Pistorius. Guilty or not?
#295
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The reality is that it is at least manslaughter.
It's your home....
I understand that the onus is more on the defence to convince their version of reasonable belief than it is on the prosecution to convince theirs
But nice to see that you're beginning to harmonise your opinions with mine
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...h-african-law/
But nice to see that you're beginning to harmonise your opinions with mine

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...h-african-law/
He'll almost certainly either get a form of manslaughter but ludicrously other people in the US and SA have been successful in relying on a castle defence...unlikely in this case. When people have shot in self defence it's normally face to face with an intruder.
#296
Not quite what I meant. If one kills someone, imo obviously, they have, in simple terms, become a murderer regardless of intent. Someone found guilty of manslaughter doesn't get described as a manslaughterer, they get described as a murderer.
#297
Killing in self defense; especially in your own home, in places like the US and probably South Africa is often a defense: people have got off in the Uk I believe too. I think it's based on common law.
If you feel threatened then you can shoot. Then if you feel you have nullified the threat you might want to gain access...
It's your home....
That quote talks about what a reasonable person would have done which is a test used in criminal justice systems, as I have said.
He'll almost certainly either get a form of manslaughter but ludicrously other people in the US and SA have been successful in relying on a castle defence...unlikely in this case. When people have shot in self defence it's normally face to face with an intruder.
If you feel threatened then you can shoot. Then if you feel you have nullified the threat you might want to gain access...
It's your home....
That quote talks about what a reasonable person would have done which is a test used in criminal justice systems, as I have said.
He'll almost certainly either get a form of manslaughter but ludicrously other people in the US and SA have been successful in relying on a castle defence...unlikely in this case. When people have shot in self defence it's normally face to face with an intruder.
He's a world-class athlete. He's used to managing stress, and being in very stressful situations. He's used to guns, and being around and firing them. The reasonable test suggests (but doesn't prove) that he knew exactly what he was doing.
#300
Whether or not he knew it was his girlfriend behind the door is largely a red herring. He went armed, and knew that he was a reasonable distance from a locked door, and therefore safe - shooting through the door was murder no matter what.
Should have gone with the 'roid rage defence - he'd have had more chance of making it stick.




