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Kelli28 Oct 7th 2010 2:30 pm

Re: Is this for real?
 

Originally Posted by overthemoon (Post 8903829)
I had a miscarriage & basically nothing came through so i had to get the tablets seem procedure as they use for abortions it was very traumatic & i know its something that i would hate to go through again so i couldn't either.

No I would like to think I wouldn't have a termination either, in fact I'd love a couple of babies maybe a set of twins! :ohmy:

Officer Dibble Oct 7th 2010 2:36 pm

Re: Is this for real?
 

Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 8903690)
I don't believe a woman has a right to murder her child, just because she wants to, or can.

Sorry.

Ooh, is that religion talking?

Cheetah7 Oct 7th 2010 3:03 pm

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What happens when contraception fails - and lets face it, it does and the woman really does not want to go through a pregnancy.

Do people have that right to make her, judge her and tell her what to do and should the state have the right to force her to carry the child.

Because although abortion isnt easy, the suggestion of giving the kid up for adoption is probably equally as tough.

asprilla Oct 7th 2010 3:42 pm

Re: Is this for real?
 

Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 8903690)
I don't believe a woman has a right to murder her child, just because she wants to, or can.

Sorry.

hmm.. I agree with you on this. But I would never say this in real life, for fear of being battered senseless by women who are very passionate about being in control of "their body".

As a man, this is a very taboo subject. Society (female society) expects men to be seen and not heard on this issue.

Geordie George Oct 7th 2010 4:14 pm

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Not sure I'd agree with that. Most women don't end up pregnant by immaculate conception. There's usually two parties involved.

Kelli28 Oct 7th 2010 4:16 pm

Re: Is this for real?
 

Originally Posted by asprilla (Post 8903896)
hmm.. I agree with you on this. But I would never say this in real life, for fear of being battered senseless by women who are very passionate about being in control of "their body".

As a man, this is a very taboo subject. Society (female society) expects men to be seen and not heard on this issue.

I'm very interested in male opinion on this topic. As you say men don't seem to have much of a say in what happens but it is still their child! If I look at it from a male perspective I would find it devastating if I wanted the child and the female had a termination.

Although if termination was refused to the mother I can't imagine many men becoming the sole parent.

Cheetah7 Oct 7th 2010 5:27 pm

Re: Is this for real?
 

Originally Posted by kelli28 (Post 8903926)
I'm very interested in male opinion on this topic. As you say men don't seem to have much of a say in what happens but it is still their child! If I look at it from a male perspective I would find it devastating if I wanted the child and the female had a termination.

Although if termination was refused to the mother I can't imagine many men becoming the sole parent.

If I was forced to carry a child against my will, and I mean really forced - would I look after myself in the same maternal loving way that is expected? I dont think so, in fact resentment would have a huge bearing on it.

James516 Oct 7th 2010 5:34 pm

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Originally Posted by kelli28 (Post 8903926)
I'm very interested in male opinion on this topic. As you say men don't seem to have much of a say in what happens but it is still their child! If I look at it from a male perspective I would find it devastating if I wanted the child and the female had a termination.

Although if termination was refused to the mother I can't imagine many men becoming the sole parent.

Yep, men have no say after conception either way - if they disagree about keeping the baby it doesn't matter. We have to take comfort in the increased wages, career prospects, electability and other benefits of being male ;)

With regards to Queensland, there is a defacto ban on abortions at the moment as no Ob/Gyns will perform them due to the uncertainty of the legal situation i.e. they are theoretically open to prosecution.

scottishcelts Oct 7th 2010 5:47 pm

Re: Is this for real?
 

Originally Posted by asprilla (Post 8903896)
hmm.. I agree with you on this. But I would never say this in real life, for fear of being battered senseless by women who are very passionate about being in control of "their body".

As a man, this is a very taboo subject. Society (female society) expects men to be seen and not heard on this issue.

Absolutely.

They don't seem to get the fact that they are taking away someone's right to a life, before they are even born. Just because a person isn't born, shouldn't mean it isn't murder. (IMO).

scottishcelts Oct 7th 2010 5:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Officer Dibble (Post 8903854)
Ooh, is that religion talking?

No, I'm not religious.

scottishcelts Oct 7th 2010 5:50 pm

Re: Is this for real?
 

Originally Posted by Professional Princess (Post 8904031)
If I was forced to carry a child against my will, and I mean really forced - would I look after myself in the same maternal loving way that is expected? I dont think so, in fact resentment would have a huge bearing on it.

Understandably, but it's the fact that there's a wee innocent life there, waiting to be born, and that wee innocent life didn't ask to be born.

elice_in_oz Oct 7th 2010 5:58 pm

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Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 8904062)
Understandably, but it's the fact that there's a wee innocent life there, waiting to be born, and that wee innocent life didn't ask to be born.

I agree with PP here. If it's a choice between having a child you REALLY don't want, and having an early (not talking about past 12 weeks) abortion, I believe women should have the choice. There are enough unhappy children in this world without bringing more whose parent/s is/are not able/willing to love them as they deserve to be.

I've thankfully never had to make that choice, but I know many women who did, and they did not make it lightly. I doubt the majority of women see it as a form of birth control.

Cheetah7 Oct 7th 2010 6:53 pm

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Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 8904062)
Understandably, but it's the fact that there's a wee innocent life there, waiting to be born, and that wee innocent life didn't ask to be born.

Its the women that are raped and in countries where abortion is illegal I feel sorry for, although its not the childs fault, its not the womans either and I cant imagine being raped, falling pregnant and then someone who knows nothing, forcing you to have a rapists kid.

I think I would go to utmost extreme lengths to do the job myself. How lucky we are to have choices.

Kapri Oct 7th 2010 7:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Professional Princess (Post 8904183)

I think I would go to utmost extreme lengths to do the job myself. How lucky we are to have choices.


I'm pro choice, within certain boundaries. In places where terminations are illegal, women often resort to back street abortionists which can result in infertility, infection and even death :(
I don't agree with late abortions though unless it's for medical reasons (i.e. mother's life at risk or baby has no chance of survival).

I've never had one myself but I wouldn't want to deny the choice to a desperate woman.

Wendy Oct 7th 2010 7:37 pm

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I've always sat on the fence with this one. I can see both sides of the argument.

I don't think you should be able to choose to have an abortion without first having gone through some sort of counciling or something though, regardless of whether it's planned, unplanned, rape or anything else.


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