Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

There are more sexually abused adults around then you care to imagine. I would hazard a guess that most of us on here who are over the age of 30 have several in their group of friends. It was more prevalent years ago than anyone could imagine. Children were not believed, it was brushed under the carpet etc etc.

IMO children are a lot safer now than they have ever been - they are told about child molesters, they are not allowed out on their own as much, they are believed and something is done about it.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

I realise this is a paedophile thats been deported. However Australian law is that any person that is not a Australian passport holder and commits a crime that results in more than 5 years in jail is supposed to be deported to their country of origin.

I can understand this law from the point of view of someone coming here, and within a few months or even 4 or 5 years and holding up a bank, or dealing in drugs, or even a paedophile and copping their just deserts. They were probably predisposed to that behaviour before they came here. I dont have a problem with relatively new arrivals getting deported.

However after a certain amount of time, say 15 - 20 years most people take on Australian traits. In those cases if one commits a serious crime, they are getting a double dose of punishment compared to Australian citizens that commit the same crime. Most people would say good, However bear in mind, if someone is a real hardnosed proffessional armed robber, they may well take out Aussie citizenship so as to avoid the double punishment.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

Well said. If you can't be arsed or won't make the pledge to Australia as a country and become a citizen with civic responsibilities and rights, why in hell should Australia assist you.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

I think others have said enough in response to this post. Suffice to say that my point was that at 5, yes he was forcibly taken.

(Unless of course you believe that at the age of 5 you can apply for a passport, a visa and make a conscious decision to move to Australia)

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

And no doubt somebody could argue that Australian society influenced his desire to commit crimes against children. He certainly wasn't doing it when he lived in the UK.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

Are you being deliberately obstreperous?

I never said that the parents were forced to move. I said that he was forced to move.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

Apologies, ment no offence (but in hinsight it was).

I just really annoyed with some views expressed in this thread and rather than saying nothing (which is what I should have done) I made a cheap shot.

Personally I think these individuals are Australia's problem due to the situations and upbringing they have had - they have been "Australians" in all but citizenship. Had they arrived 2 years ago then deport.

As for the Bulger killers, atrocious as the case was, they were children themselves, do they do not deserve another chance? Wherever that is or under what identites? (Of course only if safe to do so) I know many think not, but I do.

Anyway apologies for my comment.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

Not quite sure how he was or was not being "assisted"?

(The guy has broken the law, he's served his time and has been released. The punishment - I think according to the justice system - is over.)

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

Totaly agree with you and Vash :D

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

So those Parents who took their own children on the £10 ticket to Oz did so by shackling them to bunk beds and slapping their backsides if they misbehaved on the journey?:blink:

My point is that 5 year olds weren't forcibly taken. Are they seeking recompense from the British Government?

You expect someone to argue that Australia society influenced him? - this isn't about nature / nurture - its about a pervert who forcibly takes children and then sexually molests them and prefers to do this evil without being forcibly told to become an Australian citizen.

I just think this issue of you using the word force/forcibly has been taken way out of context. Hope that makes sense.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

The more educated comments in the media have suggested that the paedophile is more likely to reoffend in the UK where he is totally unknown and in a completely unfamiliar environment and more likely to get away with a crime. Any decision should be on child protection grounds and not on the usual "I'm arder than u on crime" politics.

The suggestion the paedophile came here willingly is laughable. What 5 year old has a choice in their parents migration decisions? Australia should learn to deal with its own problems rather than export them.

Hopefully someone will come up with something to prevent paedophiles reoffending rather than the usual woolies versus wannabe George Bush wip em and hangem tired old arguments.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

Yep I'd cut his balls off and tag the Eunuch in his neck like a dog.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

Maybe "without consent" would have been a better choice.

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

I am sure that if he petitions the government like that other recent evictee (was he Czech or something) who was in a similar position - they will allow him back again and offer him permanent residence just like the other chap. Oh yes, I forgot, he is British so they wont be bothered with him!

Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
 

Whilst I don't agree that someone living in Australia for 56 years, is deported back to the UK because that's where they came from, I can understand that AUstralia don't want him either.......however we don't either, so my opinion is that they should bring back corporal punishment for offenders like this........anyway going to leave it there cos not going to get caught in some political debate!

Ems x