Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9244542)

Thirty trillion times more? More people die mining coal than what? Uranium, or at nuclear power plants? Do we really know the long-term health risks associated with nuclear power generation, including the 'disposal' of waste?

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 9244618)

okay that number may be made up, but number of deaths are a lot less....China has about 20K mining deaths a year, else where it's around 5K a year.

So even in a nuclear meltdown, worse case scenario, all at once, fewer people die from them. Disposal of waste, well it depends on the country, places like Japan, US etc, pretty safe, places like India, I might be a little more worried because of the political instability.

Also, Chernobyl, once you get past the hysteria of it all, only 50 deaths were actually attributed to the plant melting down.

Originally Posted by Vegemite Kids (Post 9243647)

how on earth did you come to that conclusion?

If you're talking about my posts; I said the tie-on facemasks that arent air tight aren't any good. OK, I admit I never mentioned any other type, just assumed everyone would know that other masks that are properly fitted (ie airtight face seal) and have the proper filter cartridges attached do work. My bad. I will be more specific in future. But for the record here on this thread - if you are ever in a nuclear incident please do use a face mask but use the proper one.

Also Rambi please go back and read my post about the iodine tablets. I was talking about people in north america ingesting tablets today. Again my bad for not being more specific that for people currently living in Japan next to the exclusion zone, KI tablets are a good thing.

Nobody in North America is puking their guts up. Well actually probably many are ;):rofl: but not because of radiation sickness from Fukushima :)

Originally Posted by Vegemite Kids (Post 9241280)

Oh and if you ever get caught in a nuclear event.... dont bother with those paper face masks / surgical masks you see people wearing; they do sweet F%$& all, apart from make people that dont know any better feel safer and calm down the panickers.

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 9244501)

Burning coal releases a lot of nasties, causes more cancer and radiation than a nuke plant....also lots more people die regularly, every year mining coal...plus they blow up too.

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9244648)

It would be interesting to see the figures on that. And I'm not sure how useful it is. It's like saying swimming with crocodiles is more dangerous than swimming with sharks.

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9244648)

It would be interesting to see the figures on that. And I'm not sure how useful it is. It's like saying swimming with crocodiles is more dangerous than swimming with sharks.

Originally Posted by bcworld (Post 9242709)

It doesn't mean they're well informed though does it?

People think all sorts of things.

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9244627)

Hysteria? You don't think the death of anyone outside the Chernobyl plant could be attributed to the accident?

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 9244828)

that's including those people...

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9244850)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_...nobyl_disaster

lists 70 killed or severely injured, however even the 2005 report by the International Atomic Energy Agency, the World Health Organization, and the United Nations Development Program estimated 4,000 deaths— "a figure that has often been criticized as being far too low and influenced by the IAEA’s pro-nuclear agenda."

http://www.utne.com/Wild-Green/Chern...lion-7272.aspx

While the true figure probably lies somewhere between the two above, I think you're being very disingenuous to count only the immediate death toll and also disregard serious health problems.

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 9244868)

And even if you look at the doom and gloom figures, they're still lower than the number of deaths and illnesses related for coal powered plants.

Originally Posted by JustBecause (Post 9244870)

Yes, & in a single year The figures speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 9244873)

Can you show them please.

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 9244889)

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=ht...human-toll.pdf

http://frankwarner.typepad.com/free_...l_mining_.html

There are probably much clearer and less biased sources, but literally hundreds pop up when you google.