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I read this article this morning about how they are trying to de-criminalise abortion in NSW and how one doctor was actually charged for performing an illegal abortion.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8101690

So do women 'state jump' if they want a termination? It has been said those opposed to changing the rules fear more abortions will be carried out but surely you can't force a woman to go through a pregnancy and at the end of the day, everyones situation is personal to them.

I never knew it was illegal there, imagine having to make that hard decision and then be made to feel like a criminal into the bargain, I guess the government think that by not allowing it, people won't do it.

Very sad situation when the State can rule what happens to a womans body.

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Illegal in QLD too, was pretty surprised when I found out. I believe it's a woman's right to decide what happens to her body!

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It's even worse in Qld. They are prosecuting a woman who had an abortion, let alone the doctor.

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That is prehistoric, backward and beggars belief.:frown:

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I think that it's as illegal as it is elsewhere. Plenty of women get abortions in NSW, but they have to fulfill the same criteria.. that being that the welfare of the mother is at risk, or her mental state etc... and that more than one doctor sign off on this... which then makes it legal...

AFAIK, this used to be the case in the UK too.

This website looks like it's fairly up to date:
http://www.childrenbychoice.org.au/nwww/auslawprac.htm

Seems to be 'illegal' everywhere but ACT, but its still performed. And yes, women do state jump to ACT if their termination is refused.

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I was utterly shocked when I found out too. But apparently abortions aren't always illegal, you can have them if the doctor agrees the pregnancy will be detrimental to your health or wellbeing. So I guess there's room for manoeuvre there.

But I agree, every person has the right to decide for themselves, not the government.

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I don't believe a woman has a right to murder her child, just because she wants to, or can.

Sorry.

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Don't apologise for your opinion. :)

It would be boring if everyone thought the same thing. :)

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Illegal in WA too unless certain criteria are fulfilled. I don't disagree with that. While I do believe in a woman's right to choice I do not agree with a woman's choice to use abortion as a form of birth control. Having limits and restrictions (IMO) on abortion does not take anything away from a woman who needs one.

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What if the pregnancy was due to a rape? At the end of the day it's the Dr who makes the decision if the termination is carried out and they have the option to say no.

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Yes there should be controls in place like in the UK, being denied treatment can lead to people trying to induce terminations themselves.

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What she said. Everyone has a right to an opinion SC.

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There are termination clinics in bris, gold coast, north qld etc and with 2 doctors consent, terminations are carried out daily.

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God forbid if I was raped and some doctor refused me a termination, I would do my utmost to do it myself.

Jesus christ that is barbaric.

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Thankfully you live in a country where you would not be refused. Terminations are performed here in WA every day. For any number of reasons, including rape.

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I'm with ScottishCelts on this one and have been since I was a teenager.

However, I believe that if it was rape, common sense should prevail.

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What they all said.

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What if the woman / girl involved did not want to disclose the fact that they had been raped?

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I think abortion is a personal choice, disagree with it being used as a form of contraception as you do get women who have a multiple abortions that just wrong!

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So it's not illegal in Qld as others on here have stated?

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Like I said, abortions are performed here every day for any number of reasons. Rape being just one of them.

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Yes there has to be an element of choice in deciding if your going to have a child or not.

Regular birth control methods do and will fail. I mean if your just in a casual relationship and your birth control fails do we just have to accept we are going to be single parent's?

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Abortion in all states is only legal in certain circumstances. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortio...egal_situation

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yeah they do but i know someone thats had 3 abortions surely you would be extra careful after the first time??

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Is that in Australia or the UK? There should be controls in place if after having three abortions the person in question really should consider a tubal tie.

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I could never have an abortion but I would never want to stop anyone else from having a choice.I have no idea what some people go through to make that choice all I know is in most cases it must be a very stressful decision and not made lightly.Sue.

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The UK she's not a friend of mine but has a bit of a reputation if you know what i mean & inst shy on telling people she's had abortions, I agree like i said it should never be used as a contraception if she wants to sleep around her choice but you think she would be carefully not just pregnacy STD'S also!

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I had a miscarriage & basically nothing came through so i had to get the tablets seem procedure as they use for abortions it was very traumatic & i know its something that i would hate to go through again so i couldn't either.

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So sorry.Sue.

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thank you it was a long time ago & i have 2 gorgeous daughters now so its all good xx

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No I would like to think I wouldn't have a termination either, in fact I'd love a couple of babies maybe a set of twins! :ohmy:

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Ooh, is that religion talking?

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What happens when contraception fails - and lets face it, it does and the woman really does not want to go through a pregnancy.

Do people have that right to make her, judge her and tell her what to do and should the state have the right to force her to carry the child.

Because although abortion isnt easy, the suggestion of giving the kid up for adoption is probably equally as tough.

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hmm.. I agree with you on this. But I would never say this in real life, for fear of being battered senseless by women who are very passionate about being in control of "their body".

As a man, this is a very taboo subject. Society (female society) expects men to be seen and not heard on this issue.

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Not sure I'd agree with that. Most women don't end up pregnant by immaculate conception. There's usually two parties involved.

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I'm very interested in male opinion on this topic. As you say men don't seem to have much of a say in what happens but it is still their child! If I look at it from a male perspective I would find it devastating if I wanted the child and the female had a termination.

Although if termination was refused to the mother I can't imagine many men becoming the sole parent.

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If I was forced to carry a child against my will, and I mean really forced - would I look after myself in the same maternal loving way that is expected? I dont think so, in fact resentment would have a huge bearing on it.

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Yep, men have no say after conception either way - if they disagree about keeping the baby it doesn't matter. We have to take comfort in the increased wages, career prospects, electability and other benefits of being male ;)

With regards to Queensland, there is a defacto ban on abortions at the moment as no Ob/Gyns will perform them due to the uncertainty of the legal situation i.e. they are theoretically open to prosecution.

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Absolutely.

They don't seem to get the fact that they are taking away someone's right to a life, before they are even born. Just because a person isn't born, shouldn't mean it isn't murder. (IMO).

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No, I'm not religious.