Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
Mar 21st 2008, 9:44 am
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Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
A serial paedophile who was deported from an Australian prison back to Britain yesterday will have to sign the sex offenders register and tell the authorities where he is living, the Home Office has said.
Raymond Horne, 61, was detained by police on arrival at Heathrow amid claims - stirred up by tabloid headlines - that he posed a severe danger to the community.
The state minister for police and corrective services in Queensland, Judy Spence, told a radio station on his departure that the state was "well rid" of him.
"He is a paedophile," she said. "He was convicted of indecent dealing against a boy under 14 years of age. If he had stayed in Queensland, we would have regarded him as someone we would have wanted to watch for the next 15 years under very close supervision."
Having emigrated from the UK at the age of five, Horne has been sent back because he never applied for Australian citizenship. But he has no immediate social or family support network in the UK. According to campaign groups working with victims of abuse, that will increase the likelihood of his reoffending.
A British child protection expert agreed that Horne's isolation in the UK might make him more likely to offend.
Paul Roffey, a director of RWA Child Protection Service, an independent agency, said: "He has already been identified as somebody who is high-risk. This is a situation that could only exacerbate that risk."
But the Home Office insisted Horne would be put on the sex offenders register and could be the subject of a sexual offences prevention order (Sopo), which can impose restrictions on, for example, how closely he can approach a school.
Australia dumping criminals in the UK? Poetic justice, surely.
Mar 21st 2008, 9:52 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
A serial paedophile who was deported from an Australian prison back to Britain yesterday will have to sign the sex offenders register and tell the authorities where he is living, the Home Office has said.
Raymond Horne, 61, was detained by police on arrival at Heathrow amid claims - stirred up by tabloid headlines - that he posed a severe danger to the community.
The state minister for police and corrective services in Queensland, Judy Spence, told a radio station on his departure that the state was "well rid" of him.
"He is a paedophile," she said. "He was convicted of indecent dealing against a boy under 14 years of age. If he had stayed in Queensland, we would have regarded him as someone we would have wanted to watch for the next 15 years under very close supervision."
Having emigrated from the UK at the age of five, Horne has been sent back because he never applied for Australian citizenship. But he has no immediate social or family support network in the UK. According to campaign groups working with victims of abuse, that will increase the likelihood of his reoffending.
A British child protection expert agreed that Horne's isolation in the UK might make him more likely to offend.
Paul Roffey, a director of RWA Child Protection Service, an independent agency, said: "He has already been identified as somebody who is high-risk. This is a situation that could only exacerbate that risk."
But the Home Office insisted Horne would be put on the sex offenders register and could be the subject of a sexual offences prevention order (Sopo), which can impose restrictions on, for example, how closely he can approach a school.
Australia dumping criminals in the UK? Poetic justice, surely.
Only my opinion, but,
at least the population of the UK is aware that he's there. It was on the news in Australia and the UK that he had been escorted to Brisbane airport for a flight to the UK, and on the BBC news site that he had arrived at Heathrow.
The "rumour" that the two boys who killed Jamie Bulger have been given new identities and lives here in Australia is more of a worry to me.
Surely, given media photographs, the majority of people in the UK are aware of what Raymond Horne looks like, while we in Australia, unfortunately, are completely unaware of what Jamie's murderers look like, do for a living, or where they live in the world let alone that they may be our neighbours, or in a position where they may come into contact with our children.
It is indeed poetic justice that Australia is "repatriating" UK born criminals to the UK. Have to add here that I don't believe that many of the original "criminals" who were sent here had been guilty of heinous crime.
Apologies if I've caused offence to anyone, just my take on things.
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Mar 21st 2008, 10:17 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
If they chose to emigrate they would need to qualify for it like everyone else.
Mar 21st 2008, 10:27 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
A serial paedophile who was deported from an Australian prison back to Britain yesterday will have to sign the sex offenders register and tell the authorities where he is living, the Home Office has said.
Raymond Horne, 61, was detained by police on arrival at Heathrow amid claims - stirred up by tabloid headlines - that he posed a severe danger to the community.
The state minister for police and corrective services in Queensland, Judy Spence, told a radio station on his departure that the state was "well rid" of him.
"He is a paedophile," she said. "He was convicted of indecent dealing against a boy under 14 years of age. If he had stayed in Queensland, we would have regarded him as someone we would have wanted to watch for the next 15 years under very close supervision."
Having emigrated from the UK at the age of five, Horne has been sent back because he never applied for Australian citizenship. But he has no immediate social or family support network in the UK. According to campaign groups working with victims of abuse, that will increase the likelihood of his reoffending.
A British child protection expert agreed that Horne's isolation in the UK might make him more likely to offend.
Paul Roffey, a director of RWA Child Protection Service, an independent agency, said: "He has already been identified as somebody who is high-risk. This is a situation that could only exacerbate that risk."
But the Home Office insisted Horne would be put on the sex offenders register and could be the subject of a sexual offences prevention order (Sopo), which can impose restrictions on, for example, how closely he can approach a school.
Australia dumping criminals in the UK? Poetic justice, surely.
And your last remark gets my thumbs down.
Mar 21st 2008, 10:34 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
The two boys from the Bulger case are NOT in Australia. The rumour is an email scam with a false petition which does the rounds every so often and has been deleted from here more times than I care to remember.
If they chose to emigrate they would need to qualify for it like everyone else.
If they chose to emigrate they would need to qualify for it like everyone else.
Sorry if I've offended you.
I've never seen an email re the two boys from the Bulger case, only heard rumours.
I did not say that they ARE HERE. I said that the rumour that they were here was more of a worry to me than the public "repatriating" of Raymond Horne.
Again, sincere apologies if I've offended you.
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Mar 21st 2008, 10:42 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
The two boys from the Bulger case are NOT in Australia. The rumour is an email scam with a false petition which does the rounds every so often and has been deleted from here more times than I care to remember.
If they chose to emigrate they would need to qualify for it like everyone else.
If they chose to emigrate they would need to qualify for it like everyone else.
Its plausible Polly and with new ID's they could well be here.
As for the Paedophile going back to his birth country and the high risk I hope his days are numbered, I make no apology, thats how I feel.:curse:
Mar 21st 2008, 10:58 am
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No democratic government would risk letting two child murderers live in their country with the risk of it ever being discovered. There is just way to many ways for that information to leak out.
The media for one, know where they live, but are gagged by a UK gagging order. That doesn't apply for Australia. If either of them were here, we'd know.
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Mar 21st 2008, 10:59 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
The email Machiavelli refers to is a well-known scam and has no basis in fact. When it was originally issued the British and Australian Govts refuted its claims as a scam.
By all means continue discussing this recent case but leave the rumours and inniuendo out of it.
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Machiavelli, don't worry, I just don't want to spend the evening deleting it again - especially as it's arrived in my own inbox three times this week.
Mar 21st 2008, 11:09 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
[QUOTE=Machiavelli;6092554]Only my opinion, but,
Surely, given media photographs, the majority of people in the UK are aware of what Raymond Horne looks like,
Great pic of him on the front of todays Daily Mail - head covered with a jacket, so I for one have no idea what he looks like.
Lynn xx
Surely, given media photographs, the majority of people in the UK are aware of what Raymond Horne looks like,
Great pic of him on the front of todays Daily Mail - head covered with a jacket, so I for one have no idea what he looks like.
Lynn xx
Mar 21st 2008, 11:16 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
A paedophile has been booted out of my country and sent back to where he belongs.
Paedophile arrested; deported; will now be monitored by the police. None of these are good things?
I can live with it.
I can't see one positive thing in this situation.
And your last remark gets my thumbs down.
Mar 21st 2008, 11:20 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
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Then maybe you should have looked at the front page of the BBC website, or the front page of the Sun.
Google "Raymond Horne"
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Google "Raymond Horne"
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Mar 21st 2008, 11:33 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
A serial paedophile who was deported from an Australian prison back to Britain yesterday will have to sign the sex offenders register and tell the authorities where he is living, the Home Office has said.
Raymond Horne, 61, was detained by police on arrival at Heathrow amid claims - stirred up by tabloid headlines - that he posed a severe danger to the community.
The state minister for police and corrective services in Queensland, Judy Spence, told a radio station on his departure that the state was "well rid" of him.
"He is a paedophile," she said. "He was convicted of indecent dealing against a boy under 14 years of age. If he had stayed in Queensland, we would have regarded him as someone we would have wanted to watch for the next 15 years under very close supervision."
Having emigrated from the UK at the age of five, Horne has been sent back because he never applied for Australian citizenship. But he has no immediate social or family support network in the UK. According to campaign groups working with victims of abuse, that will increase the likelihood of his reoffending.
A British child protection expert agreed that Horne's isolation in the UK might make him more likely to offend.
Paul Roffey, a director of RWA Child Protection Service, an independent agency, said: "He has already been identified as somebody who is high-risk. This is a situation that could only exacerbate that risk."
But the Home Office insisted Horne would be put on the sex offenders register and could be the subject of a sexual offences prevention order (Sopo), which can impose restrictions on, for example, how closely he can approach a school.
Australia dumping criminals in the UK? Poetic justice, surely.
Mar 21st 2008, 11:39 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
Another forum memer has just reminded me that this guy isn't the only Pommy paedophile Australia has returned to the arms of his mother country.
Robert Excell was deported in 2005. He had been in and out of prison repeatedly, adding up to a total of 37 years behind bars.
In 2006, the British government decided it was time to let him live within the community, albeit under strict supervision. To my mind, this is a travesty of justice.
I feel particularly strongly about this case, because one of his victims was a personal friend of mine.
Robert Excell was deported in 2005. He had been in and out of prison repeatedly, adding up to a total of 37 years behind bars.
In 2006, the British government decided it was time to let him live within the community, albeit under strict supervision. To my mind, this is a travesty of justice.
I feel particularly strongly about this case, because one of his victims was a personal friend of mine.
Mar 21st 2008, 11:40 am
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Re: Paedophile who lived in Australia for 56 years sent to UK
Sorry if I've offended you.
I've never seen an email re the two boys from the Bulger case, only heard rumours.
I did not say that they ARE HERE. I said that the rumour that they were here was more of a worry to me than the public "repatriating" of Raymond Horne.
Again, sincere apologies if I've offended you.
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I've never seen an email re the two boys from the Bulger case, only heard rumours.
I did not say that they ARE HERE. I said that the rumour that they were here was more of a worry to me than the public "repatriating" of Raymond Horne.
Again, sincere apologies if I've offended you.
M
I worked for the police at the time. I don't intend to say more than that.
The email Machiavelli refers to is a well-known scam and has no basis in fact. When it was originally issued the British and Australian Govts refuted its claims as a scam.
By all means continue discussing this recent case but leave the rumours and inniuendo out of it.
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Machiavelli, don't worry, I just don't want to spend the evening deleting it again - especially as it's arrived in my own inbox three times this week.
The email Machiavelli refers to is a well-known scam and has no basis in fact. When it was originally issued the British and Australian Govts refuted its claims as a scam.
By all means continue discussing this recent case but leave the rumours and inniuendo out of it.
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Machiavelli, don't worry, I just don't want to spend the evening deleting it again - especially as it's arrived in my own inbox three times this week.
Hello Pollyanna,
I am not referring to an email. I have never said that I was referring to an email.
I am getting bored of repeating myself... I have heard a "rumour".
With all due respect, when you said that you were working for the police at the time, were you in a position where you had to be "kept in the loop" as to what was happening with these two boys? Were you in a position where you had "input" as to what could/would be done with them after they admitted what they had done and during their incarceration and "rehabilitation"?
During my career I have worked in many sensitive areas in various organisations, I was always aware that although I was in a "trusted" position that there were things going on that I had no knowledge or control of.
It is my belief that if you, in fact, had any first hand knowledge of the Bulger case that you would have had to sign a declaration that you would not discuss the case in any way, ever.
I have never said that those two boys are here. I have only said that it worried me that they may be here.
I firmly believe that it is my given right to worry about things that may happen that may affect my children or any children.
M