the streets of britain .Criminals rule and can get away with it.They know that.
My advice is to keep away from trouble. I want to leave Britain - I hope Australia is different - it probably isn't - but at least it is nowhere near the state of Britain.
Keep going with your plans for a new life. Your son will eventaully follow. you can't make him and he won't listen to you. That's the nature of children. You can no more help him by staying, but you can give him something else to think about by going.
Be brave, be strong and go! You deserve a new life. Something about 'let the ball go' and it will bounce back to you! Scary, I know.
I feel for you, I will pray for the right outcome. Pray for me too! Together we can make the good times come!
Karma
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Jun 24th 2007 | 12:46 pm
#23
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,421
From: Perth, WA :)
Re: son attacked
Keep going with your plans for a new life. Your son will eventaully follow. you can't make him and he won't listen to you. That's the nature of children. You can no more help him by staying, but you can give him something else to think about by going.
Be brave, be strong and go! You deserve a new life. Something about 'let the ball go' and it will bounce back to you! Scary, I know.
I feel for you, I will pray for the right outcome. Pray for me too! Together we can make the good times come!
Karma
x
Be brave, be strong and go! You deserve a new life. Something about 'let the ball go' and it will bounce back to you! Scary, I know.
I feel for you, I will pray for the right outcome. Pray for me too! Together we can make the good times come!
Karma
x
Jun 24th 2007 | 1:35 pm
#24
Proudly Deplorable
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 24,249
From: Alloha snack bar
Re: son attacked
You're right, it isn't. Crime levels here are similar to the UK. In some areas they are worse. Justice system is failing just like the UK. It's a problem that is not unique to Britain. Don't use crime as a reason to emigrate. You might end up being disappointed. Come for the pull of Australia and not for the perceived failings of the UK.
Jun 24th 2007 | 2:00 pm
#25
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,998
Re: son attacked
I hope your son is recovering well. However, I just want to point out that you keep referring to his attacker as "a foreigner". I do hope you realise that once you arrive in Australia it will be you who is the "foreigner"
Jun 24th 2007 | 2:32 pm
#26
Still Learning
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 444
Re: son attacked
You're right, it isn't. Crime levels here are similar to the UK. In some areas they are worse. Justice system is failing just like the UK. It's a problem that is not unique to Britain. Don't use crime as a reason to emigrate. You might end up being disappointed. Come for the pull of Australia and not for the perceived failings of the UK.
Once we battled for freedom and won it. - that is now dead. Technology has speeded up the process - we are workers in the field - unless you can entertain the Courts, either as a celebrity in any shape or form, make no bones, you will get hammered., it is already happening, they want to tag our children, they want to know your every move and financial detail, all under the guise of 'terrorism' and 'fraud'.
For so few who are guilty, the majority are sufferring - not without reason. They will soon have a database on all our lives.
We used to fear Russia - we are in a Russia.
Freedom has gone.
What other country gives you absolute equality ?
Note their downfall in the next century. I am not racist but I do think that you can't speed up a mix of cultures.
I may be wrong. And maybe it needs to happen, but don't be shocked by what happens.We have been priviledged for too long.
Soon we may need to fight again for what we believe is just.
Are you ready ?
Jun 24th 2007 | 3:11 pm
#27
Australia's Doorman
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From: The Shoalhaven, New South Wales, Australia
Re: son attacked
Jun 24th 2007 | 3:52 pm
#28
Still Learning
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Posts: 444
Re: son attacked
Thanks though for offering to hold my coat
Different time, different UK - I'll take my sword to you.
Jun 24th 2007 | 4:26 pm
#29
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From: Back home :)
Re: son attacked
Really sorry to hear about your son
Jun 24th 2007 | 7:46 pm
#30
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From: Springfield lakes, Brisbane
Re: son attacked
Thanks for all the replies and kind words.
You would think nothing had happened if you spoke to my son he just is not aware of the seriousness of what could have been, or what we went through saturday night.To hold your sons friend and ask him if my son is on drugs or has he taken anything is scary as you never know, im glad to say he is not into drugs.
I had to tell my son this lad is out on bail and in our town (which is more like a village with its market every saturday being the focal point of the week)
and to stay away from him and not to go after him. I dont want him with a criminal record or being hurt.
sure there is trouble in all walks of life but i do think England needs to sort its self out. the criminals or thugs do seem to have more rights than law abyding person
yes i used the word foreigner as i dont know if he is portugese polish or lithuanian we have a large influx of migrants in our town. Sure we could have another forum all about this subject of immigrants but thats not for me to start.
I am just trying to put across how upsetting it is when you 5 mins away let alone 24+ hours away. we will be flying out in December and hopefully he will follow. We will be putting money aside for flights back just in case something happens to close family. i Have read some very sad tales about not being able to get back and can now relate a little on this you never know whats round the corner.
Its a big step and its getting closer and so looking forward to it.
Thanks
Skeaty
You would think nothing had happened if you spoke to my son he just is not aware of the seriousness of what could have been, or what we went through saturday night.To hold your sons friend and ask him if my son is on drugs or has he taken anything is scary as you never know, im glad to say he is not into drugs.
I had to tell my son this lad is out on bail and in our town (which is more like a village with its market every saturday being the focal point of the week)
and to stay away from him and not to go after him. I dont want him with a criminal record or being hurt.
sure there is trouble in all walks of life but i do think England needs to sort its self out. the criminals or thugs do seem to have more rights than law abyding person
yes i used the word foreigner as i dont know if he is portugese polish or lithuanian we have a large influx of migrants in our town. Sure we could have another forum all about this subject of immigrants but thats not for me to start.
I am just trying to put across how upsetting it is when you 5 mins away let alone 24+ hours away. we will be flying out in December and hopefully he will follow. We will be putting money aside for flights back just in case something happens to close family. i Have read some very sad tales about not being able to get back and can now relate a little on this you never know whats round the corner.
Its a big step and its getting closer and so looking forward to it.
Thanks
Skeaty
